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Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
say i was waiting in dec on company 1 and company 2 for offers

and say co 2 was like we cant hire you at this time, so you took company 1's offer, though i believe i liked co 2 slightly better

then out of nowhere in early february co 3 (aka that big company in mv california) is like interview with us, and at the same time co 2 says to me ok you can have an offer...

so now you have a deadline to accept or reject co 2's offer this week (already asked for extra time, am seeing if i can get some more) , but co 3 isnt gonna get back till end of the month...

i would drop both others in a minute to get to company 3, and i think i like 2 > 1 a bit but still need to figure that out for sure soon

so

given this dilemma, what can be done

also noting that i never signed a binding contract with co 1, just a thing that said i'd have to give back my signing bonus if i didn't complete a year with them, but i did accept the offer quite clearly

also noting that i got my interview for co 1 & 2 through my career services center at school and, well,
their website says: "Any candidate who withdraws an acceptance (i.e., reneges on an offer), after initially accepting an employment offer obtained through the recruiting program, will immediately lose all [school's job listing/recruiting program] access."


what the fuck should/can i even do

suck it up? work at the place that i accepted a job offer at because it was my only option at the time?

or can i do anything else?

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  • TejsTejs Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Without knowing any of the details, I can only say this:

    1) Since you signed with company A, they paid you a signing bonus. Did you spend this signing bonus? Would you be able to pay it back if you left before one year was up?

    2) How confident are you that Company C (the big one) would offer you a job? How confident are you that your current employment will last VS company C or B?

    3) How do you think jumping from job to job would do for your resume? Think about justifying this period to a potential employer five years down the line. They might think you won't be too loyal to them if you're willing to jump ship very quickly.

    Only you can really make this decision though.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    shaz, you're making this more difficult that it needs to be

    unlike so many people out there right now you already have a job, and besides having to give back the signing bonus you will probably lose a certain level of respect in that industry if you back out on them now (yes, people do have these sort of conversations at industry get-togethers and HR people have a long memory)

    my suggestion is to stick with the job you already have, work there for at least a year to get some experience and business contacts (and not lose your bonus or access to your school's career center), and if you don't like it then move on to some other place

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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Man, no advice here, just a question - what did you go to school for that you get 2 offers and a signing bonus, plus another promising interview, right out of the gate?

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Usagi, you know I know you are right...
    ... Yeah. But I figured asking wouldn't hurt.

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Work the year. It's the best option and another position at the third job may open up later.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    might i ask this question:

    so i've been telling company 2 that i've been interested, and have been asking for decision deadlines, and talking to people there...

    what's the best way for me to decline them while still expressing my interest in case i wish to apply there in a few years say... i assume i shouldn't tell them the truth of my situation or no? would there be harm in honesty

    is annoying that i likely ought to pass on this opportunity when if co 2 had just gotten back to me sooner when they originally planned to i would have gone there and have no problems

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  • ThrillaGorillaThrillaGorilla Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I would just go in there and be honest with them. You would like to work for their company, but you have made a commitment to company 1 already, and you would like to live up to your word. I would be very gracious about thanking them for their time, do things like email thank yous to all of the contacts you made there. This will hopefully keep you in their good graces and at the back of their minds should your situation change.

    In the mean time I would do your best at making the most of the opportunity you have in front of you. If nothing else you can use this year to develop contacts within both companies and be that much more prepared if you decide to jump ship in the future. You are only a year into your career, focus on developing your foundation right now, there will be plenty of opportunities to make changes in your future.

    To DZ: I have no idea what Shaz does for a living, but if you want to better your odds look into a degree involving math or science, do at least two internships while in college and it should be no problem getting multiple offers out of college. I was able to get five offers out of college with a less than respectable gpr because it's an engineering degree and I interned with relevant employers. You just gotta set yourself up for success early on in college.

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  • acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I would just go in there and be honest with them. You would like to work for their company, but you have made a commitment to company 1 already, and you would like to live up to your word. I would be very gracious about thanking them for their time, do things like email thank yous to all of the contacts you made there. This will hopefully keep you in their good graces and at the back of their minds should your situation change.

    In the mean time I would do your best at making the most of the opportunity you have in front of you. If nothing else you can use this year to develop contacts within both companies and be that much more prepared if you decide to jump ship in the future. You are only a year into your career, focus on developing your foundation right now, there will be plenty of opportunities to make changes in your future.

    To DZ: I have no idea what Shaz does for a living, but if you want to better your odds look into a degree involving math or science, do at least two internships while in college and it should be no problem getting multiple offers out of college. I was able to get five offers out of college with a less than respectable gpr because it's an engineering degree and I interned with relevant employers. You just gotta set yourself up for success early on in college.

    This.

    It tells them that you're mature and you stick to your commitments, and they'll more than likely dog-ear your resumé for future reference. Also any time they might need a pinch hire they'll go through past resumés and give dog-ear'd ones priority.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    is it ok to do that even though initially i kind of said i would be willing to consider the offer? wouldn't that imply i was being a tad dishonest earlier?

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  • TejsTejs Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    is it ok to do that even though initially i kind of said i would be willing to consider the offer? wouldn't that imply i was being a tad dishonest earlier?

    Negative. As long as you phrase it right like "I took a lot of time to consider your offer, but in the end, I feel I would be doing a disservice to company A by backing out of the commitment I made to them. Your offer was very tempting though, and I hope you keep my resume on file for the future."

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ok, thank you all

    Tough decision to make for me but I believe it is the right one

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    People go back on offer acceptances all the time. Especially Computer Science grads who are getting interest from top-tier companies (congrats). Google also has kind of a reputation of wanting to interview people only after they have interviewed at other top tier companies, so I'm not surprised they only got to you after the other guys did. Other than giving back your signing bonus (lucky bastard), you have no legal commitment to Company 1. Think of it this way: They definitely do not think of themselves having a 'commitment' to you. If they have a bad year and need to lay people off, their commitments to employees will disappear pretty quickly. Especially new employees with no seniority like yourself. Never let anyone or anything guilt you into taking or staying at a job.

    If company 3 gives you an offer that you like more than company 1, you should feel free to take it and say "I'm sorry" to company 1. Pissing off a hiring manager and maybe losing access to a college recruiting network that is probably not much use after your first or second job is worth it when you are considering that this is going to affect your life for years to come.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Smurph wrote: »
    People go back on offer acceptances all the time. Especially Computer Science grads who are getting interest from top-tier companies (congrats). Google also has kind of a reputation of wanting to interview people only after they have interviewed at other top tier companies, so I'm not surprised they only got to you after the other guys did. Other than giving back your signing bonus (lucky bastard), you have no legal commitment to Company 1. Think of it this way: They definitely do not think of themselves having a 'commitment' to you. If they have a bad year and need to lay people off, their commitments to employees will disappear pretty quickly. Especially new employees with no seniority like yourself. Never let anyone or anything guilt you into taking or staying at a job.

    If company 3 gives you an offer that you like more than company 1, you should feel free to take it and say "I'm sorry" to company 1. Pissing off a hiring manager and maybe losing access to a college recruiting network that is probably not much use after your first or second job is worth it when you are considering that this is going to affect your life for years to come.

    I've also heard this many times. And to be honest I like company 2 more than company 1, and the location (nyc vs princeton) more, but I don't know if that's worth the whole going back on the acceptance thing. -sigh- I know you said it doesn't really mean anything but... yeah...

    What I especially do not want is to go back on 2 offers. So the plan is stick with what I have for now, let company 2 go (trying to have them keep in touch for future), and if co 3 gives me a job say fuck it and peace to California.

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Smurph wrote: »
    People go back on offer acceptances all the time. Especially Computer Science grads who are getting interest from top-tier companies (congrats). Google also has kind of a reputation of wanting to interview people only after they have interviewed at other top tier companies, so I'm not surprised they only got to you after the other guys did. Other than giving back your signing bonus (lucky bastard), you have no legal commitment to Company 1. Think of it this way: They definitely do not think of themselves having a 'commitment' to you. If they have a bad year and need to lay people off, their commitments to employees will disappear pretty quickly. Especially new employees with no seniority like yourself. Never let anyone or anything guilt you into taking or staying at a job.

    If company 3 gives you an offer that you like more than company 1, you should feel free to take it and say "I'm sorry" to company 1. Pissing off a hiring manager and maybe losing access to a college recruiting network that is probably not much use after your first or second job is worth it when you are considering that this is going to affect your life for years to come.

    I've also heard this many times. And to be honest I like company 2 more than company 1, and the location (nyc vs princeton) more, but I don't know if that's worth the whole going back on the acceptance thing. -sigh- I know you said it doesn't really mean anything but... yeah...

    What I especially do not want is to go back on 2 offers. So the plan is stick with what I have for now, let company 2 go (trying to have them keep in touch for future), and if co 3 gives me a job say fuck it and peace to California.

    I understand, nobody wants to be one of those guys who flip flopped on people and went back on his word. But this isn't like promising to meet someone for dinner and bailing. This is going to affect you for years and you should do what is right for you not what is the least uncomfortable or safest.

    Working at company 1 for a year and leaving will probably look even worse than withdrawing an acceptance. Future potential employers will probably never know that you withdrew acceptances in the past, but they will see that you only lasted a year at your first job.

    Again, don't guilt yourself into working anywhere.

    We had a guy cancel an acceptance today at my office. We offered him more money, so he gave his current employer a chance to match us. They said no, so he accepted our offer. Roughly a week before he is set to leave them they come back to him with a promotion, matching our offer and then some. So he did what was right for him. It sucks for us and he probably wouldn't be at the top of our list in the future, but it does happen.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hmm. I mean, I did accept the offer almost 2 months ago.... but... well... thinking time.

    More opinons welcome.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Why is your OP worded insanely?

    Take whichever one you think will make you happy and is also feasible financially.

    Tell whichever company you are leaving the situation and move on.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    My OP was worded insanely because I was under stress and thus.... yeah, I don't know.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Should probably lock this or something I suppose, what more can be said that hasn't already? It's a decision I need to make myself, about which job suits me best, and I guess that that is a personal decision. The only thing I would ask is, if I do decide to go back on the offer, how do I best tell them...

    I am a bad decision maker, I had this problem with deciding colleges, and with deciding high schools, and everything, but in the end I just gotta decide.

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  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    This is also your first professional job out of many. You'll have 40+ years of working and jobs and who knows where you'll be 5 years down the road. Pick the one that will have you working on things you're interested and want to learn.

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