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Dark/Twisted fairy tales (movies)?

Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insultedwhen I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
edited March 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
That's right, what I'm looking for are movie adoptations of popular fairy tales with a dark twist/modern gritty fairy tales. Quality ones, anyway.

Movies I liked: Coraline (and all the other Stop-Motion movies), Pan's Labyrinth, Spirited Away

Movies I didn't like: Tim Burton's Alice, The Brothers Grimm

And related to the topic, what are the opinions on The Princess Bride and The Fall?

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Dunno if it's directly based on an actual fairy-tale but City of Lost Children is good.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Dunno if it's directly based on an actual fairy-tale but City of Lost Children is good.

    To clarify, movies only need to be fairy tale-esque, if that makes any sense.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Princess Bride is awesome and loved by everyone who has ever seen it. There was another movie that was similar in style released a couple of years ago that I liked, but I can't remember the name. You might also like The Neverending Story.

    edit: Stardust is the movie I was thinking of that is similar in style to The Princess Bride. There's also yet another that I saw within the last 1-2 years on TV (so it could be somewhat older) that I can't think of... girl lived in New York or the like, sucked into fantasy world, falls in love, saves world, has to chose to live in her world in the end... wtf was that?

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Dunno if it's directly based on an actual fairy-tale but City of Lost Children is good.

    To clarify, movies only need to be fairy tale-esque, if that makes any sense.

    Understood. Then yeah, City of Lost Children. Was hoping it was on netflix instant queue, but I just checked. No dice.

    I'll try to think of more while I do boring spreadsheets.
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    You might also like The Neverending Story.

    That movie doesn't age super well, so if there's no nostalgia factor it might not work out. I guess give it a shot anyway, but always keep in mind when it was made.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    You might also like The Neverending Story.

    That movie doesn't age super well, so if there's no nostalgia factor it might not work out. I guess give it a shot anyway, but always keep in mind when it was made.

    Well, I already hated these movies when I was a kid. :P

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    The Princess Bride is awesome and loved by everyone who has ever seen it.

    Except my wife. :(
    But maybe it's because she was a fresh foreign exchange student at the time. With 5 additional years of Americanization maybe she'll appreciate it more now.

    Also, Startdust was OK. The book was much better.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I liked Stardust, but I never read the book. I didn't even know what it was when I went in... the wife and I had nothing to do so went to see a movie. Something went wrong, so we couldn't see what we wanted, so we randomly picked Stardust. I had really low expectations and so was pleasantly surprised.

    I think the third movie I was thinking of was MirrorMask. The wikipedia entry isn't 100% what I remember, but seems very close, so either it's the same movie or it's a 4th movie, because I've definitely seen MirrorMask and enjoyed it.

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  • guarguar Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    I liked Stardust, but I never read the book. I didn't even know what it was when I went in... the wife and I had nothing to do so went to see a movie. Something went wrong, so we couldn't see what we wanted, so we randomly picked Stardust. I had really low expectations and so was pleasantly surprised.

    I think the third movie I was thinking of was MirrorMask. The wikipedia entry isn't 100% what I remember, but seems very close, so either it's the same movie or it's a 4th movie, because I've definitely seen MirrorMask and enjoyed it.

    MirrorMask is a Jim Henson film, if that means anything. You would probably call it a more modern "fairy tale," but it's rather enjoyable nevertheless.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Definitely MirrorMask.

    Not only is it just what you're looking for, it has some of the best special effects I have ever seen.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Stardust may not be dark enough, not sure. I guess if Princess Bride is part of the convo, then Stardust should definitely be considered. I liked it, it was good.

    And yeah, Mirrormask is good stuff too. I mean, it's essentially Labyrinth, with slight differences and modern special effects. And Dave McKean's art is awesome. It translated really well into live-action form.

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  • mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Pan's Labyrinth is pretty fairy-tale-esque in my opinion, while remaining sufficiently dark.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    TThere's also yet another that I saw within the last 1-2 years on TV (so it could be somewhat older) that I can't think of... girl lived in New York or the like, sucked into fantasy world, falls in love, saves world, has to chose to live in her world in the end... wtf was that?

    The 10th Kingdom. Probably. Not at all dark, though.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Non-dark movies are fine too, as long as the movie is targeted to adults rather then children (or is enjoyable enough for both).

    And I just read that MirrorMask was written by Neil Gaiman, so now I absolutely have to see it.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Stardust sucked, imo.
    Mirrormask was awesome.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    mechaThor wrote: »
    Pan's Labyrinth is pretty fairy-tale-esque in my opinion, while remaining sufficiently dark.

    Yeah, it's in his OP already.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Non-dark movies are fine too, as long as the movie is targeted to adults rather then children (or is enjoyable enough for both).

    And I just read that MirrorMask was written by Neil Gaiman, so now I absolutely have to see it.

    Stardust is Gaiman too. Based on a short story type thing he wrote. Geared somewhat to younger audiences but good for adults too. That's pretty much his MO when it comes to writing most stories for children/young adults anyway.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    The Princess Bride is awesome and loved by everyone who has ever seen it.

    Except my wife. :(
    But maybe it's because she was a fresh foreign exchange student at the time. With 5 additional years of Americanization maybe she'll appreciate it more now.

    Also, Startdust was OK. The book was much better.

    Actually, Stardust was the one time where I thought the movie vastly improved on the book. Gaiman has this thing about not really establishing a characters motivation very well; sometimes they just do things for no real reason. Stardust is a prime example of that (the book, not the movie).

    For a modern take on a fairy tale I would recommend the movie Freeway, with Reese Witherspoon and Keifer Southerland. It's a modern take on Little Red Riding Hood, and something about it is just awesome.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Motorama is a pretty great modern fairy tale, as is Wristcutters.

    I loved Mirrormask, but the music was AWFUL. Smooth jazz. Ugh.

    You would also probably like Neverwhere. It was a six episode mini-series in England. It's also written by Neil Gaiman.

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  • starmanbrandstarmanbrand Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I came in here to recommend Pinocchio's Revenge, but then I saw the "Quality" in your OP.

    Oh well.

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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Sentry wrote: »
    Gaiman has this thing about not really establishing a characters motivation very well; sometimes they just do things for no real reason.

    I never really thought about that before, but it's true. Sometimes that feels like a good thing, other times, not so much. I liked it in American Gods. You have to sort of fill in the blanks yourself of what Shadow thinks and feels.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I came in here to recommend Pinocchio's Revenge, but then I saw the "Quality" in your OP.

    Oh well.

    And now I googled it ... yep, that's dark and twisted alright.

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  • SaddlerSaddler Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Non-dark movies are fine too, as long as the movie is targeted to adults rather then children (or is enjoyable enough for both).

    And I just read that MirrorMask was written by Neil Gaiman, so now I absolutely have to see it.


    In that case, I actually enjoyed Enchanted. It's not very dark, but it's cute and funny.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Labyrinth

    I've heard good things about "The Dark Crystal," but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Saddler wrote: »
    Non-dark movies are fine too, as long as the movie is targeted to adults rather then children (or is enjoyable enough for both).

    And I just read that MirrorMask was written by Neil Gaiman, so now I absolutely have to see it.


    In that case, I actually enjoyed Enchanted. It's not very dark, but it's cute and funny.

    wiki says it's a fantasy-musical film? o_O

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  • InkSplatInkSplat 100%ed Bad Rats. Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Labyrinth

    I've heard good things about "The Dark Crystal," but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

    You should seriously rectify that. The Dark Crystal is fantastic.

    Also, if it doesn't have to be an actual fairy tale, I'd like to throw Dark City into the ring.

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  • JansonJanson Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Well, based on your OP I liked and disliked the same movies as you and I'd just like to say, Mirrormask is good, I really, really loved Stardust (but it's not very dark at all) and the 10th Kingdom was awesome (and did have some rather dark scenes).

    Both Mirrormask and Stardust were written by Neil Gaiman - well, Stardust was adapted from his book.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I hated The Dark Crystal. It's just not FOR me.

    LEGEND
    The Black Cauldron
    Willow

    edit: If you like anime

    Samurai Champloo
    Record of Lodoss War

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    Samurai Champloo

    Err, explain this please - isn't it just about a bunch of Samurais in medieval Japan?

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    Samurai Champloo

    Err, explain this please - isn't it just about a bunch of Samurais in medieval Japan?

    Not exactly. It's a pretty odd story. It's about a convict swordsman, a little girl trying to find her father and a trained swordfighter/samurai.

    It reminds me a lot of Cowboy Bebop in that there's some really fucked up shit that you can't help but be amazed at.

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  • DuoRCNDuoRCN Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Check out Ink. Seems to be related to what you're looking for.

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  • Patrick RipollPatrick Ripoll Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jan Svankmajer's "Little Otik" (Otesánek in it's native Czech) is probably my favorite of this genre. It's about a married couple who can't conceive, so the husband makes a kid out of a log. Of course, the kid comes to life with a thirst for blood and things get very complicated.

    Jan puts his insane stop-motion animation to amazing use to give the tree-creature life, and the rest of the movie has his typical insane sense of humor. It's hilarious, creepy, and utterly bizarre. Everything it sounds like you're looking for.

    EDIT: Also, if you like Pan's Labyrinth, you need to see Guillermo del Toro's Cronos. It's technically a vampire movie, but it's approach to vampirism is very much a fantasy approach, where it stems from alchemy rather than the supernatural, and it's just an AMAZING movie. All of Guillermo del Toro's films are great (and similar in tone), but Cronos is my favorite.

    EDIT EDIT: And the hyperactive Tony Scott-esque action movie Running Scared (2006) is worth mentioning for it's bizarre Brother's Grimm approach to the inner city. It's kind of hard to describe, but the movie is essentially a retelling of Jack and the Beanstalk. Sort of.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jeunet's City of Lost Children is good, but I think Delicatessen is better.

    But that begs the question -- for you, does "Fairy Tale" mean it involves children/young people?

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  • Patrick RipollPatrick Ripoll Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I think City of Lost Children fits that "fable/fairy tale" type of definition a little better than Delicatessen.

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Sentry wrote: »
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    The Princess Bride is awesome and loved by everyone who has ever seen it.

    Except my wife. :(
    But maybe it's because she was a fresh foreign exchange student at the time. With 5 additional years of Americanization maybe she'll appreciate it more now.

    Also, Startdust was OK. The book was much better.


    For a modern take on a fairy tale I would recommend the movie Freeway, with Reese Witherspoon and Keifer Southerland. It's a modern take on Little Red Riding Hood, and something about it is just awesome.

    That was going to be my suggestion as well, a bit surprised that anyone else had thought of it.

    If you get really stuck for options, which it doesn't look like you will, there's also a certain Red Riding Hood element to Hard Candy, but it's not exactly fairy tale-esque.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Jimmy King wrote: »
    TThere's also yet another that I saw within the last 1-2 years on TV (so it could be somewhat older) that I can't think of... girl lived in New York or the like, sucked into fantasy world, falls in love, saves world, has to chose to live in her world in the end... wtf was that?

    The 10th Kingdom. Probably. Not at all dark, though.

    Not dark, but definitely geared more for adults. I thought it was actually pretty good. Older than 1-2 years, though, it was from around the turn of the century. That feels weird to say.

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  • LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I loved Enchanted. I wouldn't call it twisted or dark, but it did have a Disney-esque scene with animal friends cleaning up an apartment. Except, as it was NYC, the animals were rats, flies, and cockroaches.

    Princess Bride, Labyrinth, Stardust, and Dark Crystal are amazing.

    I thought Black Cauldron sucked (if we're talking about the animated Disney movie), but maybe that's because I'd read the books, which they butchered.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    EggyToast wrote: »
    Jeunet's City of Lost Children is good, but I think Delicatessen is better.

    But that begs the question -- for you, does "Fairy Tale" mean it involves children/young people?

    I'd say no - take Burton's Alice for instance, who is 20 in the movie. It just so happens that many of the lead roles in this kind of movie are young characters.

    I'll try to compile a list of all the suggestions so far:

    City of Lost Children
    Stardust
    MirrorMask
    Labyrinth
    The 10th Kingdom
    Motorama
    Wristcutters
    Neverwhere
    Enchanted
    Labyrinth
    Freeway
    The Dark Crystal
    Dark City
    LEGEND
    The Black Cauldron
    Willow
    Samurai Champloo
    Record of Lodoss War
    Ink
    Little Otik
    Cronos
    Running Scared
    Delicatessen
    Hard Candy
    The Neverending Story
    Pinocchio's Revenge
    Hellboy 2

    Oh, I'm pretty sure that some of these movies don't either fit into the "fairy tale" or "quality" department, but it looks like a good list to me. Anything I'm missing?

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Alfred J. Kwak got basically everything except for Hellboy II which is a pretty good movie (Hellboy not so much but you can watch it if you want to know what's going on).

    I'll also just reiterate The Dark Crystal, Dark City, Willow, Labyrinth, and Mirrormask.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2010
    The Princess Bride

    Is a fucking great movie.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Sheep wrote: »
    The Princess Bride

    Is a fucking great movie.

    Yeah, I moved it to the top of my 'to see'-list since everyone is telling me that. What about The Fall, though?

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