At 0 ArP, it sucks and is way worse than agi.
At 700ish ArP, it is about even with agi, maybe a bit worse.
At 1400 ArP, it is awesome and totally beats agi.
Or, basically, if you aren't really freaking close to 1400, it sucks.
Fancypants ICC people have enough ArP on their gear that they can gem for it and get a stone's throw away from 1400 without any procs.
Less-geared druids aim for the softcap, meaning [passive ArP] + [Grim Toll/Runestone/Scorpion proc] = 1400.
If you can't get at least in the 1100 range with our without procs, just go agi. (Though Scorpion is totally easy to get).
Oh, and of course, anything over 1400 is useless so don't go over. It's possible in ToC gear to softcap in nothing but agi gems.
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Also there is food that gives you +40 ArP. You can factor that into your considerations if you don't mind killing a lot of rhinos.
Just a quick question. I was asked to go Boomkin last night for our ICC raid, and I would like a quick mouseover macro for entagling roots for Saurfang's blood beasts. I admit to being a macroaholic, and the process of clicking the BB and then casting Roots to the having to retarget Saurfang is inelegant and annoying.
I'm usually stuck as boomkin on that fight for typhoon, and I never root anything. We have a lock drop shadowfury on them, then I typhoon them into the door right as they come out of it. We have a rogue hit them with FoK with crippling poison some time in there. The ranged DPS have assignments for which one to kill based on spawn positions, they're targeted and dpsing before I even cast typhoon. On 10 man it's a joke, just make sure they're slowed and have the ranged burn them down. You actually don't want to root the beasts, because if anyone is unlucky enough to be within reach of a rooted mob it will attack them regardless of aggro.
Yeah, with the buff at 25% your dps should be able to burn down the beasts without rooting them. What's better than having one rooted (since when rooted they lash out at anyone in melee range) is to have a lock "tank" one by getting aggro on it and then porting away when it gets close, assuming you have a lock.
Yeah, with the buff at 25% your dps should be able to burn down the beasts without rooting them. What's better than having one rooted (since when rooted they lash out at anyone in melee range) is to have a lock "tank" one by getting aggro on it and then porting away when it gets close, assuming you have a lock.
We're a pretty causual guild. This is Team 2 and we have a really unusual make up. New healer getting geared up and I was asked if I had a DPS spec. I said yes (and even with the 25% my dps was blegh). Hopefully we'll get further along tonight.
Woo, Battered Hilt dropped while I was running hHoR for the harpoon and the boots, and I won it! Quested for the weapon, so now I don't have to worry about getting a new weapon for quite a while.
I only need the boots from HoR and buy Bracers of Swift Death/get the bracers from hPoS now, then I'm done with gearing in heroics!
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Just a quick question. I was asked to go Boomkin last night for our ICC raid, and I would like a quick mouseover macro for entagling roots for Saurfang's blood beasts. I admit to being a macroaholic, and the process of clicking the BB and then casting Roots to the having to retarget Saurfang is inelegant and annoying.
Uh, why would you be retargeting Saurfang before the beasts are dead anyway? You should be switching to beasts to kill them, not rooting one and DPSing Saurfang.
Besides, you don't root the bloodbeasts, you burn them down and if they get close you typhoon them Why waste time casting a shitty spell, when you can just kill them instead, and get back to saurfang?
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I don't know, but PUG ranged DPS players just seem to be awful and make blood beasts seem like the most complicated and difficult boss mechanic ever. I don't have any end game range DPS characters I play now, so I've never gotten to experience it from that perspective, but is it really that damn hard to handle the beasts correctly?
Back with lower levels of the buff it was good to root a beast a little bit away from the melee so all of the dps could focus on one beast and then switch to the rooted one afterwards. Now though your dps is generally going to be able to split on the beasts and still get them down before they hit anyone.
Woo, Battered Hilt dropped while I was running hHoR for the harpoon and the boots, and I won it! Quested for the weapon, so now I don't have to worry about getting a new weapon for quite a while.
I only need the boots from HoR and buy Bracers of Swift Death/get the bracers from hPoS now, then I'm done with gearing in heroics!
Lucky dog, I've been working on gearing only to have my guild up and implode on me. What few folks are left only raid on nights that I'm working. 75 frost emblems and the only piece of T10 I can get right now (sans VOA) will break my 2T9 bonus. Queuing as DPS on my server is something like a 45 minute wait time on average.
Also: does anyone have a dps macro that is something along the lines of 'use macro=assist, use macro+alt=set assist'? I had one but it got lost in a reinstall of the game after a hard drive failure and now I can't remember for the life of me where I found it.
I ended up with the heroic 10m staff off of one of the Aboms when we killed them the other day, so now I don't need to worry about getting the Hilt to get my feral set (which is my third gearset after resto and balance) a weapon.
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/assist [nomod,@focus,help]
/focus [mod:alt,help]
This will set your focus to your current target if you press alt+button and your current target is friendly. If you just press the button it will assist your current focus, if it is friendly.
You could also splice this up with mouseovers for focus setting, or maybe a /clearfocus [mod:ctrl] to clear your focus.
This will set your focus to your current target if you press alt+button and your current target is friendly. If you just press the button it will assist your current focus, if it is friendly.
You could also splice this up with mouseovers for focus setting, or maybe a /clearfocus [mod:ctrl] to clear your focus.
This will work perfectly for my purposes, as is. I guess I should learn how to make macros but tbh this is the only one I'd use aside from my 'oh dear god no' button that I use for off tanking.
I wanna respec my 69 druid to Resto, for purposes of levelling through 5-mans (Feral is nice and all, but tanking as a bare is way too mindless) and for learning to Resto early on since that's what I plan to do at the endgame. I've been told to go with Glyphs of Swiftmend + Rebirth, since Swiftmend seems obligatory, and battle-rezzing tanks to full HP instead of a quarter would really help avert wipes (and because I only have two Major slots at this point).
Also: what about normal 5-man healing "rotation?" Am I just throwing up and maintaining 3x Lifebloom + Rejuv on the tank, plus spare Rejuvs on the dumb DPS?
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I don't think you need Rebirth. Get the Regrowth glyph instead and spam that on everyone. Lifebloom shouldn't be needed at all.
Yeah you want Swiftmend and Regrowth. Regrowth's your go-to heal before Nourish. You'll want to put Regrowth and Rejuv on the tank, using Regrowth again (overwriting the hot) whenever he needs a big heal dropped on him. You shouldn't need to rely on LB unless you've got an undergeared tank or your heals are underpowered. Rejuv on DPS if they won't die in the next few seconds or Regrowth if they will.
Gah I want to get my tree into our ICC runs and we do need another reliable healer what with the cluterfuckery of summer going on right now, but apparently our RL doesn't want to let my rogue sub out.
On the one hand it's cool you value the dps output i can do on my rogue, but on the other hand not only does my rogue not need anything out of 10man anymore but the sub we did make was to have a lower dps sit out and bring in their way undergeared priest whos barely competent at healing even though I've proven multiple times that my healing is up to the challenge
Keep the macro for Sindragosa, though. It doesn't do anything useful, but it does do something awesome if you put it on a Frost Tomb.
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I'm assuming it makes it invulnerable for 6 seconds?
Why would Entangling Roots make it invulnerable for 6 seconds?
Frost tombs are stationary mobs. Even though they don't move or attack, you can root them and CC them. If you cast Entangling Roots on a frost tomb, even though it doesn't technically do anything besides a tiny amount of damage before the roots are broken, the graphic is gigantic and you can surprise a lot of raid members with it if they're not expecting it. As an aside, the blocks can also be cycloned if you need to stop damage to one immediately.
I can't believe anybody actually looked at your spec at the beginning of an instance.
It's harder for Druids to hide that they're not healing specced than it is for priests or shamans. Eventually someone is going to wonder why you're not in tree form.
Boy, it sure is amazing how many people immediately bitch when you join a group as a healer without being fully heal-specced. This is at level 70.
As long as your balance for Droods or Elemental for Shamans I wouldn't have a problem.
I really don't want to see a ret paladin or an enhancement shaman or a bear healing anything over SFK though. :P
I used to run with an enhancement shaman that would heal me through all the heroics before ToC/ICC as enh. Not since the days of BWL have I used Innervate so much!
I was doing some early 70's dungeons and we kept wiping despite the tank being good, the dps not overburning the trash and the heals being on time. Then I noticed how weak the heals were so I inspected.
Yep, full feral/rogueish gear on the Drood. :P
At least enhancement has some stuff that adds to spellpower and other casty stats!
Hey now! I'll have you know I healed 5-mans from level 60-70 when BC came out as feral. Intensity's the only gamebreaking talent in the resto tree, and it's on the same tier as Omen of Clarity so it's not too big of a stretch. You have zero 'oh shit' buttons, but with competent gearing you can heal just fine.
Of course, can does not mean should.
Really now that dual specs exist, if you wanna stick it to the man and defy conventional specs while leveling, feral/boom is the way to go. And boom-heals still beat feral-heals.
Anyone know at what amount of armor pen feral druids should be switching from arp procs and gemming agility to gemming arp again?
If you go back one page from when you posted that, there's a general breakdown. If you're specifically at the point where you're softcapped with agi gems, though, what you'll want to do is type your stats into Toskk's simulator here: http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod
Enter in the number of agi gems and the number of arpen gems, as well as your stats... then in the results tell it to derive optimal gemming. It'll tell you what to go for, and tell you what the exact dps gain would be.
Personally, I made the change about a month ago at about the 1100 mark and felt like my dps was the same but my frustration level was much higher. Because of the decrease in your crit chance, it's much more likely that you'll get an unlucky string of non-crits and wind up painfully CP starved. Be prepared to lay off the FB button quite a bit at first.
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At 0 ArP, it sucks and is way worse than agi.
At 700ish ArP, it is about even with agi, maybe a bit worse.
At 1400 ArP, it is awesome and totally beats agi.
Or, basically, if you aren't really freaking close to 1400, it sucks.
Fancypants ICC people have enough ArP on their gear that they can gem for it and get a stone's throw away from 1400 without any procs.
Less-geared druids aim for the softcap, meaning [passive ArP] + [Grim Toll/Runestone/Scorpion proc] = 1400.
If you can't get at least in the 1100 range with our without procs, just go agi. (Though Scorpion is totally easy to get).
Oh, and of course, anything over 1400 is useless so don't go over. It's possible in ToC gear to softcap in nothing but agi gems.
EDIT:
Also there is food that gives you +40 ArP. You can factor that into your considerations if you don't mind killing a lot of rhinos.
Any help?
Thanks!
Maybe. I'm bad at macroing, so you may want a second opinion on this one. Seems simple enough though.
I'd do that like:
/cast [@mouseover,harm] [] Entangling Roots
Cast ER on the mouseover target if it's hostile, otherwise try to cast it as normal.
That works. Thanks!
We're a pretty causual guild. This is Team 2 and we have a really unusual make up. New healer getting geared up and I was asked if I had a DPS spec. I said yes (and even with the 25% my dps was blegh). Hopefully we'll get further along tonight.
I only need the boots from HoR and buy Bracers of Swift Death/get the bracers from hPoS now, then I'm done with gearing in heroics!
On a related note, the frost tombs can also be cycloned if someone is about to break one too early.
Lucky dog, I've been working on gearing only to have my guild up and implode on me. What few folks are left only raid on nights that I'm working. 75 frost emblems and the only piece of T10 I can get right now (sans VOA) will break my 2T9 bonus. Queuing as DPS on my server is something like a 45 minute wait time on average.
Also: does anyone have a dps macro that is something along the lines of 'use macro=assist, use macro+alt=set assist'? I had one but it got lost in a reinstall of the game after a hard drive failure and now I can't remember for the life of me where I found it.
This will set your focus to your current target if you press alt+button and your current target is friendly. If you just press the button it will assist your current focus, if it is friendly.
You could also splice this up with mouseovers for focus setting, or maybe a /clearfocus [mod:ctrl] to clear your focus.
This will work perfectly for my purposes, as is. I guess I should learn how to make macros but tbh this is the only one I'd use aside from my 'oh dear god no' button that I use for off tanking.
I wanna respec my 69 druid to Resto, for purposes of levelling through 5-mans (Feral is nice and all, but tanking as a bare is way too mindless) and for learning to Resto early on since that's what I plan to do at the endgame. I've been told to go with Glyphs of Swiftmend + Rebirth, since Swiftmend seems obligatory, and battle-rezzing tanks to full HP instead of a quarter would really help avert wipes (and because I only have two Major slots at this point).
Also: what about normal 5-man healing "rotation?" Am I just throwing up and maintaining 3x Lifebloom + Rejuv on the tank, plus spare Rejuvs on the dumb DPS?
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I'm assuming it makes it invulnerable for 6 seconds?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OLcAGbXhWIVcl5IziVpG0eKFJS3xi_Sac9kYMkRFvD8/edit?usp=sharing
On the one hand it's cool you value the dps output i can do on my rogue, but on the other hand not only does my rogue not need anything out of 10man anymore but the sub we did make was to have a lower dps sit out and bring in their way undergeared priest whos barely competent at healing even though I've proven multiple times that my healing is up to the challenge
/druid rage
Frost tombs are stationary mobs. Even though they don't move or attack, you can root them and CC them. If you cast Entangling Roots on a frost tomb, even though it doesn't technically do anything besides a tiny amount of damage before the roots are broken, the graphic is gigantic and you can surprise a lot of raid members with it if they're not expecting it. As an aside, the blocks can also be cycloned if you need to stop damage to one immediately.
On the subject of ice blocks, whose idea at Blizzard was it to make their health not show up with the "show enemy health bars" setting?
Around 400 ArPen is when it starts being the best stat. It stays that until it caps at about 1400. I'm Sure EJ has the exact numbers.
It's harder for Druids to hide that they're not healing specced than it is for priests or shamans. Eventually someone is going to wonder why you're not in tree form.
As long as your balance for Droods or Elemental for Shamans I wouldn't have a problem.
I really don't want to see a ret paladin or an enhancement shaman or a bear healing anything over SFK though. :P
I used to run with an enhancement shaman that would heal me through all the heroics before ToC/ICC as enh. Not since the days of BWL have I used Innervate so much!
Yep, full feral/rogueish gear on the Drood. :P
At least enhancement has some stuff that adds to spellpower and other casty stats!
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Really now that dual specs exist, if you wanna stick it to the man and defy conventional specs while leveling, feral/boom is the way to go. And boom-heals still beat feral-heals.
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If you go back one page from when you posted that, there's a general breakdown. If you're specifically at the point where you're softcapped with agi gems, though, what you'll want to do is type your stats into Toskk's simulator here: http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod
Enter in the number of agi gems and the number of arpen gems, as well as your stats... then in the results tell it to derive optimal gemming. It'll tell you what to go for, and tell you what the exact dps gain would be.
Personally, I made the change about a month ago at about the 1100 mark and felt like my dps was the same but my frustration level was much higher. Because of the decrease in your crit chance, it's much more likely that you'll get an unlucky string of non-crits and wind up painfully CP starved. Be prepared to lay off the FB button quite a bit at first.
20k+ shreds totally make it better, though.