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Is there a way to intercept and change an item that was sent to a printer?

FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
I don't know if there's a better way phrase that..

Basically, my girlfriend and I print a lot of coupons from various websites and save hundreds of dollars every week. Like, seriously.

Which is good, because we're poor college kids. Unfortunately, we waste a lot of money on printer ink and paper because these coupons purposely waste it. Like, the coupon will be like 3 inches by 3 or something, but the rest of the page is filled with needless pictures and graphics or models. The worst part of it is they use some browser based printing program that sends it straight to your printer without letting you change it to black and white..

So, we'll get several pages that each have one coupon and are in black and white.. but they waste all our color ink making it black and white.


Is there some way to "catch" an item that is sent to the printer, so that I can edit it, and save on ink and paper?

Is that legal?

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  • SipexSipex Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You could take a screenshot of it, cut out the relevant part from the shot in paint (ie: the coupon) then print it.

    Might work.

    edit: Might work as in, they may or may not accept the coupon. It's not illegal since you're not forging the coupon.

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    This doesn't answer your question, but can you share these coupons that save you hundreds of dollars a week? That's more than my wife and I even spend on things like groceries.

    As for the question - have you tried printing to a file? You can usually set up a "printer" that actually just writes the print spooler's output to a file on your local machine.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You can print it to a PDF writer (try download.com), I believe, which will create a PDF.

    You could also rather easily "Print Screen" and then edit the coupons all on one page for printing with some cut 'n paste.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    The coupon providers are a bit smarter than that.

    They don't let you see the coupon at all, only when it's physically in your hands after printing.

    Also, I'll do a little more research on it, my girlfriend does it mostly, I just cut the coupons out really. She goes to these websites and spends a lot of time planning our grocery shopping. And really, it depends on what you're getting. Like, I'll spend $50 on monday at my grocery store and save like $50, and then later in the week I might do it again, as well as spending money on other things like entertainment or whatever.

    I know one of the sites is www.hip2save.com.

    Also, benefits and savings are directly related to where you live. I live in Florida, home of Publix.. the best grocery store ever. So.. yeah, your millage may vary.


    What's this printing to a pdf thing?

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Problem is that there's no screen image of the coupon with these sites--you just click a button and the actual coupon spits out of your printer. There's print option screen to redirect the coupon to print to PDF. The coupon plugin is smart enough to check whether you're printing to an actual printer and it's not being sent to some other sort of device. This is all to prevent people from doing what the OP technically wants to do--alter the image of the coupon in some way. Usually this is to commit fraud, not save ink. But it still holds that there's likely no way to alter to coupons.

    Part of the reason stores are even willing to accept these coupons is that they've been assured by the companies that provide them there's no way for someone to alter the coupon on their computer before it gets printed.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, that's why I asked about the legality of it. I figured it was a security measure..

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Fuzz wrote: »
    The coupon providers are a bit smarter than that.

    They don't let you see the coupon at all, only when it's physically in your hands after printing.

    Also, I'll do a little more research on it, my girlfriend does it mostly, I just cut the coupons out really. She goes to these websites and spends a lot of time planning our grocery shopping. And really, it depends on what you're getting. Like, I'll spend $50 on monday at my grocery store and save like $50, and then later in the week I might do it again, as well as spending money on other things like entertainment or whatever.

    I know one of the sites is www.hip2save.com.

    Also, benefits and savings are directly related to where you live. I live in Florida, home of Publix.. the best grocery store ever. So.. yeah, your millage may vary.


    What's this printing to a pdf thing?

    Yes. Publix has a crazy ton of coupons always active. On any day of the week two or more things I'd need will be buy one get one free, and usually discounted to boot. I use their cupons occasionally, though I'd say you save about a dollar for every ten you spend... if you are consistent with them. That usually takes more effort than I care to use, though.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, it takes a lot of effort, but occasionally my girlfriend gets it so that they pay us to take things.

    Which is neat.

    Fuzz on
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ganluan wrote: »
    This doesn't answer your question, but can you share these coupons that save you hundreds of dollars a week? That's more than my wife and I even spend on things like groceries.

    As for the question - have you tried printing to a file? You can usually set up a "printer" that actually just writes the print spooler's output to a file on your local machine.

    I've often times found it cheaper to buy offbrand than to buy main brand with coupons. Like, when I say often times, I mean all the time.

    Sure I may get $2 off 3 12-packs of coke ($15 where I live), but if I buy Wegman's Brand soda I only pay about $10 for 3 of them. Now when you get coupon's for off brand name stuff, that's where the real deals are!

    God I love you Wegmans.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You gotta take advantage of how Publix takes coupons. The one I go to will take one Publix coupon, one Manufacturer's coupon, and one Competitor's coupon.

    So like, you save a dollar or two with each coupon, but with all three coupons you can get some items for -$1 or $2.

    Do that several times and you can get huge savings. That first time that you save more than you spend is amazing.. and then when you save double what you spend..

    It's kinda a rush, more so for my girlfriend..

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    Ganluan wrote: »
    This doesn't answer your question, but can you share these coupons that save you hundreds of dollars a week? That's more than my wife and I even spend on things like groceries.

    As for the question - have you tried printing to a file? You can usually set up a "printer" that actually just writes the print spooler's output to a file on your local machine.

    I've often times found it cheaper to buy offbrand than to buy main brand with coupons. Like, when I say often times, I mean all the time.

    Sure I may get $2 off 3 12-packs of coke ($15 where I live), but if I buy Wegman's Brand soda I only pay about $10 for 3 of them. Now when you get coupon's for off brand name stuff, that's where the real deals are!

    God I love you Wegmans.

    This is why Publix rocks. Their deals are the main brands, buy-1-get-1-free, then discounted to lower than the generic price. They do sales on the generic stuff too, all the time.

    Five 2 liter bottles of delicious Dr. Publix for $1.00? Booyah!

    Enc on
  • Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Especially a b&w laser printer. You can get a good Brother laser printer for about $110 at Best Buy and save significantly on toner (say, 2000+ pages for $50 of toner).

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

    It's also really easy to circumvent too. Unless these websites install some sort of spyware to verify shit like physical ports on the PC, it could probably be easily fooled with modifying the page's JS or making the page believe the PDF printer is actually attached to LPT1. Or using a Serial->Network driver that then prints to a PDF printer on the opposite machine.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • tempstemps Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Like everyone has said, send to a pdf printer.. like the free ones posted, or adobe pro if you have it. Also Microsoft has a version.

    If the website is sending it directly to the printer without prompting you, set the pdf printer as the default printer.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

    Damn.. Like, isn't it all bar code based anyway? I tried emailing some of the places about their abuse of my ink and paper and they're just like "oh.. sorry."

    Fuzz on
  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

    It's also really easy to circumvent too. Unless these websites install some sort of spyware to verify shit like physical ports on the PC, it could probably be easily fooled with modifying the page's JS or making the page believe the PDF printer is actually attached to LPT1. Or using a Serial->Network driver that then prints to a PDF printer on the opposite machine.

    How do I do that?

    Fuzz on
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hard to say but not really worth the effort in the long run. Just set the PDF printer to your default printer because I very much doubt a website is going to be able to verify the physical-ness of a printer. There's too much abstraction for that unless you're letting it install an activex control or something.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    bowen wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

    It's also really easy to circumvent too. Unless these websites install some sort of spyware to verify shit like physical ports on the PC, it could probably be easily fooled with modifying the page's JS or making the page believe the PDF printer is actually attached to LPT1. Or using a Serial->Network driver that then prints to a PDF printer on the opposite machine.

    They basically do install spyware.

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It actually installs some sort of software. I don't want to install it myself, so I don't know any details beyond that.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Fuzz wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    PDF Printing:

    Install this:

    http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

    It will install itself as a "Printer" on your machine. Print to that "printer" and a dialog will pop up and ask you where you want to save the PDF.

    Then you'd screenshot, edit, and re-print.

    But if you do this much printing you might be better served by buying a laser printer. It turns out that pencil lead is a lot cheaper than unicorn blood.

    Not saying this definitely won't work. But in my experience these coupon websites check to see that you are printing to a physical printer. I've actually run into problems sometimes because I have a 3-in-1 printer and the coupon site could tell and wouldn't print to a device that could do more than print.

    They really, really want to prevent people from being able to photoshop coupons and make them $2.00 off instead of $1.00 off, for instance, because as soon as people are able to do that stores will just stop accepting them.

    Damn.. Like, isn't it all bar code based anyway? I tried emailing some of the places about their abuse of my ink and paper and they're just like "oh.. sorry."

    All you'd have to do is alter the bar code so it's not recognizable, and then the clerk would manually enter the coupon amount. Happens all the time with coupons so it's not like it would really raise a flag.

    I'm not saying don't try any of the solutions people have posted, but don't bang your head against the wall too much. These companies have a lot of incentive to prevent people from doing what you are trying to do.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, they do kinda install some weird shit..


    Man, I hate that there's that.. "oh, you can't do this because someone could use this to steal" shit.

    Man..

    man.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    You know, I was reading a while ago about someone working on an iPhone app for e-coupons. You might want to see if something like that exists (assuming you have an iPhone or an iPod Touch). That way you wouldn't have to print anything at all.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hey! I do!

    I don't know if that'll work well with Publix though.. I think they insist on keeping the coupons.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Came in here to suggest CutePDF as a solution to the OP's issue, but given the spyware-esqe nature of the eCoupon programs they may have it shitlisted by name specifically. You might be able to circumvent it by network-sharing the CutePDF printer with a real printer's name.

    Also I hate all of you that have stores which do this crazy coupon shit because I would totally be getting paid to shop if I had them in my area. :x

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    These coupons you're using that are huge discounts are almost certainly counterfeit. One of my friends printed out coupons that saved him $7.50 on 12 packs of Heineken which he used to save a huge amount of money. Heineken is not about to eat that kind of loss on their product when the coupons get sent in by the grocery store. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

    I don't know what the legality is of using those coupons, but I personally would not use them.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Do you guys think those programs they install may cause issues to the computers? Both of my girlfriend's laptops are bogged down and I notice her vista laptop randomly turns on its fan very loud.. which I feel is some sort of symptom of having viruses or spyware..

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Gafoto wrote: »
    These coupons you're using that are huge discounts are almost certainly counterfeit. One of my friends printed out coupons that saved him $7.50 on 12 packs of Heineken which he used to save a huge amount of money. Heineken is not about to eat that kind of loss on their product when the coupons get sent in by the grocery store. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

    I don't know what the legality is of using those coupons, but I personally would not use them.

    Umm, the websites we go to link directly to manufacturer's websites for their coupons, and other official coupon sites. There's never a time where it's like "oh, use this coupon" and it's on photobucket or something, they're always from manufacturer related or approved sites.

    and they're never that good, I'm afraid.

    The "sweet deals" come from using several official coupons, like a grocery store one from their flier, one from a competitor's flier, and another from the manufacturer.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Fuzz wrote: »
    Do you guys think those programs they install may cause issues to the computers? Both of my girlfriend's laptops are bogged down and I notice her vista laptop randomly turns on its fan very loud.. which I feel is some sort of symptom of having viruses or spyware..

    Doubt it--the coupon-printing software is legit, and all it does is determine how many times you've printed a coupon and then sends the coupon to your printer. You could pull up your Task Manager and see if anything weird is taking up resources.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I guess I'll have to see soon enough. I recently bootcamped my macbook and now my girlfriend wants to install this stuff on my "PC" as well.

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