That's really more an issue with Renegade as a whole and not this instance of it though. Shepard is a complete dick if you go renegade - but offing Shiala can be reasoned.
I always found the part before Shiala, where Shepard is given the choice to use the poison on the Thorian spores to be harder to reason.
Shep: Alright! We need to end this threat!
Scientist: But the Colonists!
Shep: If I save them, I will. But the mission comes first.
Scientist: But the Colonists you meany!
Shep: I can't waste time, there's a Galaxy to save.
Scientist: What if there were a way to release the mind control?
Shep: Tick tock tick tock.
Scientist: Oh right, I have this anti-toxin right here. Silly me.
Shep: Oh. Well...uh...[gravely] If there's time to use it I will.
Scientist: Just attach it to your grenades, and it'll do all the heavy lifting for you!
Shep: It's...uh....just that the gun's already in my hand, you see...
Grenades were a precious resource!
Really the only reason to kill the colonists is if you are playing an "evil Shepard" or a Shepard who just likes to see people die. Only reason.
And there is absolutely no reason the Turian should give you flack for doing something that dropped right into your hands. Stupid writing.
it's not stupid writing, the turian councilor just hates you
this couldn't be made any clearer if he branded a number of nearby moons with statements on shepard's questionable parentage, followed by his signature
Its stupid writing if you don't think politicians would act like sniveling little adolescents at every opportunity and try to put someone down for little to no tangible political gain.
If you want to be apologetic to Bioware, I can understand one saying he is gradually building a case against Shepard to the other Councilors. But I think thats stretching the motivations of a rather thin mustache twirling villain with a muzzle on.
I just figured the Turian conciliar was a bigot. Saren is/was a Turian, you are a human, ergo he treats you as poorly as possible within the bounds of decorum that his position allows.
All that said, it is fair to call the council a political entity, -it is largely a military one. They rule by might. Their history is fraught with conflict and wars. The powerful races are the council. A war between any two of those races would be devastating and the result would be uncertain, so they agree to work together. Any other race, regardless of it's seniority or economic might or scientific advancement would not be allowed to be a council race unless it could fight.
I thought it was pretty clear why the humans were being groomed to join the council next. They know how to kick ass and blow shit up good. The Krogan were a threat to all the council races and they cannot be effectively allied with, so they became a common enemy despite their assistance in the Rachni wars.
The council is inherently political, but the council members are chosen by their respective races -and by whatever means the races choose. By vote, arena combat, seniority, birthright, or whatever. There's no guarantee that the council is run by those who have the general consent of the governed.
The Volus ambassador was right. The Volus would never be allowed to join the ME1 council regardless of their contributions to interstellar trade and economics. The same of the Hanar and the Elcor. If they had a fleet large enough to control a few relays and threaten a council member fleet... well, I'm sure they'd be under consideration like the humans.
This is another reason why it never made sense to me that the new council (if you let the old council get wiped out) doesn't simply have a human member, but is implied to be human controlled. I don't think humans would be both politically and militarily dumb enough to piss off all the former council races to the point that they're threatening the stability of citadel space.
So can someone explain the dialogue in the Miranda romance scene?
I mean why the hell does she say "I only settle for the best" or something to that effect after Shep tells her that he figured she wouldn't settle for the captains quarters. Engineering, seriously? How is that "better" than the captains quarter? I must be a boring traditionalist, but usually a bedroom is more comfortable for nookie time than the cold hard floor of the frickin engineering room. I know they needed variety in these scenes, but that could have taken a bit more explanation or a quirkier reason.
So can someone explain the dialogue in the Miranda romance scene?
I mean why the hell does she say "I only settle for the best" or something to that effect after Shep tells her that he figured she wouldn't settle for the captains quarters. Engineering, seriously? How is that "better" than the captains quarter? I must be a boring traditionalist, but usually a bedroom is more comfortable for nookie time than the cold hard floor of the frickin engineering room. I know they needed variety in these scenes, but that could have taken a bit more explanation or a quirkier reason.
Sarcasm detector broken. They're comfortable enough with each other that they can joke about her "perfection complex".
If you thought the Talimancers were bad enough already...
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If it means more dialog and more Mass Effect, then I say bring it on, I don't give a crap about those Talimancer creeps. They can go off in a corner and be crazy while I play a great game.
If it means more dialog and more Mass Effect, then I say bring it on, I don't give a crap about those Talimancer creeps. They can go off in a corner and be crazy while I play a great game.
pretty much this. there's a whole galaxy out there, and i'm sure it will add something to all potential romances, not just the ones with the rabid fans.
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Anyway, I did kind of think it was lame that after finally romancing Miranda there was no more dialog with her or possibilities other than having her sit on my lap or on my bed in my quarters. Why can't we have more conversations or go for drinks, etc etc etc.
They should also have the relationship color additional missions, jealousy if someone else flirts with you for example.
I think you mean pikies. Pikers are probably some medievil milita dudes.
Weren't pikers the slang for people in Planescape:Torment?
Never played it. Did they like dags?
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"Duster" and "Birk" are the two insults I remember from TORMENT. What was the name of the talking skull companion ? He had all sorts of great dialogue.
You know what would make a great conversation ? The skull talking to the asari bartender.
That's really more an issue with Renegade as a whole and not this instance of it though. Shepard is a complete dick if you go renegade - but offing Shiala can be reasoned.
I always found the part before Shiala, where Shepard is given the choice to use the poison on the Thorian spores to be harder to reason.
Shep: Alright! We need to end this threat!
Scientist: But the Colonists!
Shep: If I save them, I will. But the mission comes first.
Scientist: But the Colonists you meany!
Shep: I can't waste time, there's a Galaxy to save.
Scientist: What if there were a way to release the mind control?
Shep: Tick tock tick tock.
Scientist: Oh right, I have this anti-toxin right here. Silly me.
Shep: Oh. Well...uh...[gravely] If there's time to use it I will.
Scientist: Just attach it to your grenades, and it'll do all the heavy lifting for you!
Shep: It's...uh....just that the gun's already in my hand, you see...
Grenades were a precious resource!
Really the only reason to kill the colonists is if you are playing an "evil Shepard" or a Shepard who just likes to see people die. Only reason.
And there is absolutely no reason the Turian should give you flack for doing something that dropped right into your hands. Stupid writing.
it's not stupid writing, the turian councilor just hates you
this couldn't be made any clearer if he branded a number of nearby moons with statements on shepard's questionable parentage, followed by his signature
Its stupid writing if you don't think politicians would act like sniveling little adolescents at every opportunity and try to put someone down for little to no tangible political gain.
If you want to be apologetic to Bioware, I can understand one saying he is gradually building a case against Shepard to the other Councilors. But I think thats stretching the motivations of a rather thin mustache twirling villain with a muzzle on.
I just figured the Turian conciliar was a bigot. Saren is/was a Turian, you are a human, ergo he treats you as poorly as possible within the bounds of decorum that his position allows..
i actually think the turian councillor is just the guy who's playing bad cop. somebody's gotta make a spectre with no legal restraints reflect about his actions and critically consider whether he made the best choice. hence, he criticises you either way you go on the rachni thing. it's not a great job being simon cowell, and shepard won't like you for it, but it's gotta be done.
So can someone explain the dialogue in the Miranda romance scene?
I mean why the hell does she say "I only settle for the best" or something to that effect after Shep tells her that he figured she wouldn't settle for the captains quarters. Engineering, seriously? How is that "better" than the captains quarter? I must be a boring traditionalist, but usually a bedroom is more comfortable for nookie time than the cold hard floor of the frickin engineering room. I know they needed variety in these scenes, but that could have taken a bit more explanation or a quirkier reason.
The captain's quarters doesn't have windows to four crew rooms (including Jacob's) for them to watch.
Judging by that and her vacuumed jumpsuit, she's apparently an exhibitionist!
I was watching some of the ME1 videos on youtube, mainly dialog with wrex, and between that and my interaction with him on Tuchanka, it really isn't fair to compare grunt to wrex.
Grunt's like a young, impulsive teenager that doesn't even know what he wants, other than to punch/headbutt things. Throughout the game, you help give him some foresight and turn him into a proper adult krogan.
Wrex, on the other hand, is already a battle-hardened veteran of a krogan, who has seen as much leadership as he has combat. As you learn more about wrex, you find out what made him the krogran he is, and you can then persuade him to change his ways (or just kill him on virmire, assholes).
That's like comparing ME1 Tali to ME2 Samara, their experiences are so drastically different that they can't be compared, regardless of any similarities.
I was watching some of the ME1 videos on youtube, mainly dialog with wrex, and between that and my interaction with him on Tuchanka, it really isn't fair to compare grunt to wrex.
Grunt's like a young, impulsive teenager that doesn't even know what he wants, other than to punch/headbutt things. Throughout the game, you help give him some foresight and turn him into a proper adult krogan.
Wrex, on the other hand, is already a battle-hardened veteran of a krogan, who has seen as much leadership as he has combat. As you learn more about wrex, you find out what made him the krogran he is, and you can then persuade him to change his ways (or just kill him on virmire, assholes).
That's like comparing ME1 Tali to ME2 Samara, their experiences are so drastically different that they can't be compared, regardless of any similarities.
i've heard remarkably few comparisons between the two, really
bioware did a good job making them two distinct characters
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no no, it's 'Saren'
also also
apparently bioware is considering the Mass Effect Love Plus Expansion Pack
/crosses fingers for romanceable EDI
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All that said, it is fair to call the council a political entity, -it is largely a military one. They rule by might. Their history is fraught with conflict and wars. The powerful races are the council. A war between any two of those races would be devastating and the result would be uncertain, so they agree to work together. Any other race, regardless of it's seniority or economic might or scientific advancement would not be allowed to be a council race unless it could fight.
I thought it was pretty clear why the humans were being groomed to join the council next. They know how to kick ass and blow shit up good. The Krogan were a threat to all the council races and they cannot be effectively allied with, so they became a common enemy despite their assistance in the Rachni wars.
The council is inherently political, but the council members are chosen by their respective races -and by whatever means the races choose. By vote, arena combat, seniority, birthright, or whatever. There's no guarantee that the council is run by those who have the general consent of the governed.
The Volus ambassador was right. The Volus would never be allowed to join the ME1 council regardless of their contributions to interstellar trade and economics. The same of the Hanar and the Elcor. If they had a fleet large enough to control a few relays and threaten a council member fleet... well, I'm sure they'd be under consideration like the humans.
This is another reason why it never made sense to me that the new council (if you let the old council get wiped out) doesn't simply have a human member, but is implied to be human controlled. I don't think humans would be both politically and militarily dumb enough to piss off all the former council races to the point that they're threatening the stability of citadel space.
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i gotta say, i dig her vibe. we're civil so far, mostly because i told her i don't trust cerberus farther than i can spit
she wants us to be pirates!
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Sarcasm detector broken. They're comfortable enough with each other that they can joke about her "perfection complex".
At least, that's what I got from it.
NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
If you thought the Talimancers were bad enough already...
[/shudder]
With this, the galaxy is for the borking.
If it means more dialog and more Mass Effect, then I say bring it on, I don't give a crap about those Talimancer creeps. They can go off in a corner and be crazy while I play a great game.
pretty much this. there's a whole galaxy out there, and i'm sure it will add something to all potential romances, not just the ones with the rabid fans.
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She'll make you a sandwich alright...
Anyway, I did kind of think it was lame that after finally romancing Miranda there was no more dialog with her or possibilities other than having her sit on my lap or on my bed in my quarters. Why can't we have more conversations or go for drinks, etc etc etc.
They should also have the relationship color additional missions, jealousy if someone else flirts with you for example.
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the entire relationship is her whispering sweet nothings in my ear
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You can have sex with vaginas!
You should be able to have sex with EDI's holographic vagina!
/sillygoose
I guarantee you somebody is already following this line of reasong.
i just lost at pit gambling ten times in a row, not even kidding
god damn krogan swindlers
did you make sure the varren you bet on was loyal
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Weapons: Telephone, Notepad, Heavy Pistol, Assault Rifle
Quarians: Gypsies:: Krogan: Pikeys (think Snatch)
Perfect? no, but it makes Wrex the Brad Pitt of Krogan, so I'm running with it.
Edit to correct "piker" into "pikey"
Periwinkle blue (rose of Illium)?
wait
can you make money off of these pits
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Weren't pikers the slang for people in Planescape:Torment?
Yes you can, however I've only ever made money by betting on Urz.
how much money are we talking
chump change or at least a k
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And urz wins every time, at least in the ten or so matches I tried him on. You get what, 500 per win or something like that?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
oh, that's nice. decent take.
is there a steroid/doping minigame to boost your odds? :winky:
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I mean Urz.
Never played it. Did they like dags?
You know what would make a great conversation ? The skull talking to the asari bartender.
i actually think the turian councillor is just the guy who's playing bad cop. somebody's gotta make a spectre with no legal restraints reflect about his actions and critically consider whether he made the best choice. hence, he criticises you either way you go on the rachni thing. it's not a great job being simon cowell, and shepard won't like you for it, but it's gotta be done.
that's all i know about the victories, but they are scripted and they go the same way i think
The captain's quarters doesn't have windows to four crew rooms (including Jacob's) for them to watch.
Judging by that and her vacuumed jumpsuit, she's apparently an exhibitionist!
And thus one of the best lines in the first game.
"Depends on the species...Turian."
well it's a videogame
being nice to the (fundamentally good) insect hordes is never not the best decision
in real life though? you fucking dumbass shepard. did you not see jurassic park
look
if things go well, you're now best friends with an army of psychic bug monsters
if things go badly, you get to kill an army of psychic bug monsters
that's win-win if i ever heard it
life... finds a.. way.
Wrex, on the other hand, is already a battle-hardened veteran of a krogan, who has seen as much leadership as he has combat. As you learn more about wrex, you find out what made him the krogran he is, and you can then persuade him to change his ways (or just kill him on virmire, assholes).
That's like comparing ME1 Tali to ME2 Samara, their experiences are so drastically different that they can't be compared, regardless of any similarities.
i've heard remarkably few comparisons between the two, really
bioware did a good job making them two distinct characters
grunt is always looking for fights
wrex knows the best fights will come to him