Cyclone works but it's got a cast time so it's not on call: by the time you as a healer are needing to interrupt it means someone else has dropped the ball and the interrupt needs to be done now. By the time you cast Cyclone someone may have taken care of it already and now you spent the last second or so casting for no good reason. Cat/Bear->Skull Bash and/or Bear->Bash are only on call if you have Furor so after shifting you have the energy/rage to use it right away. Taurens have Warstomp which helps solidify them as the superior druid race (at least on that fight). Psychic Scream's what I forgot, and it counts as a relatively good interrupt since it's only 30s cooldown, AoE, and instant.
Cho's 90% an interrupt fight. If you interrupt everything then you win, if you don't then you have a really hard road ahead of you. Fuck up on Worships and the tank starts taking damage out the ass. Fuck up on the add and everyone gets corrupted. Fuck up on the eye stalks and people become worthless. The last 10% is positioning: position the adds to die properly so AoE can get them down and stick close to each other so interrupts can happen before the boss gets buffed.
The easiest way for a tank to do interrupts on Worship is with the wonders of the tab key. If everyone is stacked on the boss, tab-interrupt-tab works great. This is, of course, if you are a DK or Bear.
Also, the best thing to do with Depravity interrupts is for your tanks to get used to the timing. Don't move, interrupt, then backpeddle as fast as you can. When your interrupt is about to go off cooldown again, stop moving, wait for the cast, interrupt again and then start moving again.
On 10 man (not sure on 25) it's on a cooldown such that 1 melee can do all the interrupts. Same as tons of other stuff.
/targetenemyplayer works and it works wonders. Macroing that with your interrupt as a ranged interrupter makes it super easy to pop without having to think about it.
So my 10 man is falling apart. One of our members has to quit because of work. One has become dependable as a Ford truck made on a friday. One is now dating a cougar.
So my 10 man is falling apart. One of our members has to quit because of work. One has become dependable as a Ford truck made on a friday. One is now dating a cougar.
FML
That really sucks. My 10 man went through a period of 3 weeks where we literally went through 8 healers quitting. We're now barely keeping up in server progression but at least we didn't fall totally apart.
Yeah, attrition, burnout, apathy, etc. has killed progression in my guild as well. We've actually degressed a little since we've only been killing at most 3 heroic bosses per week for a while now, even though we were up to 4/12 last month.
Ok, I know what you mean. I am looking forward to some of the fights that are actually different, though, as opposed to Halfus and Chim which are just turned up to 11.
Getting really irritated with Nef at the moment. We're *so* close - 35%ish - but just losing it on the adds in Phase 3. The annoying thing is that I can't offer any useful guidance 'cause I've got a dragon in my face.
What sort of movement pattern are the add kiters going for? Is it "Move far enough away when shadowflame hits the ground, then stand still and don't die", or is it "Keep moving to try to keep one step ahead of the skellies for as long as possible"?
There's slowing of the adds going on, and I'm not entirely clear if that's beneficial - on the one hand it makes it easier to take less damage while they're being kited, but on the other it means they take longer to get away from the flame.
So my guild just started doing chogall on 10 man and hooooooo boy, are we getting our asses kicked. It seems like we do not have enough interrupts and ranged damage for the fight, even though we one shot the monstrosity last night. Chogall is getting 4-5 worship stacks occasionally, and when I offtank the big add that spawns ranged can't kill it in that 30 second time span so I start getting massive corruption.
We are following the tankspot guide for doing him. Anyone have any suggestions.
Our raid composition varies but last night it was me as DK MT, Beartank OT, Shammy, Druid, and Pally heals. Ret pally, warrior melee dps. 2 mages and a shadow priest ranged dps.
Any advice would be lovely!
Our raid comp is War Tank, DK Tank, Hunter (me), pally heal, shammy heal, and a 3rd healer (another pally or priest), DK dps, 1-2 mages, boomkin, enhance shammy, rogue (I know that's more than 10, or dps gets swapped around depending on who is sitting that night).
I'm the one leading vent with the one healer, so 50% of the calls are made by me or the 1 healer.
MC's are handled by a dragon's breath by the mage. Always. If we have 2 mages, it's usually never an issue. If one of the mages get's MC'd I'll scatter or the priest will aoe scream or whatever. MCs are everyone's responsibility in our raid and that is known. The default is that we all stack tight on his butt and the mage takes one step back, dragons breath, cleanses go out, rinse repeat.
Add stage looks like this. I call ranged to break off. I MD add to tank. Tank interupts, mage interupts next, tank interupts 3rd depravitys. For 1st set of adds the ranged go back on cho and I solo the first 5 bloods. Spec'd into entrapment and engi bombs make it cake. 2nd set of adds it's me and 1 of the ranged 3rd set is all 3 of us. Cho goes in to phase 2 before the 4th fester blood.
If a ranged get's MC'd it is our shammy healer or us ranged's responsibility to get them out and get them cleansed. If it happens at a really bad time (I've been MC'd causing the adds to walk right through my traps) I call for melee to run back which they do and destroy the adds. If I'm MC'd the mage roots, slows, whatever to let the melee get in there.
As for the big add dieing that's just your dps have to dps harder not much else to say. There is no trick. And bad MC's can definately mess that up. We've had fester blood happen and the add not die till about 5 secs after that because of MC's. But you just have to handle it. I throw down a trap and mage tries to wrangle the next ones coming out. People have to be responsible for what they are doing and if they are unable to (because of a bad MC or whatever) someone needs to be in charge of calling that out. Having 6 people saying shit in vent ruins that fight. You need 1 tank negotiating taunts (or both if they are concise on vent). You need 1 of the ranged dps or the healer that goes out with them to make the judgement calls for adds. It's good for me as a dps because I know whether or not the mage and I have it under control or if "oh shit, melee get back here" needs to be called within seconds of something happening.
With 2 mages, MC's shouldn't be an issue with dragon's breath though.
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Getting really irritated with Nef at the moment. We're *so* close - 35%ish - but just losing it on the adds in Phase 3. The annoying thing is that I can't offer any useful guidance 'cause I've got a dragon in my face.
What sort of movement pattern are the add kiters going for? Is it "Move far enough away when shadowflame hits the ground, then stand still and don't die", or is it "Keep moving to try to keep one step ahead of the skellies for as long as possible"?
There's slowing of the adds going on, and I'm not entirely clear if that's beneficial - on the one hand it makes it easier to take less damage while they're being kited, but on the other it means they take longer to get away from the flame.
Key to phase 3 is just the add kiting. As long as your add tank can get them to sleep at least once its done.
For my 10 man, p1 adds are (ideally) all slept at the front pillar. Nef is 60ish at start of p3. Our MT (DK) tanks Nef in the middle while the add tank (pally) runs around the outer circle with a one of our healers.
Our MT flips Nef 180 degrees if add tank is getting near Nef's head. Raid runs through Nef's stomach if flames get close.
Since our add tank is a silly goose who doesn't use addons, I call out on vent when shadowflame timer is at 5secs. We don't use any slows. I assume by the way we do this that pally just tanks the adds and starts running when I call the timer or if flames get near.
Yeah my guild's specifically ignoring that place until we kill the other two bosses, since what's the point until then to get the checkmark for the mount/title since no one can use the loot from there.
His council isn't so bad, mostly because its stupidly easy, but by the time you reach al'akir no one wants his gear anymore. It would be like making Nef drop gloves or something.
Al'Akir is actually the hardest 25-man boss, the design is so unfair/unfriendly. Our 25-man always just broke up into two 10-mans to kill him. We've never actually downed him on 25. But we haven't bothered with him for weeks now since it's pointless.
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His council isn't so bad, mostly because its stupidly easy, but by the time you reach al'akir no one wants his gear anymore. It would be like making Nef drop gloves or something.
Yeah, Conclave of Winds is a joke. We only really made one attempt on Al'Akir but people couldn't dodge tornados. I think if we actually spent some time we'd get him easy though. But yeah, his loot is just terrible. I'd like to get him just so we can say we are 11/12 instead of 10/12 :P After that, fuck him until he starts dropping tokens I guess
My guess is Blizzard designed the place with being pugged in mind with all the random loot and stuff, but then they screwed the pooch with the final boss and made it so no one wants to go in.
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Cho's 90% an interrupt fight. If you interrupt everything then you win, if you don't then you have a really hard road ahead of you. Fuck up on Worships and the tank starts taking damage out the ass. Fuck up on the add and everyone gets corrupted. Fuck up on the eye stalks and people become worthless. The last 10% is positioning: position the adds to die properly so AoE can get them down and stick close to each other so interrupts can happen before the boss gets buffed.
Also, the best thing to do with Depravity interrupts is for your tanks to get used to the timing. Don't move, interrupt, then backpeddle as fast as you can. When your interrupt is about to go off cooldown again, stop moving, wait for the cast, interrupt again and then start moving again.
On 10 man (not sure on 25) it's on a cooldown such that 1 melee can do all the interrupts. Same as tons of other stuff.
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That really sucks. My 10 man went through a period of 3 weeks where we literally went through 8 healers quitting. We're now barely keeping up in server progression but at least we didn't fall totally apart.
We haven't hit the burnout phase quite yet though... perhaps it was good luck to start at the end of January instead of right out of the gates.
Ok, I know what you mean. I am looking forward to some of the fights that are actually different, though, as opposed to Halfus and Chim which are just turned up to 11.
What sort of movement pattern are the add kiters going for? Is it "Move far enough away when shadowflame hits the ground, then stand still and don't die", or is it "Keep moving to try to keep one step ahead of the skellies for as long as possible"?
There's slowing of the adds going on, and I'm not entirely clear if that's beneficial - on the one hand it makes it easier to take less damage while they're being kited, but on the other it means they take longer to get away from the flame.
Our raid comp is War Tank, DK Tank, Hunter (me), pally heal, shammy heal, and a 3rd healer (another pally or priest), DK dps, 1-2 mages, boomkin, enhance shammy, rogue (I know that's more than 10, or dps gets swapped around depending on who is sitting that night).
I'm the one leading vent with the one healer, so 50% of the calls are made by me or the 1 healer.
MC's are handled by a dragon's breath by the mage. Always. If we have 2 mages, it's usually never an issue. If one of the mages get's MC'd I'll scatter or the priest will aoe scream or whatever. MCs are everyone's responsibility in our raid and that is known. The default is that we all stack tight on his butt and the mage takes one step back, dragons breath, cleanses go out, rinse repeat.
Add stage looks like this. I call ranged to break off. I MD add to tank. Tank interupts, mage interupts next, tank interupts 3rd depravitys. For 1st set of adds the ranged go back on cho and I solo the first 5 bloods. Spec'd into entrapment and engi bombs make it cake. 2nd set of adds it's me and 1 of the ranged 3rd set is all 3 of us. Cho goes in to phase 2 before the 4th fester blood.
If a ranged get's MC'd it is our shammy healer or us ranged's responsibility to get them out and get them cleansed. If it happens at a really bad time (I've been MC'd causing the adds to walk right through my traps) I call for melee to run back which they do and destroy the adds. If I'm MC'd the mage roots, slows, whatever to let the melee get in there.
As for the big add dieing that's just your dps have to dps harder
With 2 mages, MC's shouldn't be an issue with dragon's breath though.
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Key to phase 3 is just the add kiting. As long as your add tank can get them to sleep at least once its done.
For my 10 man, p1 adds are (ideally) all slept at the front pillar. Nef is 60ish at start of p3. Our MT (DK) tanks Nef in the middle while the add tank (pally) runs around the outer circle with a one of our healers.
Our MT flips Nef 180 degrees if add tank is getting near Nef's head. Raid runs through Nef's stomach if flames get close.
Since our add tank is a silly goose who doesn't use addons, I call out on vent when shadowflame timer is at 5secs. We don't use any slows. I assume by the way we do this that pally just tanks the adds and starts running when I call the timer or if flames get near.
If you're in a 25 man, nm.
Is the tail not dangerous? It sometimes feels like that damn swipe can hit people in Stormwind.
I haven't done it yet, but...is it worse than Felmyst?
Yes.
So much so.
The boss is just a massive pile of RNG death
Hope your tank is flawless.
We've been skipping Throne since the loot is so terrible, though we may go in this week just to get the Al'Akir checkmark (we haven't killed him yet).
His council isn't so bad, mostly because its stupidly easy, but by the time you reach al'akir no one wants his gear anymore. It would be like making Nef drop gloves or something.
Yeah, Conclave of Winds is a joke. We only really made one attempt on Al'Akir but people couldn't dodge tornados. I think if we actually spent some time we'd get him easy though. But yeah, his loot is just terrible. I'd like to get him just so we can say we are 11/12 instead of 10/12 :P After that, fuck him until he starts dropping tokens I guess