Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
I like how he's using him.
"I could turn you guys into flowers. But I won't cuz that's kind of a violation of my powers."
Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
I agree with you conceptually - god-level powers are boring - but how do you do it, in-continuity, without an explicit explanation?
This is Dr. Strange. He's supposed to be the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, without peer. He can't teleport to Japan?
Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
I agree with you conceptually - god-level powers are boring - but how do you do it, in-continuity, without an explicit explanation?
This is Dr. Strange. He's supposed to be the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, without peer. He can't teleport to Japan?
See, I'm always confused if it is "of Earth" or "of the universe". But either way, I suppose he should still be able to teleport to japan. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of people? He could probably teleport himself quite easily.
Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
I agree with you conceptually - god-level powers are boring - but how do you do it, in-continuity, without an explicit explanation?
This is Dr. Strange. He's supposed to be the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, without peer. He can't teleport to Japan?
See, I'm always confused if it is "of Earth" or "of the universe". But either way, I suppose he should still be able to teleport to japan. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of people? He could probably teleport himself quite easily.
Does he have to know where he's teleporting? It's not like he goes to Japan all the time, as somebody pointed out earlier.
Man, one thing I really hope is that Bendis reigns in Dr. Strange a bit in the power department. It looks like he's starting to put some limits on him and I hope that continues.
I agree with you conceptually - god-level powers are boring - but how do you do it, in-continuity, without an explicit explanation?
This is Dr. Strange. He's supposed to be the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, without peer. He can't teleport to Japan?
See, I'm always confused if it is "of Earth" or "of the universe". But either way, I suppose he should still be able to teleport to japan. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of people? He could probably teleport himself quite easily.
Does he have to know where he's teleporting? It's not like he goes to Japan all the time, as somebody pointed out earlier.
You'd think he'd go to Japan every once in a while, though, as I'm sure there's a thriving Japanese magical community.
Really, he should be doing more globe trotting in general.
There's no way its not Deadpool. No fucking way, unless the authors are seriously miswriting anyone else.
H... how do you figure? There was nothing in this issue that made me believe it was Deadpool. Hell, the framing of the panels made it look a lot more like Jessica Jones.
There's no way its not Deadpool. No fucking way, unless the authors are seriously miswriting anyone else.
H... how do you figure? There was nothing in this issue that made me believe it was Deadpool. Hell, the framing of the panels made it look a lot more like Jessica Jones.
I meant overall as in "just picking up the series".
The number of posts this thread has arguing about the correct representation of the legal stuff in latest issue of New Avengers is probably about equal to the number of months the fictional court proceedings would take to determine same issue.
The number of posts this thread has arguing about the correct representation of the legal stuff in latest issue of New Avengers is probably about equal to the number of months the fictional court proceedings would take to determine same issue.
Rand wins either way.
So, you complain about people debating an issue, then make an uneducated assertion about the outcome of the issue?
Seriously?
I don't make uneducated assertions about how an elaborate and complex biochemical reaction will proceed; why do you feel qualified to make such assertions about a legal proceedings involving difficult evidentiary matters and an elaborate (300+ page, apparently) law?
The number of posts this thread has arguing about the correct representation of the legal stuff in latest issue of New Avengers is probably about equal to the number of months the fictional court proceedings would take to determine same issue.
Rand wins either way.
So, you complain about people debating an issue, then make an uneducated assertion about the outcome of the issue?
Seriously?
I don't make uneducated assertions about how an elaborate and complex biochemical reaction will proceed; why do you feel qualified to make such assertions about a legal proceedings involving difficult evidentiary matters and an elaborate (300+ page, apparently) law?
A. Because you're being a bit of a douche and
B. Because it's the internet
The number of posts this thread has arguing about the correct representation of the legal stuff in latest issue of New Avengers is probably about equal to the number of months the fictional court proceedings would take to determine same issue.
Rand wins either way.
So, you complain about people debating an issue, then make an uneducated assertion about the outcome of the issue?
Seriously?
I don't make uneducated assertions about how an elaborate and complex biochemical reaction will proceed; why do you feel qualified to make such assertions about a legal proceedings involving difficult evidentiary matters and an elaborate (300+ page, apparently) law?
A. Because you're being a bit of a douche and
B. Because it's the internet
I wish we could digg comments on this forum. Because you would get a big thumbs up.
I just got around to reading the New Avengers 29 last night. I'd like to say that I love Danny Rand's attorney. The whole subpoena thing never occurred to me, and it's fucking brilliant. Kudos to the writer or editor that did the research to come up with that one.
I just got around to reading the New Avengers 29 last night. I'd like to say that I love Danny Rand's attorney. The whole subpoena thing never occurred to me, and it's fucking brilliant. Kudos to the writer or editor that did the research to come up with that one.
Yeah, it's already been discussed but that attorney is retarded, and whatever writer/editor that thought it made sense is basically the opposite of brilliant. Not only does it disagree with the rules of evidence, but it shows the attorney being a complete fool in front of the head of SHIELD while advising his client to be a criminal.
I just got around to reading the New Avengers 29 last night. I'd like to say that I love Danny Rand's attorney. The whole subpoena thing never occurred to me, and it's fucking brilliant. Kudos to the writer or editor that did the research to come up with that one.
Yeah, it's already been discussed but that attorney is retarded, and whatever writer/editor that thought it made sense is basically the opposite of brilliant. Not only does it disagree with the rules of evidence, but it shows the attorney being a complete fool in front of the head of SHIELD while advising his client to be a criminal.
Oh, shut up. In an issue where Dr. Strange makes a
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come after Iron Man you complain about the unrealism of a small legal battle? Ridiculous.
Its easier to suspend your disbelief for things that you know don't exist like zombified super soldiers, but when real world things in comics are wrong, it's more glaring, because its not something thats a product of imagination or creativity, but poor research.
Its easier to suspend your disbelief for things that you know don't exist like zombified super soldiers, but when real world things in comics are wrong, it's more glaring, because its not something thats a product of imagination or creativity, but poor research.
That logic would work were we watching a goddamn episode of Law and Order.
Edit: The conversation basically boils down to the fact Tony will have to tip-toe through the fucking tulips in regards to New Avengers. Also, where were you guys when Reed Richards did....fucking anything?
Ok, I don't practice criminal law, and I might just be making a big ass of myself. But it sure makes sense to me. If the incriminating evidence comes from Tony's armor's sensors, and the prosecution has to turn over everything they have that might also contain exculpatory information, and there is a question about the accuracy of the armor's sensors, then couldn't the defendant get those records in a criminal prosecution? It might not be done with a subpoena, but I'm willing to forgive the writer/editor failing to distinguish between a motion to compel and a subpoena.
Its easier to suspend your disbelief for things that you know don't exist like zombified super soldiers, but when real world things in comics are wrong, it's more glaring, because its not something thats a product of imagination or creativity, but poor research.
That logic would work were we watching a goddamn episode of Law and Order.
Now thats a reasoned and thoughtful counterpoint if ever I've seen one.
Sorry about the tone, but yeah. The comic narrative of New Avengers is that they're up against the odds. That means depicting Tony and his ilk as dicks, and since most are street-level they'll need deus-ex machinas such as a lawyer fending off Iron-Man. If we're going to go the route of wanting real-life depictions of law being accurate to a T, you guys better not be reading Daredevil, because Matt's a fucking lawyer and they stretch shit all the time.
Okay, I went back and skimmed some of the discussion of the lawyer's subpoena argument. Mattharvest, I disagree with you. That lawyer is right. If a prosecutor were try to get the data from Stark's armor admitted in a criminal proceeding, the prosecutor would be faced with authenticating the evidence. The only way to authenticate it would be have Stark himself testify. Once Stark is under oath and answering questions intended to authenticate his data, he'd be subject to further inquiries on cross.
And, actually, very little of this issue would play out in a courtroom, it would all take place through pre-trial motions. As the defense attorney, I'd be trying to suppress that evidence in a pre-trial motion. I'd be making the reliability of the armor's sensors and the chain of custody into issues. And I'd be demanding that I be given access to the armor in order have an independent expert verify all these things.
Iron Man's armor is not a photocopy machine. From the court's perspective, it's a magic box. Some guy claims that the magic box says the Danny Rand was dressed up as Iron Fist. Before admitting evidence from the magic box, the judge is going to have to determine whether the box is actually magic or not; that is, that the stuff that comes out of the box is reliable, verifiable, and authentic. In the process of fighting over these issues, the defense is going to get a kind of access to Iron Man's tech with which he would not be comfortable. If he refuses to provide the access, the evidence gets tossed. If he does, he compromises his security.
Ok, I don't practice criminal law, and I might just be making a big ass of myself. But it sure makes sense to me. If the incriminating evidence comes from Tony's armor's sensors, and the prosecution has to turn over everything they have that might also contain exculpatory information, and there is a question about the accuracy of the armor's sensors, then couldn't the defendant get those records in a criminal prosecution? It might not be done with a subpoena, but I'm willing to forgive the writer/editor failing to distinguish between a motion to compel and a subpoena.
Okay, here's the deal: just because I photograph you doing something illegal, doesn't mean that in order to admit that photo into evidence I have to let you examine my camera.
Even if it did, that wouldn't mean I'd have to let you see all my images from my camera. It's just not that simple.
The way discovery works, each side asks for EVERYTHING they can from the other side, then they deny the other side most discovery by claiming it's irrelevant or privileged. Then, the court resolves some of the disputes, and the case proceeds.
What would happen here is simple: the head of SHIELD, the most powerful law-enforcement agent on the planet, would say "I'm an eye-witness to this lying millionaire illegally operating as a vigilante" and "I have holographic proof". Even without the images, Rand would lose in court.
You're not refuting the basis of his argument though. His whole point is that Iron Man's armor/tech is not common place even in the Marvel U. Tony is pretty much the only one with direct access to it/knowledge how it works. The camera anology dosen't hold up.
Yea, if cameras had just been invented and the judge had never seen one before, I can see him agreeing that some sort of proof of how it worked might be neccesary.
Regardless of the fictional laws at work, it was a nice issue and was great to see the law-abiding side fucked over by their "do it our way now or go to jail" policy.
I didn't like the "Your powers are being negated by a neural field" part though. I mean...what field subdues super strength or healing? Gimme a break. I hate deus ex shit like that.
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Regardless of the fictional laws at work, it was a nice issue and was great to see the law-abiding side fucked over by their "do it our way now or go to jail" policy.
I didn't like the "Your powers are being negated by a neural field" part though. I mean...what field subdues super strength or healing? Gimme a break. I hate deus ex shit like that.
They stole it from the Ultimate Marvel Universe. In Ultimate Marvel almost all powers are based on genetics and SHIELD has a field that can pick up on radar when ever any one uses their power [Ultimate Six] and they also have a satalite that can make some ones powers turn off. It must have been Loki who made them forget to try to use it on Thor.
If it is not Jessica Jones, I will eat the page that proves me wrong.
Despite the fact that I like the Deadpool idea. Which makes no sense. Other than it could potentially account for one of the other Daredevil's running around.
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I like how he's using him.
"I could turn you guys into flowers. But I won't cuz that's kind of a violation of my powers."
I agree with you conceptually - god-level powers are boring - but how do you do it, in-continuity, without an explicit explanation?
This is Dr. Strange. He's supposed to be the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, without peer. He can't teleport to Japan?
See, I'm always confused if it is "of Earth" or "of the universe". But either way, I suppose he should still be able to teleport to japan. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of people? He could probably teleport himself quite easily.
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Does he have to know where he's teleporting? It's not like he goes to Japan all the time, as somebody pointed out earlier.
You'd think he'd go to Japan every once in a while, though, as I'm sure there's a thriving Japanese magical community.
Really, he should be doing more globe trotting in general.
There's no way its not Deadpool. No fucking way, unless the authors are seriously miswriting anyone else.
H... how do you figure? There was nothing in this issue that made me believe it was Deadpool. Hell, the framing of the panels made it look a lot more like Jessica Jones.
I meant overall as in "just picking up the series".
Rand wins either way.
So, you complain about people debating an issue, then make an uneducated assertion about the outcome of the issue?
Seriously?
I don't make uneducated assertions about how an elaborate and complex biochemical reaction will proceed; why do you feel qualified to make such assertions about a legal proceedings involving difficult evidentiary matters and an elaborate (300+ page, apparently) law?
A. Because you're being a bit of a douche and
B. Because it's the internet
I wish we could digg comments on this forum. Because you would get a big thumbs up.
Yeah, it's already been discussed but that attorney is retarded, and whatever writer/editor that thought it made sense is basically the opposite of brilliant. Not only does it disagree with the rules of evidence, but it shows the attorney being a complete fool in front of the head of SHIELD while advising his client to be a criminal.
Suspend your disbelief, it's a comic book.
That logic would work were we watching a goddamn episode of Law and Order.
Edit: The conversation basically boils down to the fact Tony will have to tip-toe through the fucking tulips in regards to New Avengers. Also, where were you guys when Reed Richards did....fucking anything?
And, actually, very little of this issue would play out in a courtroom, it would all take place through pre-trial motions. As the defense attorney, I'd be trying to suppress that evidence in a pre-trial motion. I'd be making the reliability of the armor's sensors and the chain of custody into issues. And I'd be demanding that I be given access to the armor in order have an independent expert verify all these things.
Iron Man's armor is not a photocopy machine. From the court's perspective, it's a magic box. Some guy claims that the magic box says the Danny Rand was dressed up as Iron Fist. Before admitting evidence from the magic box, the judge is going to have to determine whether the box is actually magic or not; that is, that the stuff that comes out of the box is reliable, verifiable, and authentic. In the process of fighting over these issues, the defense is going to get a kind of access to Iron Man's tech with which he would not be comfortable. If he refuses to provide the access, the evidence gets tossed. If he does, he compromises his security.
Kudos.
He's Blade.
I didn't say it was a good thing. He's teamed-up with Luke Cage recently, is proficient in Katana use and has worked with most of the current NA team.
It all makes sense sadly.
Okay, here's the deal: just because I photograph you doing something illegal, doesn't mean that in order to admit that photo into evidence I have to let you examine my camera.
Even if it did, that wouldn't mean I'd have to let you see all my images from my camera. It's just not that simple.
The way discovery works, each side asks for EVERYTHING they can from the other side, then they deny the other side most discovery by claiming it's irrelevant or privileged. Then, the court resolves some of the disputes, and the case proceeds.
What would happen here is simple: the head of SHIELD, the most powerful law-enforcement agent on the planet, would say "I'm an eye-witness to this lying millionaire illegally operating as a vigilante" and "I have holographic proof". Even without the images, Rand would lose in court.
They stole it from the Ultimate Marvel Universe. In Ultimate Marvel almost all powers are based on genetics and SHIELD has a field that can pick up on radar when ever any one uses their power [Ultimate Six] and they also have a satalite that can make some ones powers turn off. It must have been Loki who made them forget to try to use it on Thor.
Despite the fact that I like the Deadpool idea. Which makes no sense. Other than it could potentially account for one of the other Daredevil's running around.