I still think they should have just Remmy'd up Guile for SSF4. Give him high and low sonic booms, give him a dive kick. Give him a projectile spam super, etc.
Give him blue nocturne.
Anyways, who the hell thought up Hakan? He is possibly the most retarded character I've seen in ages. I mean...OILY death guys? Really? Why don't we just add in a freakin' OILY tornado?
Why do people think Hakan is any more retarded than the indian guy who stretches, the fat kungfu slob, the green electric beastman, or the guy that yells "tiger' every second?
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...you guys have the worst sense of what makes a good character, really, you do.
I mean, he's funny sure...but being funny is not what makes a good character. Ryu, Ken, Omega Rugal, Kyo...characters that stand the test of time. Hakan is like something out of EX..hell, SKULLOMANIA was retarded and he probably still has a better character concept. I mean, wtf is Hakan's motivation. To BUY MORE OIL for his rugrats!?!? At least Dan has a purpose behind his creation!
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I still think they should have just Remmy'd up Guile for SSF4. Give him high and low sonic booms, give him a dive kick. Give him a projectile spam super, etc.
Give him blue nocturne.
Anyways, who the hell thought up Hakan? He is possibly the most retarded character I've seen in ages. I mean...OILY death guys? Really? Why don't we just add in a freakin' OILY tornado?
...you guys have the worst sense of what makes a good character, really, you do.
I mean, he's funny sure...but being funny is not what makes a good character.
I disagree.
He's set out as a joke character and does that part pretty damn well.
I think we have the joke slot filled pretty well already. I can also think of better joke characters to bring in from the franchise...Skullomania being one of them.
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Why so serious? You don't like him. Great. Not all humor is equally funny to everyone. Some people like Ron White. I'm a Carlin fan. But I don't tell Ron White fans he's no good, just because it isn't my kind of humor.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Why so serious? You don't like him. Great. Not all humor is equally funny to everyone. Some people like Ron White. I'm a Carlin fan. But I don't tell Ron White fans he's no good, just because it isn't my kind of humor.
It's a passion. Mostly just seeing that last unused character slot...granted, it was kind of a lost cause with the rumors, but still...it would have been awesome if they pulled out some kick ass character for their send off. Something fearsome, or heroic. Instead we get an oiled up guy with 15 kids and a homo erotic fetish who will most definitely be relegated to non existence after SF4 has run it's course. Seeing people say he's the best character they've seen in ages makes my BRAIN hurt.
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I still think they should have just Remmy'd up Guile for SSF4. Give him high and low sonic booms, give him a dive kick. Give him a projectile spam super, etc.
they would never, ever change guile this drastically. i think at most they'd give him a new special.
they could give him better zoning tools and better damage opportunities. make the flash kick have a huge hitbox, or if you want to be really silly, make it have lots of horizontal range and be safe on block when done with LK.
sonic booms, of course, are already excellent.
guile's got two main problems: he's got very low damage output, which is easily fixed by just making his combos easier and better. it would also help if he had a way to combo into his ultra, and if his ultra weren't just terrible overall. we'll see how that goes.
he's also really vulnerable to crossups. how to fix that? maybe change flash kick's properties drastically, so that it attacks in a more circular motion (maybe only with MK) and actually hits behind him, countering crossups if timed properly.
if he were to get a new special, i'd say it would have to either contribute to an aggressive or a defensive zoning game, or help out with his damage output in standard BnBs, in a safe way.
i'm not sure what that would be, though. a stationary, large sonic whirlwind looking thing? maybe a more upward-oriented attack, like a long range version of makoto's dragon punch-ish thing, one that can hit in a combo up close or stuff a crossup?
or maybe add something really strange to his game, like a downward sonic whirlwind-ish attack that he can do in the air, one that isn't a real projectile but more like his Ultra-2. i don't know.
Why so serious? You don't like him. Great. Not all humor is equally funny to everyone. Some people like Ron White. I'm a Carlin fan. But I don't tell Ron White fans he's no good, just because it isn't my kind of humor.
It's a passion. Mostly just seeing that last unused character slot...granted, it was kind of a lost cause with the rumors, but still...it would have been awesome if they pulled out some kick ass character for their send off. Something fearsome, or heroic. Instead we get an oiled up guy with 15 kids and a homo erotic fetish who will most definitely be relegated to non existence after SF4 has run it's course. Seeing people say he's the best character they've seen in ages makes my BRAIN hurt.
Juri already filled the bad-ass slot and there are plenty of heroic dudes already.
If you want to show KoF goofy characters you can just refer to Maximum Impact. You can also do the same thing when you want to refer to KoF's worst character designs.
Why so serious? You don't like him. Great. Not all humor is equally funny to everyone. Some people like Ron White. I'm a Carlin fan. But I don't tell Ron White fans he's no good, just because it isn't my kind of humor.
Seeing people say he's the best character they've seen in ages makes my BRAIN hurt.
If it makes you feel better I was kidding about that part.
Why so serious? You don't like him. Great. Not all humor is equally funny to everyone. Some people like Ron White. I'm a Carlin fan. But I don't tell Ron White fans he's no good, just because it isn't my kind of humor.
It's a passion. Mostly just seeing that last unused character slot...granted, it was kind of a lost cause with the rumors, but still...it would have been awesome if they pulled out some kick ass character for their send off. Something fearsome, or heroic. Instead we get an oiled up guy with 15 kids and a homo erotic fetish who will most definitely be relegated to non existence after SF4 has run it's course. Seeing people say he's the best character they've seen in ages makes my BRAIN hurt.
jesus chrysler. I had no personal stake in whatever the fuck Capcom wanted to put in their game. They did something off-kilter. I like it. You don't. How is one opinion more valid than another?
It's not.
To each their own man. You need to stop posting like Capcom personally let you down with Hakan. Capcom doesn't owe us anything except to make a decently fun, moderately balanced game.
Edit: Ah, it looks like the rage has run its course. Very well then. Hopefully we'll all look back on this when Super ALpha EX Plus Turbo Street Fighter 4 is announced and laugh.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
also, ryu has not stood the test of time because he's a good character. the street fighter characters are pretty pathetic in general. "karate guy in a karate outfit" isn't exactly thrilling. neither is "generic sumo guy" or "american soldier with funny haircut" or "mike tyson but with a B."
i'd say Bison is a good design, but he's stolen from japanese mythology anyways.
the reason most of these characters have become so iconic is because Street Fighter has gained cultural momentum. It was one of the first, maybe the first fighting games to actually get it right and turn into something that had widespread mechanical gameplay appeal, and people would have played it no matter what the characters looked like.
Hakan while batshit crazy look wise also looks fun to play to me, I don't care if he is looking to collect paper dolls for his daughters for his plot.
I never have been able to see the KoF character design love, they feel pretty generic to me. I prefer Iori to ALL of the iconic characters mentioned there tho.
Hakan while batshit crazy look wise also looks fun to play to me, I don't care if he is looking to collect paper dolls for his daughters for his plot.
I never have been able to see the KoF character design love, they feel pretty generic to me. I prefer Iori to ALL of the iconic characters mentioned there tho.
I take it that you like your pretty rooster haired boys eh? :winky:
Love KoF character designs though that might just be my childhood calling.
I think if they gave Guile more moves, it would totally mess with his Metagame. They'd have to tone down his sonic booms or something in return, and I don't think Guile players want that.
I think if they gave Guile more moves, it would totally mess with his Metagame. They'd have to tone down his sonic booms or something in return, and I don't think Guile players want that.
I dunno man, Guile just seems like he's been left behind. True, Ryu in SF4 is essentially unchanged in terms of special moves, yet he's so much more effective.
If Capcom somehow made the hitbox for flash kick bigger and gave it more invincibility so that you could tag crossups with it Guile would be somewhat less than free.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Yes, rage run it's course...I work nights, I need things to focus on. Mostly it's just disappointment, but likely I will be playing him to laugh my ass off. Besides, what's a good thread without a little rage conversation?
Still though...Robo Akuma in SF4. Might have been sweet. Really though, I just wish another Alpha 3 char made it in..badly. They had so many good ones, the opportunity was there! Rolento! Karin! Sodom!
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Yeah, Guile only has two moves, but they are really good moves (and flash kick is getting a slight buff isn't it?). It's weird to think, if he had another useful move he'd completely change his position in the game.
Yes, rage run it's course...I work nights, I need things to focus on. Mostly it's just disappoint, but likely I will be playing him to laugh my ass off. Besides, what's a good thread without a little rage conversation?
Still though...Robo Akuma in SF4. Might have been sweet. Really though, I just wish another Alpha 3 char made it in..badly. They had so many good ones, the opportunity was there!
Robo Gief will attempt to fill his sandals. I personally am training up with Gief just so I can yell "Zangief GOO!!" to myself everytime I land spd or ultra.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Yes, rage run it's course...I work nights, I need things to focus on. Mostly it's just disappointment, but likely I will be playing him to laugh my ass off. Besides, what's a good thread without a little rage conversation?
Still though...Robo Akuma in SF4. Might have been sweet. Really though, I just wish another Alpha 3 char made it in..badly. They had so many good ones, the opportunity was there!
Really?
I would love karin to be in, but who the hell wants sodom, birdy and rolento?
Part of my lack of respect with the KoF designs could have to do with my complete lack of knowledge for the universes the characters come from in general.
Like I know Iori and Kyo are linked in some way but haven't even the slightest info as to how/why. My 2d fighter cred is lacking I guess.
Yes, rage run it's course...I work nights, I need things to focus on. Mostly it's just disappointment, but likely I will be playing him to laugh my ass off. Besides, what's a good thread without a little rage conversation?
Still though...Robo Akuma in SF4. Might have been sweet. Really though, I just wish another Alpha 3 char made it in..badly. They had so many good ones, the opportunity was there!
Really?
I would love karin to be in, but who the hell wants sodom, birdy and rolento?
At first I really didn't like her, but watching her in action a couple of times now I think I might want to dabble in her, for the same reason I played as Kou in The Bouncer. Someone figure that out. :P
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Give him blue nocturne.
Hakan is the best character of all time.
OF ALL TIME.
I think Hakan might be the best new SF character to be introduced in a long time.
I mean, he's funny sure...but being funny is not what makes a good character. Ryu, Ken, Omega Rugal, Kyo...characters that stand the test of time. Hakan is like something out of EX..hell, SKULLOMANIA was retarded and he probably still has a better character concept. I mean, wtf is Hakan's motivation. To BUY MORE OIL for his rugrats!?!? At least Dan has a purpose behind his creation!
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I disagree.
He's set out as a joke character and does that part pretty damn well.
I think we have the joke slot filled pretty well already. I can also think of better joke characters to bring in from the franchise...Skullomania being one of them.
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If you want serious badass designs go to King of fighters.
It's a passion. Mostly just seeing that last unused character slot...granted, it was kind of a lost cause with the rumors, but still...it would have been awesome if they pulled out some kick ass character for their send off. Something fearsome, or heroic. Instead we get an oiled up guy with 15 kids and a homo erotic fetish who will most definitely be relegated to non existence after SF4 has run it's course. Seeing people say he's the best character they've seen in ages makes my BRAIN hurt.
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I'd say Virtua Fighter for "serious" characters.
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they would never, ever change guile this drastically. i think at most they'd give him a new special.
they could give him better zoning tools and better damage opportunities. make the flash kick have a huge hitbox, or if you want to be really silly, make it have lots of horizontal range and be safe on block when done with LK.
sonic booms, of course, are already excellent.
guile's got two main problems: he's got very low damage output, which is easily fixed by just making his combos easier and better. it would also help if he had a way to combo into his ultra, and if his ultra weren't just terrible overall. we'll see how that goes.
he's also really vulnerable to crossups. how to fix that? maybe change flash kick's properties drastically, so that it attacks in a more circular motion (maybe only with MK) and actually hits behind him, countering crossups if timed properly.
if he were to get a new special, i'd say it would have to either contribute to an aggressive or a defensive zoning game, or help out with his damage output in standard BnBs, in a safe way.
i'm not sure what that would be, though. a stationary, large sonic whirlwind looking thing? maybe a more upward-oriented attack, like a long range version of makoto's dragon punch-ish thing, one that can hit in a combo up close or stuff a crossup?
or maybe add something really strange to his game, like a downward sonic whirlwind-ish attack that he can do in the air, one that isn't a real projectile but more like his Ultra-2. i don't know.
Juri already filled the bad-ass slot and there are plenty of heroic dudes already.
Hey, angel is awesome. >: (
If you want to show KoF goofy characters you can just refer to Maximum Impact. You can also do the same thing when you want to refer to KoF's worst character designs.
Except sometimes he will be badtouched by a big oily man.
ROFL
Yeah...brain hurt.
Why can't we just get ROBO Akuma?!?! I mean, how awesome would that be!
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If it makes you feel better I was kidding about that part.
Still awesome though.
jesus chrysler. I had no personal stake in whatever the fuck Capcom wanted to put in their game. They did something off-kilter. I like it. You don't. How is one opinion more valid than another?
It's not.
To each their own man. You need to stop posting like Capcom personally let you down with Hakan. Capcom doesn't owe us anything except to make a decently fun, moderately balanced game.
Edit: Ah, it looks like the rage has run its course. Very well then. Hopefully we'll all look back on this when Super ALpha EX Plus Turbo Street Fighter 4 is announced and laugh.
i'd say Bison is a good design, but he's stolen from japanese mythology anyways.
the reason most of these characters have become so iconic is because Street Fighter has gained cultural momentum. It was one of the first, maybe the first fighting games to actually get it right and turn into something that had widespread mechanical gameplay appeal, and people would have played it no matter what the characters looked like.
I never have been able to see the KoF character design love, they feel pretty generic to me. I prefer Iori to ALL of the iconic characters mentioned there tho.
Re: Guile. He's been a perfectly fine character in SF games not called SF4. Just make the moves he already has not terrible and there you go.
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I take it that you like your pretty rooster haired boys eh? :winky:
Love KoF character designs though that might just be my childhood calling.
I dunno man, Guile just seems like he's been left behind. True, Ryu in SF4 is essentially unchanged in terms of special moves, yet he's so much more effective.
If Capcom somehow made the hitbox for flash kick bigger and gave it more invincibility so that you could tag crossups with it Guile would be somewhat less than free.
Still though...Robo Akuma in SF4. Might have been sweet. Really though, I just wish another Alpha 3 char made it in..badly. They had so many good ones, the opportunity was there! Rolento! Karin! Sodom!
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Really?
I would love karin to be in, but who the hell wants sodom, birdy and rolento?
It just seemed so wrong.
Like I know Iori and Kyo are linked in some way but haven't even the slightest info as to how/why. My 2d fighter cred is lacking I guess.
i'd love rolento to be in this game
This is a world I want to live in.
At first I really didn't like her, but watching her in action a couple of times now I think I might want to dabble in her, for the same reason I played as Kou in The Bouncer. Someone figure that out. :P