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Korean gamers are hardcore. Baby killin's and all.

EliminationElimination Registered User regular
edited March 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
I figured this might be the more appropriate place to stage such a discussion. But this was crazy.

I mean we all know how Koreans are really into their online games. Like, really really.

Well apparently these two parents decided raising a virtual baby in PRIUS Online (Like second life but Korean.) was more important than say....raising their real baby. So much so, they let their real baby die from starvation. Things like this are the reason that gamers still sometimes get a bad rep for being gamers. People like this, people like that WoW sock pooper, and like that other Korean guy who died from playing starcraft for like 2 days straight and died of starvation.

"The couple spent up to12 hours a day at internet cafes leaving their three-month-old daughter home alone at their apartment in Suwon, South Korea.

Cops say the couple had become obsessed with living online and neglected their real lives.

They raised an avatar baby through their profiles on a Second Life-style game called PRIUS, while their real daughter was given just one bottle of milk a day."


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How do people even end up like this? I mean i have friends who are totally hooked on WoW. But i've never met anyone even close to anything like this.

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    Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Lots of children suffer from neglect all the time because their parents are crazy. This is only an international headline because they channeled their craziness into online games, rather than, say, religious fundamentalism or good old substance abuse.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    What Bliss 101 said. This is hardly the first time a child has been utterly neglected by their parents. We had a case like this in Australia not to long ago - no computer games, but same story - parents who utterly neglected to feed their child.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yeah, this is no less or more stupid than praying your child back to life as opposed to, say, bringing them to the doctor

    Unfortunately one of these two sets of parents will be punished and one won't

    Hmmm

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    CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Korean news is reporting on this death in the context of a larger "game addiction" thing, also talking about a guy who killed his mother because she was nagging him for playing some game.

    But yeah, its only getting any extra attention because of the game aspect. There is plenty of child neglect happening everywhere everyday.

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    Mr BubblesMr Bubbles David Koresh Superstar Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ... people like that WoW sock pooper...

    I'm gonna regret this, but what?

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Mr Bubbles wrote: »
    ... people like that WoW sock pooper...

    I'm gonna regret this, but what?

    Poop socking. The act of doing nothing but playing a game for hours on end, most likely for an entire day.

    The name is a reference to pooping in a sock and peeing in a jar, such that you never have to leave the computer.

    Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't have thought a sock would be good for that.

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    How the hell can people get that addicted to playing video games?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    This has nothing to games.

    Irresponsible people will do irresponsible things.

    If there were no such things as games and some other arbitrary activity like... say... skiiing were just as easily accessible to them as games are now, then it would be skiing instead of games.

    For every gamer in Korea that kills themselves or someone else over a game, how many "non-gamers" are throwing their babies into dumpsters.

    End of line.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The new strange thing is always responsible for all of society's ills until the next new strange thing happens. Such is old people.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    The new strange thing is always responsible for all of society's ills until the next new strange thing happens. Such is old people.

    What do the futurists say the next strange new thing will be? Hoverboards?

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    The new strange thing is always responsible for all of society's ills until the next new strange thing happens. Such is old people.

    What do the futurists say the next strange new thing will be? Hoverboards?

    Sex with robots. I'd complain myself, but I'll be too busy having sex with a robot.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    The new strange thing is always responsible for all of society's ills until the next new strange thing happens. Such is old people.

    What do the futurists say the next strange new thing will be? Hoverboards?

    VR, cybernetics, posthumanism, holograms...

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Mr Bubbles wrote: »
    ... people like that WoW sock pooper...

    I'm gonna regret this, but what?

    Poop socking. The act of doing nothing but playing a game for hours on end, most likely for an entire day.

    The name is a reference to pooping in a sock and peeing in a jar, such that you never have to leave the computer.

    Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

    You would think they would just play on the toilet.

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    adejaanadejaan Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Well, one's legs have an annoying tendency to fall asleep if you sit on the toilet for too long, so...

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    GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't have thought a sock would be good for that.

    I suppose that depends on the consistency of the poop in questions. It doesn't make sense economically, though...a simple plastic bag is cheaper.

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    EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Corbius wrote: »
    The Korean news is reporting on this death in the context of a larger "game addiction" thing, also talking about a guy who killed his mother because she was nagging him for playing some game.

    But yeah, its only getting any extra attention because of the game aspect. There is plenty of child neglect happening everywhere everyday.

    That's really what i was gearing for with the post. Was more along the lines of how people can become -that- addicted to online games. I also dont understand why this stuff always happens in Korea and not over in NA. We have a lot of online gaming here too. It just seems we are not quite as hardcore. I guess it also doesn't help that many Korean online games are set up in a way that the player has to "grind" everything for long periods of time to progress. Over here people generally like to do some quests and have fun and log out in my experience.

    I wonder how that difference in the mentality behind online gaming between the two cultures sprung up? I mean grindy games tend not to do well here, but thats all they want over there.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited March 2010
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    I wouldn't have thought a sock would be good for that.

    I suppose that depends on the consistency of the poop in questions. It doesn't make sense economically, though...a simple plastic bag is cheaper.

    Well, generally plastic bags aren't laying around, and you are wearing two socks (usually), so...

    I guess what I am saying is "easy access"

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Don't they have a lot of internet cafes in Korea while everyone owns their own PC in America? If I had to go out a couple miles away from home to use the internet, I'd make sure I got everything I needed to do done at the internet cafe.

    ...but that doesn't really hold water. People can become addicted to online gambling as easily as they become addicted to gambling at casinos.

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I think the logical conclusion/response to this story was posted within the first ten posts. Humans tend to be flawed in a variety of ways resulting in odd behaviour. The fact that two people had similar flaws that lead to their child dying is the only note worthy aspect. That, and it's easier for society to blame video games than put money towards mental health solutions.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited March 2010
    the strangest thing about this is that there were two parents involved.

    like i can totally see how one unstable person could kind of get obsessed with some silly thing and neglect their baby.

    but this was two human adults who got so fascinated with a baby sim that they let their real baby starve to death.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    the strangest thing about this is that there were two parents involved.

    like i can totally see how one unstable person could kind of get obsessed with some silly thing and neglect their baby.

    but this was two human adults who got so fascinated with a baby sim that they let their real baby starve to death.

    A testament to PRIUS' quality? Yesterday I wouldn't have cared but now I kinda want to see what this game is all about ...

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    CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I believe they met in the game, so two unstable people found each other in their obsession of choice.

    They probably should never had a real baby in the first place.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited March 2010
    Corbius wrote: »
    I believe they met in the game, so two unstable people found each other in their obsession of choice.

    They probably should never had a real baby in the first place.

    well, in 95% of cases, addiction to online gaming essentially precludes sexual activity, so overall this is a problem that basically solves itself!

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    RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Talking about video games and addiction in a PA forum is like talking about alcoholism at a bar.

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    if you want to talk about addiction anywhere just talk to feral

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Saying this has nothing to do with video games is a little disingenuous. Hear me out before you base your response on that opening sentence.

    That doesn't mean video game addiction is the only way babies are neglected and left to starve.

    It means that in this specific case, two people who have an addiction to video games allowed that addiction to result in this outcome.

    Not all people who play video games are addicts. Not all people who play video games a lot are addicts. But there is such a thing, I think, and pretending it doesn't exist is silly. On the other side of the coin, taking this extreme situation and applying it to people who play video games as a whole is equally silly.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm not so sure - the baby dying because the parents were addicted to something as silly as videogames makes the whole thing more tragic. If the parents were addicted to heroin and half-conscious so they couldn't remember they had a baby, that's terrible. Substance abuse. But addiction to videogames is even worse - a videogame addict can't shake the draw of games but you'd think they'd get up and regularly feed pets and babies and such.

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    CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Well for one its not like the baby was in the next room crying while they were playing their PCs. From what I've read this couple spent almost all their time in one of the PC rooms playing their game, very rarely going home to feed the baby.

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    proXimityproXimity Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    There's a joke in here somewhere about people dying from Toyota's products...

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    proXimity wrote: »
    There's a joke in here somewhere about people dying from Toyota's products...

    A toyota is like a korean gamer, they just don't know when to stop. ???

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    CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    No, the terrible joke is a Korean gamer's baby crying "We require more vespene gas"

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    Space CoyoteSpace Coyote Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Corbius wrote: »
    The Korean news is reporting on this death in the context of a larger "game addiction" thing, also talking about a guy who killed his mother because she was nagging him for playing some game.

    But yeah, its only getting any extra attention because of the game aspect. There is plenty of child neglect happening everywhere everyday.

    That's really what i was gearing for with the post. Was more along the lines of how people can become -that- addicted to online games. I also dont understand why this stuff always happens in Korea and not over in NA. We have a lot of online gaming here too. It just seems we are not quite as hardcore. I guess it also doesn't help that many Korean online games are set up in a way that the player has to "grind" everything for long periods of time to progress. Over here people generally like to do some quests and have fun and log out in my experience.

    I wonder how that difference in the mentality behind online gaming between the two cultures sprung up? I mean grindy games tend not to do well here, but thats all they want over there.

    That isn't true. It would seem that when people kill over a game it depends on the type of game they play.

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    There are people in the world with highly addictive personalities. Their addiction of choice may vary, but they will make more or less the same bad decisions when under the grip of their chosen substance or activity. My sister-in-law is a recovering drug addict. She left her daughter alone numerous times to go out and score heroin, for example.

    Is there an epidemic of gamers neglecting their kids? I really doubt it. Extreme stories like this are fodder for the media, though.

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    corky842corky842 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Corbius wrote: »
    The Korean news is reporting on this death in the context of a larger "game addiction" thing, also talking about a guy who killed his mother because she was nagging him for playing some game.

    But yeah, its only getting any extra attention because of the game aspect. There is plenty of child neglect happening everywhere everyday.

    That's really what i was gearing for with the post. Was more along the lines of how people can become -that- addicted to online games. I also dont understand why this stuff always happens in Korea and not over in NA. We have a lot of online gaming here too. It just seems we are not quite as hardcore. I guess it also doesn't help that many Korean online games are set up in a way that the player has to "grind" everything for long periods of time to progress. Over here people generally like to do some quests and have fun and log out in my experience.

    I wonder how that difference in the mentality behind online gaming between the two cultures sprung up? I mean grindy games tend not to do well here, but thats all they want over there.

    That isn't true. It would seem that when people kill over a game it depends on the type of game they play.

    I think Elimination meant that people kill when they get pissed off in NA, where in Korea people die because they forget about food.

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    KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Did some dude on WoW actually poopsock? I thought that was just an untrue joke.

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    SipexSipex Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    Saying this has nothing to do with video games is a little disingenuous. Hear me out before you base your response on that opening sentence.

    That doesn't mean video game addiction is the only way babies are neglected and left to starve.

    It means that in this specific case, two people who have an addiction to video games allowed that addiction to result in this outcome.

    Not all people who play video games are addicts. Not all people who play video games a lot are addicts. But there is such a thing, I think, and pretending it doesn't exist is silly. On the other side of the coin, taking this extreme situation and applying it to people who play video games as a whole is equally silly.


    The problem here is most of us acknowledge that it exists but if we even slightly hint at it the world goes "OMFG SEE?! GAEMS R ADDICTIVE BAD STUFF THAT GAMER SAYS SOLOLPLOLO"



    ...I love portraying opponents as loud idiots.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I'm not so sure - the baby dying because the parents were addicted to something as silly as videogames makes the whole thing more tragic. If the parents were addicted to heroin and half-conscious so they couldn't remember they had a baby, that's terrible. Substance abuse. But addiction to videogames is even worse - a videogame addict can't shake the draw of games but you'd think they'd get up and regularly feed pets and babies and such.

    If you're addicted to something it impedes your normal life to the point where it becomes your life. It doesn't matter if it's drugs or a computer game. There's deep mental issues at play in any addiction case.

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    RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Is there an epidemic of gamers neglecting their kids? I really doubt it. Extreme stories like this are fodder for the media, though.

    Are there a lot of people neglecting a lot of other shit due to games? Absolutely.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Is there an epidemic of gamers neglecting their kids? I really doubt it. Extreme stories like this are fodder for the media, though.

    Are there a lot of people neglecting a lot of other shit due to games? Absolutely.

    Replace games with almost anything and that sentence holds true though.

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