Why is alchemy all of a sudden useless? God, I'd keep it just for avoiding the annoyance of finding someone else to combine my pots. It's not godly like some other professions, to be sure, but it's not engineering, srsly.
Because a mild limit was applied, so it's absolutely useless now
/sarcasm off
Is there something that will show me exactly how much of one type of mat [leather, in this case] I have? I've already tried just dragging the mat onto my bar, but apparently Bongos disagrees with that solution [and I don't feel like ditching Bongos over this].
Well if you have a recipe that uses the mat you could look at it. As long as it's not 100+ it will show how much you have. Or you could... you know... count.
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Is there something that will show me exactly how much of one type of mat [leather, in this case] I have? I've already tried just dragging the mat onto my bar, but apparently Bongos disagrees with that solution [and I don't feel like ditching Bongos over this].
Baggins sorts all your items by type into separate windows (equip, consumable, gathered, trade, quest, etc). You can choose what windows to have open. So open only the gathered window.
So, I have a Warrior alt sitting at 20 and I'm going to start working on him again. I got him to 86 Blacksmithing on the notion that he could equip himself, but looking back at it now I think that was a dumb idea. Is there any reason to take a profession if I don't intend to repgrind at the endgame(PvP4life) and I have a 70 Mage to twink his gear as he levels? I'm thinking I should just take Skinning instead.
Indeed. both the two hand and the one hand weapons are among the best before you start raiding. There is one (!) two handed weapon in Karazhan with higher dps then the lowest weaponsmith tier one, and it drops from the last boss. Upgrade to tier 2 and you have a weapon equal to the arena weapons.
About an hour after entering Outland, and I'm 350 Mining. Hopefully by bedtime tonight, I'll hit 375. 375 is when Fel Iron goes green, so... should be about right.
Worst thing is that I STILL need more Thorium to start using Outland gems and materials -- but once I hit that point, boy howdy, I'll be ready. I have an entire gem bag full of mostly outland gems in my bank, ready to go.
BTW, I spent about 2 hrs there. Got 7 stacks of Fel Iron. 2 Primal Fires, and 2 Primal Earths. I prospected all but 3 stacks of Fel Iron, got a single blue gem for my trouble.
What sucks is that as far as I can tell, most of the decent JC recipies are rep rewards. =/
I'm not selling the gems, I need them for skillups. I might save some cash from selling the Primal Fires and buy another Gem bag + bag slot for my bank, though, It's full (save my Mining Bag, which I will fill with Fel Iron soon) as it stands.
About an hour after entering Outland, and I'm 350 Mining. Hopefully by bedtime tonight, I'll hit 375. 375 is when Fel Iron goes green, so... should be about right.
Worst thing is that I STILL need more Thorium to start using Outland gems and materials -- but once I hit that point, boy howdy, I'll be ready. I have an entire gem bag full of mostly outland gems in my bank, ready to go.
BTW, I spent about 2 hrs there. Got 7 stacks of Fel Iron. 2 Primal Fires, and 2 Primal Earths. I prospected all but 3 stacks of Fel Iron, got a single blue gem for my trouble.
What sucks is that as far as I can tell, most of the decent JC recipies are rep rewards. =/
yeah, now leveling mining is easy. god damn it sucked balls trying to level it when the xpac hit. The nodes were never up, and if they were, there was douchey mc tauren snapping it from you. that sucked sooo much
So how are you supposed to make money with JC? I have 375, and other then the odd customer from advertising in the city, my only means of income is buying stars of elunes for ~50-55, cutting them into Solid Stars and selling them for roughly 65g after the AH cut.
And fuck prospecting. I've probably spent like 250g-300g on adamantite ores and gotten some pretty crappy gems.
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So, I have a Warrior alt sitting at 20 and I'm going to start working on him again. I got him to 86 Blacksmithing on the notion that he could equip himself, but looking back at it now I think that was a dumb idea. Is there any reason to take a profession if I don't intend to repgrind at the endgame(PvP4life) and I have a 70 Mage to twink his gear as he levels? I'm thinking I should just take Skinning instead.
blacksmithing requires no rep grinds and gives you better then kara weapons for not much effort.
as long as you level up your bs while you level it's really painless too. getting from 300-350 in bs takes almost no mats as well and that's when you get your first set of epic weapons.
/edit: ok, with all the upgraded kara loot, slightly worse the kara weapons.
So how are you supposed to make money with JC? I have 375, and other then the odd customer from advertising in the city, my only means of income is buying stars of elunes for ~50-55, cutting them into Solid Stars and selling them for roughly 65g after the AH cut.
And fuck prospecting. I've probably spent like 250g-300g on adamantite ores and gotten some pretty crappy gems.
Well, it depends a lot on what faction you are (scryer or aldor), what rare gem cuts are available to you, and what the price of adamantite ore runs on your server. For reference, my jewelcrafter is a Scryer (so I have access to runed blood garnet and I think dazzling deep peridot, which Aldors won't have), I have at least three rare cuts for every type of gem except for Elunes (and the two I have suck, sometimes I just sell uncut elunes if the current price is high enough up there and don't bother cutting them), and a "good price" on adamantite ore is 20g per stack or less. If there's a solid supply, I will buy every single stack of ore that costs less than 21g, and prospect it all (usually this ends up being 10-12 stacks), I then go onto the AH and determine what the best cuts for the rares will be, cut them, and post them. Then I vendor the powder, since I've never been able to make money off of listing that on the AH and I will need the bag space shortly. Then I go through the uncommon gems one type at a time and try to figure out where I will make the most money. Usually, unless I got a lot of one single type of gem, I will cut all of my uncommon gems into the same cut. If I think I will flood the market, I'll split it between two cuts or only cut half and bank the rest for another day.
-Blood Garnets usually get cut into Runed Blood Garnets, or Delicate if the other Scryer gem cutters are having a price war, sometimes Bold, Bright, or Teardrop if there is no competition there. This is my "money" gem, when I prospect I always hope that if there aren't any rare gems, I at least get a Blood Garnet or two.
-Flame Spessarite is a hit or miss gem. Sometimes if the competition is low you can demand very nice prices for Inscribed or Potent, sometimes you can clean up if you have another cut all to yourself, sometimes it might just be worth your time to save those in the bank for the competition to die down.
-Golden Draenite is the one gem I'm never really happy to see in my prospects. Smooth and Brilliant seem the best cuts there, but since Golden Draenite has the "level up" gem cuts, the competition on the AH for these has a lot of the cuts hovering just above the 1g vendor price and I end up vendoring a lot of my uncut Golden Draenites.
-Deep Peridot is kind of like Flame Spessarite in the hit-or-miss department. Jagged and Enduring probably experience the highest demand, but sometimes they attract a lot of competition and I resort to some other cut.
-Azure Moonstone has exactly one decent cut, and that is Solid. Everything else is crap. If Solid is hovering around 1g consistently, then just vendor any azure moonstones you don't feel like banking.
-Shadow Draenite probably generates the second best prices per gem behind Blood Garnet for me. Glowing is a great cut, and so is Shifting. I believe Royal is an Aldor-only cut, and I haven't really followed its price on my server, but Sovereign is another "level-up" cut and sells for much less than Glowing or Shifting.
So there, you go. That's how I make money Jewelcrafting. I'm not sure if I can continue making money like this after the patch, but I think I can if the listing price for uncommon gems gets dropped along with the vendor price (60s is already a pretty harsh listing price for an item that often sells for less than 2g and vendors for 1g), or if the drop rate on rare gems from prospecting is increased by enough to compensate for the bottom potentially falling out of the uncommon gem market.
Hey awesome. I just tried posting like 8 runed blood garnets on the AH for 4g buy out and all but one sold within the hour. Good stuff, thanks for the tips. I've been avoiding listing stuff on the AH b/c of the deposit, but this looks like it'll work.
So I went LW on my BELF and am nearing 300 skill, should I even bother picking up a specialization (Tribal/Elemental/Whateverthefuckthethirdoneis) since the 375 stuff is non specialized? I really don't feel like doing those quests.
So I went LW on my BELF and am nearing 300 skill, should I even bother picking up a specialization (Tribal/Elemental/Whateverthefuckthethirdoneis) since the 375 stuff is non specialized? I really don't feel like doing those quests.
If you aspire to making one of the BoP epic sets you'll need to specialize...
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So I went LW on my BELF and am nearing 300 skill, should I even bother picking up a specialization (Tribal/Elemental/Whateverthefuckthethirdoneis) since the 375 stuff is non specialized? I really don't feel like doing those quests.
If you aspire to making one of the BoP epic sets you'll need to specialize...
The only one with a quest line attached to it is Tribal, if I'm not mistaken.
Which is useless to you as a rogue.
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The only one with a quest line attached to it is Tribal, if I'm not mistaken.
Which is useless to you as a rogue.
Elemental then? I heard the mats for elemental were ricockulous. Although I guess it's my only option since I'm definitely not doing the mail specialization. What is involved with elemental?
Bring 2 Heart of Fire, 2 Globe of Water, 2 Core of Earth, and 2 Breath of Wind to Brumn Winterhoof in the Arathi Mountains.
Completing this quest will give you access to the Elemental Leatherworking arts.
The completion of this quest will prevent you from learning Dragonscale Leatherworking and Tribal Leatherworking; be sure this is the path you wish to follow before doing so. Heart of Fire (2)
Globe of Water (2)
Core of Earth (2)
Breath of Wind (2)
As for the mats? They're fucking nuts for all the specs. However, you're at 51 and it should be noted that much of the stuff that was once LW specific can now be learned by all. I think all of the Sub-60 things at least.
"zip, i dunno what it is about you, but there's something very cat-like about your face. i can't really place it. you'd make a good mountain lion." Hail, Satan!Satans Post
Anyone else feel like crafting professions are a waste to level with your character? I can't help but feel like I get less frustrated if I just level with gathering profs to keep me rich, and then drop them for crafting stuff once money and transportation are easier to come by.
It used to be much much more, but with the release of TBC they made many of the formally specialized pieces available to leatherworkers of all walks of life.
So. 8 -shrug-
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Tailors only get three, and they're not complaining (anymore). Blacksmiths specialize according to one particular BoP item. What's your point?
And yes, I agree that crafting professions are a royal pain in the ass to level as your character levels, except for Alchemy. Alchemy is dirt cheap to level (relatively) and most of the crap you're making as you level is probably stuff you can use, unlike Blacksmithing, where you spend 1-300 throwing hundreds of gold worth of mats down a rat hole making useless items that nobody wants.
Man, Smithing and JC Post Outland is freaking nuts.
Just running around my secret super-safe hiding spot in Hellfire, I hit 350 JCing and 375 Mining. If I really wanted to push it I could probably make 355 - 360 JCing before these last few basic gem recepies hit grey, but to be honest what I really need from here on out is Adamantite -- and a LOT of it.
Bummer, eh?
The sad thing is there's STILL nothing that I'd be overwhelmingly desierious to wield. The ultra-high end Trinkets are great, though.
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Because a mild limit was applied, so it's absolutely useless now
/sarcasm off
How did you find it by the way? My lazy efforts proved fruitless.
multiplication + addition
It's on the right side here
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The WoW site has a PA comic gallery somewhere. I dunno, I just did some Googling.
I just prospected 5 ore and got nothing.
Now I remember why I was waiting.
Indeed. both the two hand and the one hand weapons are among the best before you start raiding. There is one (!) two handed weapon in Karazhan with higher dps then the lowest weaponsmith tier one, and it drops from the last boss. Upgrade to tier 2 and you have a weapon equal to the arena weapons.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Whisperwind&n=Xython
About an hour after entering Outland, and I'm 350 Mining. Hopefully by bedtime tonight, I'll hit 375. 375 is when Fel Iron goes green, so... should be about right.
Worst thing is that I STILL need more Thorium to start using Outland gems and materials -- but once I hit that point, boy howdy, I'll be ready. I have an entire gem bag full of mostly outland gems in my bank, ready to go.
BTW, I spent about 2 hrs there. Got 7 stacks of Fel Iron. 2 Primal Fires, and 2 Primal Earths. I prospected all but 3 stacks of Fel Iron, got a single blue gem for my trouble.
What sucks is that as far as I can tell, most of the decent JC recipies are rep rewards. =/
Downside: there will be a lot more gems on the market and thus prices will go down.
yeah, now leveling mining is easy. god damn it sucked balls trying to level it when the xpac hit. The nodes were never up, and if they were, there was douchey mc tauren snapping it from you. that sucked sooo much
And fuck prospecting. I've probably spent like 250g-300g on adamantite ores and gotten some pretty crappy gems.
GFWL: studaud (for SF4)
blacksmithing requires no rep grinds and gives you better then kara weapons for not much effort.
as long as you level up your bs while you level it's really painless too. getting from 300-350 in bs takes almost no mats as well and that's when you get your first set of epic weapons.
/edit: ok, with all the upgraded kara loot, slightly worse the kara weapons.
Well, it depends a lot on what faction you are (scryer or aldor), what rare gem cuts are available to you, and what the price of adamantite ore runs on your server. For reference, my jewelcrafter is a Scryer (so I have access to runed blood garnet and I think dazzling deep peridot, which Aldors won't have), I have at least three rare cuts for every type of gem except for Elunes (and the two I have suck, sometimes I just sell uncut elunes if the current price is high enough up there and don't bother cutting them), and a "good price" on adamantite ore is 20g per stack or less. If there's a solid supply, I will buy every single stack of ore that costs less than 21g, and prospect it all (usually this ends up being 10-12 stacks), I then go onto the AH and determine what the best cuts for the rares will be, cut them, and post them. Then I vendor the powder, since I've never been able to make money off of listing that on the AH and I will need the bag space shortly. Then I go through the uncommon gems one type at a time and try to figure out where I will make the most money. Usually, unless I got a lot of one single type of gem, I will cut all of my uncommon gems into the same cut. If I think I will flood the market, I'll split it between two cuts or only cut half and bank the rest for another day.
-Blood Garnets usually get cut into Runed Blood Garnets, or Delicate if the other Scryer gem cutters are having a price war, sometimes Bold, Bright, or Teardrop if there is no competition there. This is my "money" gem, when I prospect I always hope that if there aren't any rare gems, I at least get a Blood Garnet or two.
-Flame Spessarite is a hit or miss gem. Sometimes if the competition is low you can demand very nice prices for Inscribed or Potent, sometimes you can clean up if you have another cut all to yourself, sometimes it might just be worth your time to save those in the bank for the competition to die down.
-Golden Draenite is the one gem I'm never really happy to see in my prospects. Smooth and Brilliant seem the best cuts there, but since Golden Draenite has the "level up" gem cuts, the competition on the AH for these has a lot of the cuts hovering just above the 1g vendor price and I end up vendoring a lot of my uncut Golden Draenites.
-Deep Peridot is kind of like Flame Spessarite in the hit-or-miss department. Jagged and Enduring probably experience the highest demand, but sometimes they attract a lot of competition and I resort to some other cut.
-Azure Moonstone has exactly one decent cut, and that is Solid. Everything else is crap. If Solid is hovering around 1g consistently, then just vendor any azure moonstones you don't feel like banking.
-Shadow Draenite probably generates the second best prices per gem behind Blood Garnet for me. Glowing is a great cut, and so is Shifting. I believe Royal is an Aldor-only cut, and I haven't really followed its price on my server, but Sovereign is another "level-up" cut and sells for much less than Glowing or Shifting.
So there, you go. That's how I make money Jewelcrafting. I'm not sure if I can continue making money like this after the patch, but I think I can if the listing price for uncommon gems gets dropped along with the vendor price (60s is already a pretty harsh listing price for an item that often sells for less than 2g and vendors for 1g), or if the drop rate on rare gems from prospecting is increased by enough to compensate for the bottom potentially falling out of the uncommon gem market.
GFWL: studaud (for SF4)
If you aspire to making one of the BoP epic sets you'll need to specialize...
Son of a bitch.
And my BELF is a Rogue.
Which is useless to you as a rogue.
Elemental then? I heard the mats for elemental were ricockulous. Although I guess it's my only option since I'm definitely not doing the mail specialization. What is involved with elemental?
Bring 2 Heart of Fire, 2 Globe of Water, 2 Core of Earth, and 2 Breath of Wind to Brumn Winterhoof in the Arathi Mountains.
Completing this quest will give you access to the Elemental Leatherworking arts.
The completion of this quest will prevent you from learning Dragonscale Leatherworking and Tribal Leatherworking; be sure this is the path you wish to follow before doing so. Heart of Fire (2)
Globe of Water (2)
Core of Earth (2)
Breath of Wind (2)
As for the mats? They're fucking nuts for all the specs. However, you're at 51 and it should be noted that much of the stuff that was once LW specific can now be learned by all. I think all of the Sub-60 things at least.
Edit: Oh... http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.165.10658 I think that's a decent list of what only an elemental can make.
It used to be much much more, but with the release of TBC they made many of the formally specialized pieces available to leatherworkers of all walks of life.
So. 8 -shrug-
Tailors only get three, and they're not complaining (anymore). Blacksmiths specialize according to one particular BoP item. What's your point?
And yes, I agree that crafting professions are a royal pain in the ass to level as your character levels, except for Alchemy. Alchemy is dirt cheap to level (relatively) and most of the crap you're making as you level is probably stuff you can use, unlike Blacksmithing, where you spend 1-300 throwing hundreds of gold worth of mats down a rat hole making useless items that nobody wants.
Blacksmithing - Armoursmithing - Master Shield Smith (YES PLEASE) OR Master Armourer (ho ho!)
Master Armourer - (Can make repair hammers and Plate/Mail items for all most armour slots (not neck etc)
Master Shield Smith (makes shields DUH. tanking shields, pvp shields, MEAT shields, fun shields, guild shields (guild logo), pally shields, shaman shields, DRAGON SHIELDS! GOD SHIELDS!! SHIELD SHIELDS!!!!
Shields are fun
Just running around my secret super-safe hiding spot in Hellfire, I hit 350 JCing and 375 Mining. If I really wanted to push it I could probably make 355 - 360 JCing before these last few basic gem recepies hit grey, but to be honest what I really need from here on out is Adamantite -- and a LOT of it.
Bummer, eh?
The sad thing is there's STILL nothing that I'd be overwhelmingly desierious to wield. The ultra-high end Trinkets are great, though.