Speed of bullet != Lethality, not necessarily the size of the bullet either. And more powerful round with more range does not mean it's more accurate.
As for the ingame advantages Goomba has already stated them. You might argue they're not perfectly balanced but they're pretty clearly there.
Haha, yeah, ok, because a giant honking bullet moving twice as fast as a much smaller bullet will somehow be less deadly to anything it touches.
An M95 will absolutely be more accurate over longer ranges because the M95 can fire accurately farther than the M24 can even reach (though I don't think those ranges are really present in the game). Plus, a heavy bullet isn't as affected by wind. Plus, firing from a much heavier, more stable rifle platform. Which is irrelevant anyway because sniper rifles are tooled to ridiculous specs with virtually no unknowns to allow for inaccuracy.
Not to mention people don't get "injured" by .50 cal rifle shots, they either die quickly or very quickly. The M24 and M95 are, in-game, functionally almost identical (two hits per kill) save that the M95 is less accurate and fires more slowly. If they boosted the M95 damage against light vehicles and choppers or something like that, okay, maybe worth using. As it is, you're always going to be better off with the fast, more accurate rifle, i.e., the M24.
Of course people who get shot by .50 cal rounds die, people who get shot by military grade weaponry dies.
But if bullet speed and size is everything, you seriously believe a high speed rifle with an AP round would do more damage to a human body than a slow moving hollowpoint? You want the round to hit it's target, and then stay in the body for maximum damage, rounds that fire straight through does way less damage than the ones that stay and rips your innards to peices.
And yeah, i will never argue against the fact that the m95 is underpowered compared to other rifles such as the m24 or the GOL. We don't want a one-shot rifle though, never.
It's kind of funny to see the M60/LMG nerf cries in BF:BC2...deja-vu BF:Vietnam and BF2 all over again.
At least with BC2, it takes a modest amount of grinding to get the M60 unlocked, and the "overpowered" part of the current M60 isn't nearly as bad as in Vietnam, where it was a hip-fire run and gun murder machine that could also snipe.
I have to admit, I'll be a bit sad when the inevitable M60 nerfing comes, because that was my TO weapon for years in the real world...I'm quite fond of the hog and enjoy using it in games when it's available.
I remember that shit. The M60 was insanity when BF: V first came out.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
So what is the trick to getting consistent performance out of the Engineer guns?
Use a shotgun or get closer. Engineer's weapons are smgs so don't expect much in the way of mid to long range accuracy.
I do often grab the Saiga if the fighting is especially close quarters, but usually I stick with the SCAR, though I'm really close to unlocking the AKS-74U
Also, don't be afraid to introduce your enemies to your best friend Carl Gustav. He may have a preference for armored vehicles, but he can still turn infantry into paste (especially if they're behind walls).
Come from behind. Most of the time you will lose against a medic or assault unless you have the drop on them. If you're not fixing a vehicle or blasting a building with RPG's, you should be trying to flank.
Also, got my "Dentist" achievement! Headshot with the drill off a camping *%^#$ recon!
Use mines, damn you all. It's like free tank kills ALL the time! No really, I lay down a 6-pack in separated 3-mine triangles and it's two almost guaranteed vehicle kills.
I do! when defending that's my first two lives at least, sprinkling little cookies of death all over the place. I wish it didn't take two lives, but assaults NEVER DROP AMMO.
Sides, he was asking about the engi guns.
Even when they do drop ammo, doesn't it only replenish your main weapon? I can't say I've ever noticed the ammo packs replenishing my rockets.
Well fellow swede sounds like you don't have emergency horns on your building.
We have, they are tested on mondays according to some timetable and this recent monday was test-time. First time they sounded ingame I had to take of my head-phones the because I thought something had happened.
I think I play Engi different than you guys. Medic and Assault always stick somewhat close to the action while my Engi is my ninja. I run around, lie in wait of tanks and blast them with my RPG or put out mines for them to run over, and I take out any foot soldiers that run by.
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From time to time I stick a shotty or a Tommy on my Recon and turn THEM into my ninja class. I love sneaking behind enemy lines and calling in mortar strikes on targets a few feet away from me.
Interesting actually, according to that chart the m95 retains its damage over longer ranges compared to the other rifles (except t88).
Which is totally realistic!
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acidlacedpenguinInstitutionalizedSafe in jail.Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
that's the way to do it Satsumomo.
take a few moments to put red dot and/or acog on the VSS and run around pretending you're an engineer for the lulz.
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I think it's kinda BS that M95 and M24 have similar distance drop-offs. Either way if you're a good enough sniper the difference doesn't really matter. . . that and if you're playing recon, you should be running around with VSS or 20K, throwing motion sensors and laughing as you're clearly the superior CLOSE RANGE class. . . well, until some asshole medic shows up with an M60 and slaughters you the same at 20m or 20km, it's all the same to him.
reVerse: Yes, ammo boxes replenish rockets until the box dries up
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WarcryI'm getting my shit pushed in here!AustraliaRegistered Userregular
edited March 2010
I have become a far more effective recon than I ever was before, simply by using the VSS with 4x. The thing is amazing, but make sure you're surrounded by ammo boxes.
Use mines, damn you all. It's like free tank kills ALL the time! No really, I lay down a 6-pack in separated 3-mine triangles and it's two almost guaranteed vehicle kills.
I do! when defending that's my first two lives at least, sprinkling little cookies of death all over the place. I wish it didn't take two lives, but assaults NEVER DROP AMMO.
Sides, he was asking about the engi guns.
Wait what? Why die twice? I just use the explosives spec to give me double the capacity and I get to place all 6 on the first go.
Also, I like just setting up a little assault nest for myself, plopping down an ammo box, and just spamming nades over a nearby hill. Tube launched AND hand thrown! Box apparently replenishes both.
I wish I could do the Soldier voice so I yell at magets for doing stupid crap like making half the team sniping recon or not pushing on an MCOM.
Isn't that how you're supposed to play? Like four or five recons sniping from the same spot.
I always feel really bad only playing recon. It's my favorite class, but when half my team is recon and being completely worthless, I sometimes don't change.
Me too actually. I do try to stay away from other RECONs at least. And I love tapping that SPOT key. I think I may re-bind it to a mouse button to make it easier. I have ventured into the other classes a little bit. I'm more likely to when I'm on the assaulting team. When defending I just love being recon, planting some C4, spotting and shooting people from far away and then rushing in with my pistol when someone plants a charge.
I'll switch it up a bit more from here on out if my team is littered with recons though.
Oh God, people not pushing Mcoms. I had a game yesterday where I felt I was doing everything by myself. It's on that jungle map that has FIVE pairs of mcoms, so it takes a good long while to finish. I single-handedly took out 5 of them myself, just basically getting there as fast as possible, planting, and snuggling up in a corner with my rifle pointed out and throwing a grenade after 10 seconds. We got all the way to the final Mcom, but still lost when they all huddled around it and nobody else could even get close to the damn thing. >< Got my first MVP for my team though.
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Well fellow swede sounds like you don't have emergency horns on your building.
We have, they are tested on mondays according to some timetable and this recent monday was test-time. First time they sounded ingame I had to take of my head-phones the because I thought something had happened.
I'll give them that - I did the same because they just sound so loud compared to everything else.
When will the damn EA servers be up? I need my BF patch!!!
Just picked this up will be on later to shoot some bitches, are the servers down for the 360?
I'm gonna tell chat how terrible you are.
Oh no reason to tell them when you can show them, I mean honestly I'm one of the worst fps players around, but much like you and english I keep trying.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited March 2010
Ooo that's not good... So I was able to finally connect and all the servers were empty. Being bored as hell I just decided to join the PA West server for shits and giggles so I could run around and just blow crap up. After the round was over I got points and ribbons. EA should patch that hole right up so people can't just boost to the moon on empty servers, make there be a base number of people before you can start earning credit.
Ooo that's not good... So I was able to finally connect and all the servers were empty. Being bored as hell I just decided to join the PA West server for shits and giggles so I could run around and just blow crap up. After the round was over I got points and ribbons. EA should patch that hole right up so people can't just boost to the moon on empty servers, make there be a base number of people before you can start earning credit.
How did you get on? I thought people couldn't connect.
Ooo that's not good... So I was able to finally connect and all the servers were empty. Being bored as hell I just decided to join the PA West server for shits and giggles so I could run around and just blow crap up. After the round was over I got points and ribbons. EA should patch that hole right up so people can't just boost to the moon on empty servers, make there be a base number of people before you can start earning credit.
How did you get on? I thought people couldn't connect.
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Of course people who get shot by .50 cal rounds die, people who get shot by military grade weaponry dies.
But if bullet speed and size is everything, you seriously believe a high speed rifle with an AP round would do more damage to a human body than a slow moving hollowpoint? You want the round to hit it's target, and then stay in the body for maximum damage, rounds that fire straight through does way less damage than the ones that stay and rips your innards to peices.
And yeah, i will never argue against the fact that the m95 is underpowered compared to other rifles such as the m24 or the GOL. We don't want a one-shot rifle though, never.
I remember that shit. The M60 was insanity when BF: V first came out.
Even when they do drop ammo, doesn't it only replenish your main weapon? I can't say I've ever noticed the ammo packs replenishing my rockets.
We have, they are tested on mondays according to some timetable and this recent monday was test-time. First time they sounded ingame I had to take of my head-phones the because I thought something had happened.
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From time to time I stick a shotty or a Tommy on my Recon and turn THEM into my ninja class. I love sneaking behind enemy lines and calling in mortar strikes on targets a few feet away from me.
It's pretty decent at close range but you'll throw it away when you get the next unlock, pp-2000
Which is totally realistic!
take a few moments to put red dot and/or acog on the VSS and run around pretending you're an engineer for the lulz.
edit:
I think it's kinda BS that M95 and M24 have similar distance drop-offs. Either way if you're a good enough sniper the difference doesn't really matter. . . that and if you're playing recon, you should be running around with VSS or 20K, throwing motion sensors and laughing as you're clearly the superior CLOSE RANGE class. . . well, until some asshole medic shows up with an M60 and slaughters you the same at 20m or 20km, it's all the same to him.
Urgh, I just got this installed too.
Wait what? Why die twice? I just use the explosives spec to give me double the capacity and I get to place all 6 on the first go.
Also, I like just setting up a little assault nest for myself, plopping down an ammo box, and just spamming nades over a nearby hill. Tube launched AND hand thrown!
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Was just playing a bit and goddamn it's painful with random 'tards.
You talk clean and bomb hospitals, so I speak with the foulest mouth possible
That's so weird, I've never noticed it happening. And I do use my RPG quite liberally.
What a shame.
Also, EA servers need to come back up so we don't roll this thread over in a matter of minutes. . .
Me too actually. I do try to stay away from other RECONs at least. And I love tapping that SPOT key. I think I may re-bind it to a mouse button to make it easier. I have ventured into the other classes a little bit. I'm more likely to when I'm on the assaulting team. When defending I just love being recon, planting some C4, spotting and shooting people from far away and then rushing in with my pistol when someone plants a charge.
I'll switch it up a bit more from here on out if my team is littered with recons though.
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I seriously hope that was internet sarcasm...
Otherwise go back to CoD... that's a terrible idea.
Think it was the most epic game I ever played.
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It can't be that hard to fiiiiiiix. Server stability be damned.
no it was no joke, also recon should be able to get akimbo sawed off shotguns.
edit: I still hope they fix the UAV inverted-ness.
You....
I got my eye on you
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Did you see the pool? THEY FLIPPED THE BITCH!
That's a bug.
I'm gonna tell chat how terrible you are.
I'll give them that - I did the same because they just sound so loud compared to everything else.
When will the damn EA servers be up? I need my BF patch!!!
Oh no reason to tell them when you can show them, I mean honestly I'm one of the worst fps players around, but much like you and english I keep trying.
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I've seen a few people post their PSN names here in the thread. You might not be in the OP though.
PM Jaunty to get added to the PS3 list!
How did you get on? I thought people couldn't connect.
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Hehe I blew up a transport in singleplayer with the C4 and it made me think of that line when it did an A-Team spring through the air
I was hoping to get to play this tonight after spending twelve hours at work, I had something to look forward to.
But no, it was not to be. I'm going to bed. Maybe tomorrow night I'll get to play.
Curse you, EA!
I just did.