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Toxin01
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.....In my High School English Honors class.
About Gay Marriage.
In Southeast Tennessee. (Pro Gay-Marriage)
I was just wondering what sort of arguments I can expect against it. I -think- I've thought of a reply against anything, but I'd hate to get caught in something in front of the class.
So, anything the many angry southerns can pull over me?
About Gay Marriage.
In Southeast Tennessee. (Pro Gay-Marriage)
I was just wondering what sort of arguments I can expect against it. I -think- I've thought of a reply against anything, but I'd hate to get caught in something in front of the class.
So, anything the many angry southerns can pull over me?
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In all honesty, it'll be more "You are a fag. Fag.", I think.
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One of the more amusing ones I heard here in Virginia was that gay marriage would result in the loss of population and the ultimate end of the human race. I didn't expect that argument.
"Miss Teacher, do you believe in the separation of church and state?"
"Of course."
"And why do you not support gay marriage?"
"It is a sin"
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Also, if they're at all okay with civil unions (probably not in the South, I'd imagine) they could say "They have civil unions so they don't need marriages." Which I would counter with the Brown v. Board of Education, Topeka Kansas court decision which set forth the precent that 'separation is inherently unequal'.
This really just seems like a terrible thing to be debating in a high school class.
I've heard that one here in Georgia. I didn't know how to respond it.
The planet is overcrowded as it is, if gays were more open it's possible that it would actually force an equilibrium to humanity's overcrowding and end world hunger, but there aren't studies to prove that as of yet.
Bam.
I'm in SE TN, it's not THAT bad. I'm in college though, probably more open than the high schools. If it's a public school and anyone tries to call you on religious terms just tell them that this is a debate about a social contract put forth by the state they live in that is seperate from their own moral beliefs, and this is based less on sex and more on a governmental viewpoint, thus not the place for a religious viewpoint.
but yeah, in general, defending gay anything against religious folks is like banging your head against a brick wall. it's going to hurt, and you'll come out stupider in the end.
Counter with some other absurb verse from Leviticus, the more absurb the better, maybe raped women should be stoned? That's a good one.
If we let men marry men, men will want to marry turtles(why they always chose turtles, I'll never know.)
Counter with slippery slope arguments are invalid. Of course since they are high schoolers, they won't understand that. So you can tell them that turtles are not consenting adults that can enter into a legally binding contract(which is what marriage is)
The end goal of a marriage is to produce children.
Counter with something along the lines of "Why do we let infertile people or the elderly get married?"
It devalues marriage.
Counter with what devalues marriage more, a happily married couple or a divorced couple. Remind them that their are married gay people in this country and throughout the world. Has that made their parents marriage less valuable?
Animals don't have homosexual sex.
Counter with "Of course they do" and bring a couple of science papers discussing it, should be pretty easy to find.
Expect a whole lot of stupid outside of this. I can't even begin to think what some simpering idiots will think up on the spot. God speed my friend.
I would argue that gay people who are not allowed to marry today don't just (in most cases) go marry a straight person instead and have babies. So there would be no change if they were allowed to be married. They're not just waiting around for there to be a law that allows them to get married before deciding to be gay. Therefore marriage laws have nothing to do with population. Not like gay people are like "well shit I can't marry my gay partner legally right now, better go be straight and have kids instead!". Therefore, marriage has nothing to do with people having babies or not having babies.
In fact, more couples (gay or otherwise) provides more opportunity for adults to share the raising of children, which in general makes it easier to have and sustain more children. Lesbian couples are quite capable of getting pregnant, and gay men are quite capable of providing a home through adoption and surrogacy.
Firstly, if loss of population had shit all to do with marriage, then they're suggesting that straight couples should be or are forced into having children?? It's a choice whether or not to procreate, and like that choice, any couple, gay or not, should be allowed a choice to marry.
It's quite a ridiculous argument that we're going to die out, considering the number of single parents, overpopulation, second families after divorce, etc.
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