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Health Care: It's a big fucking deal.

The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, OmeganautRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited March 2010 in Social Entropy++
So yeah, health care 'n shit.

Some blowhards in the law making place passed some kinda official thing that's supposed to make everyone healthy while a bunch of other blowhards tried their best to stop it. They still might using some other procedural sorcery. Maybe. I don't know.

If you support it, you hate America and wanna kill babies and old people. If you oppose it, you hate America and wanna kill everyone else instead.

Go.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    this medicine blog is pretty great, joeuser. thanks for the link!

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Commencing gloating

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    this medicine blog is pretty great, joeuser. thanks for the link!

    Cool, you're welcome! (Polite Dissent)

    After learning about defibrillation, now it's annoying to see it done incorrectly everywhere.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Have you fine chaps seen the newly redesigned GOP website?

    c1main.pelosi.jpg
    This morning if you were to go to the GOP Web site, you are redirected to the site http://www.firenancypelosi.com/ which shows the House speaker in front of a background of flames and tells donors that if Republicans take 40 seats from the Democrats in November it means "No More Madam Speaker."

    The RNC has set a goal of raising $402,010 in 40 hours (which is certainly no coincidence) to help gain the funds to try to support knocking Pelosi off her perch. The site also asks you to "Tweet firebomb" - a sort of version of spamming your friends - using the hashtag #FirePelosi to try to gain growing support for the movement

    And they totally defriended her on Facebook too!!! In your face Nancy.

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  • risumonrisumon Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2010
    is that doritos in the background

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    I don't pay any premiums.

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  • vermiculturevermiculture Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    what exactly do people mean when they say the infrastructure is in place for a single payer system?

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  • <3<3 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Nice title

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I GOT 1984 PROBLEMS AND THE RICH AIN'T ONE

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    JoeUser wrote: »
    this medicine blog is pretty great, joeuser. thanks for the link!

    Cool, you're welcome! (Polite Dissent)

    After learning about defibrillation, now it's annoying to see it done incorrectly everywhere.

    My friend showed me this a while ago, but I forgot about it!

    I'll have to start reading it again.

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    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • vermiculturevermiculture Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ahhh somebody just kill me now I have accidentally angered one of my friends over this health care deal and I did not want to argue with him and ugggggh why is this such a dividing issue?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2010
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

    so basically the only change is that I get less coverage now

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I am quite happy and slightly disappointed by all of this.

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  • GRMikeGRMike The Last Best Hope for Humanity The God Pod Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am quite happy and slightly disappointed by all of this.

    I feel the exact same way... and on my birthday too.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    JoeUser wrote: »
    this medicine blog is pretty great, joeuser. thanks for the link!

    Cool, you're welcome! (Polite Dissent)

    After learning about defibrillation, now it's annoying to see it done incorrectly everywhere.

    I really like his House reviews.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Poor people deserve to diiiiieeeeeeeeee!

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  • GRMikeGRMike The Last Best Hope for Humanity The God Pod Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    robothero wrote: »
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

    so basically the only change is that I get less coverage now

    I guess I didn't read a scenario that sounded like it limited coverage... where do you fit in?

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    GRMike wrote: »
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am quite happy and slightly disappointed by all of this.

    I feel the exact same way... and on my birthday too.

    just think, by the time we've been dead for thirty years there may actually be a public option

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    My facebook is pretty quiet about the whole thing. 2 for, 1 against so far, which is surprising, considering the political leanings of most people I know.

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  • VoproSTEINVoproSTEIN howdyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I wanna kill babies, old people, and everybody else. and I don't hate america!

    should I be for or against this bill based on those facts

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2010
    GRMike wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

    so basically the only change is that I get less coverage now

    I guess I didn't read a scenario that sounded like it limited coverage... where do you fit in?

    employer flexible spending account. Which just means I need to switch over to the regular PPO (which has higher premiums)

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  • GRMikeGRMike The Last Best Hope for Humanity The God Pod Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    robothero wrote: »
    GRMike wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

    so basically the only change is that I get less coverage now

    I guess I didn't read a scenario that sounded like it limited coverage... where do you fit in?

    employer flexible spending account. Which just means I need to switch over to the regular PPO (which has higher premiums)

    Ah, yes, the limits on the flex spending accounts. That makes me frown a bit- mostly the part about not using your flex account for over the counter drugs- however it does make sense.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    So, is it legit to start an American vanguard party now?

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    what exactly do people mean when they say the infrastructure is in place for a single payer system?

    That we already pay for people without medical insurance by our high premiums for those with medical care and through taxes going into Medicaid, so the only real change will be that the government, well known for running large entities with grace and efficiency, will now be in charge of healthcare for more people.

    In other words, we're expecting savings from "smooth and efficient running of healthcare" by a structure that is notoriously inefficient in running anything grander than understanding the difference between its ass and a hole in the ground.

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    as a law student

    People decrying constitutionality

    I wanna punch them all

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  • psychoticdreampsychoticdream Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    someone posted this yesterday in the voodo healthcare page i'm posting it again since it's worth a revisit


    http://jezebel.com/5498461/conservative-blogger-calls-for-obamas-assassination-on-twitter-updated


    people can be idiots

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    someone posted this yesterday in the voodo healthcare page i'm posting it again since it's worth a revisit


    http://jezebel.com/5498461/conservative-blogger-calls-for-obamas-assassination-on-twitter-updated


    people can be idiots


    haha
    Update #4: Sam Gustin at DailyFinance is reporting that the Secret Service is now investigating Forell's tweets, with Secret Service spokesperson Max Milien stating: "We are aware of the actual posting and are actively investigating."

    Weaver on
  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    GRMike wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    GRMike wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    risumon wrote: »
    I am curious if this will affect me at all. Have health insurance through my job. On the cheapest HMO plan since I never go to the doctors. Whitehouse.gov tells me my premiums should go down, that would be cool.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/us/health-care-reform.html

    so basically the only change is that I get less coverage now

    I guess I didn't read a scenario that sounded like it limited coverage... where do you fit in?

    employer flexible spending account. Which just means I need to switch over to the regular PPO (which has higher premiums)

    Ah, yes, the limits on the flex spending accounts. That makes me frown a bit- mostly the part about not using your flex account for over the counter drugs- however it does make sense.

    Fucking shit, I missed this. I put $3600 on my flex account this year to cover braces. I won't normally need that much, but the large expenses are why I always liked the account.

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    as a law student

    People decrying constitutionality

    I wanna punch them all

    I'm not saying I agree with the idea that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. In fact I'm pretty sure that, if it ever came to it, the Supreme Court would probably uphold it.

    But it's not really a frivolous argument.

    And as a lawyer

    Law students

    Well, you know

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dow, nasdaq and s&p are all up right now

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    VoproSTEIN wrote: »
    I wanna kill babies, old people, and everybody else. and I don't hate america!

    should I be for or against this bill based on those facts

    Well, people in the peanut gallery in congress were screaming "baby killer" when this was passing, so I'm guess being pro-baby killing are people for this bill.

    Killing old people is the secret to reducing costly medical care. The problem is old people control shit and vote in large numbers. If we would just nuke Florida, 1/2 of out healthcare issues would be solved IMO.

    As for everybody else, go the logistical route. One major problem with healthcare is cost, and one of the big costs is all the legal/insurance/lawsuit bullshit. One thing that needs to be addressed is that even if you die at the hospital getting a toe nail looked at by a doctor hopped up on horse laxatives and meth it doesn't mean your family should get hundreds of millions of dollars, a fleet of Lear jets, and their own personal island for their pain and suffering. Punitive damages in lawsuits need to be cut considerably if we want to face the reality of what's fucking healthcare. Fair settlement...yes. A building full of gold coins and bags with dollar signs on them to swim around in...no.

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  • psychoticdreampsychoticdream Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Weaver wrote: »
    dow, nasdaq and s&p are all up right now

    its before noon

    so far stocks gone up across the board the main point will be past noon past 2pm to be specific

    then we'll see


    but a 30point gain is PRETTY good

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  • FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    My Facebook is exploding with cries of socialism.

    I guess these guys didn't hear that the public option got removed?

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  • FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Also later I might make a post that asks some questions I have re: Republican talking points. I need to get some information first

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  • JigrahJigrah Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    They went with the mandate? I am comfortable with that.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    My friend is bitching about socialism, and I asked him how he liked his student loans in college, the first time home buyers credit, and the fact he was on COBRA for a few months after losing his health insurance when he lost his job last year.

    He responded with a middle finger. Touchy.

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  • psychoticdreampsychoticdream Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Hunter wrote: »
    My friend is bitching about socialism, and I asked him how he liked his student loans in college, the first time home buyers credit, and the fact he was on COBRA for a few months after losing his health insurance when he lost his job last year.

    He responded with a middle finger. Touchy.

    point to him the streetlights and local clinics and fire stations oh and the schools

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Hunter wrote: »
    VoproSTEIN wrote: »
    I wanna kill babies, old people, and everybody else. and I don't hate america!

    should I be for or against this bill based on those facts

    Well, people in the peanut gallery in congress were screaming "baby killer" when this was passing, so I'm guess being pro-baby killing are people for this bill.

    Killing old people is the secret to reducing costly medical care. The problem is old people control shit and vote in large numbers. If we would just nuke Florida, 1/2 of out healthcare issues would be solved IMO.

    As for everybody else, go the logistical route. One major problem with healthcare is cost, and one of the big costs is all the legal/insurance/lawsuit bullshit. One thing that needs to be addressed is that even if you die at the hospital getting a toe nail looked at by a doctor hopped up on horse laxatives and meth it doesn't mean your family should get hundreds of millions of dollars, a fleet of Lear jets, and their own personal island for their pain and suffering. Punitive damages in lawsuits need to be cut considerably if we want to face the reality of what's fucking healthcare. Fair settlement...yes. A building full of gold coins and bags with dollar signs on them to swim around in...no.

    Let me get out first pls

    And the baby-killing nonsense is because many Republicans and some Dems were all "THIS IS GONNA RESULT IN FEDERALLY-FUNDED ABORTIONS, OBAMA IS LITERALLY KILLING BABIES" But the Dems were able to get the anti-abortion Dems (Stupak et al) on their side by saying Obama would sign an executive order barring any of the healthcare bill's funding to go to abortions.

    *I may be wrong

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