The best thing ever is someone gave kharn that counter before he went all chaos. I love when kharn picks up the sword and is granted everything he could wish for but just as khorne is never sated so the sword could not fulfill kharns needs. The difference between a khorne follower and alaric being mindless is the catch phrases which alaric could not enunciate due to him being crazy.
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Yeah, because a killing machine who kills all comers friend or foe doesn't sound like someone from Chaos at all. Nope, not at all. *cough* Malal *cough*
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If you don't know who Malal is, it's because he isn't seen much in the lore, because of an IP dispute from the 90's between GW and some guys who came up with the original concept for a lore book. He's a 5th Chaos God who epitomizes pure Chaos, and it's destructive nature directed at everything, even itself, without any agendas or goals beyond just Chaos. His followers, as few and extra crazy as they are, kill anything that moves, Chaos or otherwise, and very, very rarely live long in his service. Mostly because everyone hates them more then usual.
The Sons of Malice Chaos Space Marines are written up in such a way as to appear to serve Malal, as they fight in complete silence, wear a black/white halved colour scheme identical to Malal's colours, and kill other Chaos servants and daemons. They briefly fought with Chaos Undivided's 13th Black Crusade host primarily to get back their homeworld from the Imperium and fuck some shit up, but typically, they just kill everybody.
I like the idea of a 5th power that represents the ultimate anathema of Chaos, the epitome of it's hypocritical existence and how it feeds off the other powers of Chaos and still seeks to destroy them.
Don't forget Counter's last Grey Knights novel. They've never had a grey knight fall to chaos. What does Counter do, have Alaric TEMPORARILY fall to chaos.
The fuck was that bullshit.
Yeah I'm pretty sure a Grey Knight would just be like, "Huh I feel kinda chaosy today, better be safe." *puts stormbolter next to head and pulls trigger*.
Yeah, because a killing machine who kills all comers friend or foe doesn't sound like someone from Chaos at all. Nope, not at all. *cough* Malal *cough*
Fixed.
If you don't know who Malal is, it's because he isn't seen much in the lore, because of an IP dispute from the 90's between GW and some guys who came up with the original concept for a lore book. He's a 5th Chaos God who epitomizes pure Chaos, and it's destructive nature directed at everything, even itself, without any agendas or goals beyond just Chaos. His followers, as few and extra crazy as they are, kill anything that moves, Chaos or otherwise, and very, very rarely live long in his service. Mostly because everyone hates them more then usual.
The Sons of Malice Chaos Space Marines are written up in such a way as to appear to serve Malal, as they fight in complete silence, wear a black/white halved colour scheme identical to Malal's colours, and kill other Chaos servants and daemons. They briefly fought with Chaos Undivided's 13th Black Crusade host primarily to get back their homeworld from the Imperium and fuck some shit up, but typically, they just kill everybody.
I like the idea of a 5th power that represents the ultimate anathema of Chaos, the epitome of it's hypocritical existence and how it feeds off the other powers of Chaos and still seeks to destroy them.
They've decided to get around it by calling Malal...Malice.
Seriously, it's in one of the short stories in the Heroes of the Space Marines book.
Yeah, I said it. They defined 40k when it was just a toy-soldier-selling gleam in GW's eye. If a book doesn't involve the narrator and/or author gradually going insane while delivering the 3rd person narrative, it's just not proper 40k.
It's probably a collection of things but 40k is seriously the most evocative setting you could ever hope to place a game in. I don't even think WHF comes close to the ridiculous awesomeness of the 40k galaxy.
Someday if I ever complete my IG army, I'll definitely create a malal themed setup.
I have to ask, has anyone ever actually completed an army?
I mean, has anyone just woken up one day looked at their shelves upon shelves of tiny plastic soldiers and tiny plastic tanks and tiny plastic airplanes and said to themselves "I'm done, there's nothing left I want to get"?
Someday if I ever complete my IG army, I'll definitely create a malal themed setup.
I have to ask, has anyone ever actually completed an army?
I mean, has anyone just woken up one day looked at their shelves upon shelves of tiny plastic soldiers and tiny plastic tanks and tiny plastic airplanes and said to themselves "I'm done, there's nothing left I want to get"?
It's probably a collection of things but 40k is seriously the most evocative setting you could ever hope to place a game in. I don't even think WHF comes close to the ridiculous awesomeness of the 40k galaxy.
Not if you're a history and classic pulp nerd. Nothing beats Martin Luther fighting Lovecraftian horrors alongside Solomon Kane.
Still, I might have agreed back in the mid 90's. 40k has just gotten too muddled for my taste in recent years.
It's probably a collection of things but 40k is seriously the most evocative setting you could ever hope to place a game in. I don't even think WHF comes close to the ridiculous awesomeness of the 40k galaxy.
Not if you're a history and classic pulp nerd. Nothing beats Martin Luther King Jr.fighting Lovecraftian horrors alongside Solomon Kane.
Still, I might have agreed back in the mid 90's. 40k has just gotten too muddled for my taste in recent years.
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It's probably a collection of things but 40k is seriously the most evocative setting you could ever hope to place a game in. I don't even think WHF comes close to the ridiculous awesomeness of the 40k galaxy.
Not if you're a history and classic pulp nerd. Nothing beats Martin Luther fighting Lovecraftian horrors alongside Solomon Kane.
Still, I might have agreed back in the mid 90's. 40k has just gotten too muddled for my taste in recent years.
Muddled in what?
The only thing bad I see about 40k is the price tags on the miniatures themselves. The lore is on the whole still pretty good.
The only thing bad I see about 40k is the price tags on the miniatures themselves. The lore is on the whole still pretty good.
With... detail, really. Up through early 2nd ('94, '95 or so...) 40k was a setting of epic scope and broad strokes, contrasted against completely inexplicable detail. It was very clearly a universe gone *mad*. The Imperium was unforgiving and no contact with Chaos left untouched. Marines were mindwiped, Guardsmen left on planet for the Exterminatus. Quotes of the day existed without context, just mad little sayings at the bottom of pages or in sidebars. Flying bionic skulls were everywhere; what were they? No one knew. Technology was crazy Geiger-like biomechanical and monolithic *things* covered with candles. Everyone prayed to their guns and didn't understand. The entire setting was like a John Blanche painting or cover of a Diamond Head or Slayer or Maiden album. It was extremely non-functional in any realistic sense - abstract, even.
Then came Abnett. He's an entertaining writer, don't get me wrong. But his vision of 40k has subsequently become GW's. We know what the flying skulls are. We don't really hear about the Emperor consuming ten thousand souls a day. Chaos doesn't infect you just by *thinking* about it or knowing it exists. Necrons and other threats are on par with Mankind's own flaws. It's more of a traditional space opera, with a veneer of madness over the top. Though his other books and some stuff still skews back toward the older ridiculousness, as a whole the setting is just vastly less engaging to me than it once was.
Warhammer, on the other hand, has stayed much closer to its roots (WAR, Blood Bowl, and other spin off settings aside), so what originally drew me to the setting still does. As my knowledge of things like Tudor and 14th, 15th century sailing ships increases, so does my appreciation of Warhammer as a setting. There's always something to spin off into an epic Wiki chain or historical textbook buying spree.
It's really just a preference thing. 40k is still a cool setting; it's just not the 40k that originally drew my attention.
edit: too late Neli, too late. I should probably shut up about stories based on toy soldiers and get the fuck back to work though.
I should note that the viewpoint that Chaos can infect you by knowing it exists or thinking about it is still around. It's the big reason that the Space Wolves are ticked off over the 1st war for Armageddon.
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And some of the most recent storylines for the Gaunt's Ghosts.
And why Lysander had to go into quarantine and testing for so long.
Well, interesting viewpoint. I think you're completely wrong, but it's an interesting viewpoint :P
Yeah, I think it will be a stupid-comic-book-guy-from-the-simpsons-nerd-rant thing I will hold onto forever. Like hating Blizzard, Apple, and vampires. Oh and unicorns. Fuck those guys and the bitches who rode in on them.
Nobody - yeah, they haven't toned it all down. It's still a cool setting.
Speaking of unicorns, I hope the 40k MMO allows for experiences like this:
I got a goddamn title for killing a thousand unicorns. Best thing I ever achieved in WAR.
Good, because fuck unicorns. And Apple. And besides it's not like you hate 40k, and I still think fantasy is the raddest of... well, fantasy settings :P I could nerd-sperge about it too but we both like both settings so whatevs
This MMO better have a Genestealer Cult Limo in it.
edit: Tyranids have been confirmed as NPCs, right?
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edited June 2010
Yeah.
Fuck Apple for making really useful, easy-to-use devices!
Fuck them for creating synergy between my computer, my iPod, my iPhone and my music programs!
How dare they offer to sell me music and movies from the comfort of my own home!
Sarcasm aside, I never get the Apple hate.
It's so unsubstantiated.
It's like hating Glad because you prefer Hefty trashbags.
Who gives a shit? If you don't prefer a product, that doesn't necessarily mean it sucks and it certainly doesn't mean you have to purchase it.
As a side note, if you were also being sarcastic, feel free to disregard this post......I'm really not a Fanboi...but I do take my iPod 32g everywhere =P
I've just had bad luck with the software and fans. It is not a reasoned, objective dislike. It's the same sort of "would you shut the fuck up about it!?" I reserve towards Jesus-types.
Now unicorns, on the other hand. Fuck them.
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This MMO better have a Genestealer Cult Limo in it.
edit: Tyranids have been confirmed as NPCs, right?
Yes.
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CorehealerThe ApothecaryThe softer edge of the universe.Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
Being a hater or fanboy of any product or company or really anything, on principle of unsubstantiated desire to hate/love something as a way to make yourself feel better about the products and companies you invest in is silly. They are extremes that ignore the positives of the competition and the negatives of the chosen favourite.
Apple gets ragged on because they claim to be, in a way, the new Microsoft, cornering markets with really good product and software, and having an elitist appearance that flies in the face of PC users, who are the majority by circumstance of Microsoft still being a big holder in the computer industry. They feel threatened by that elitist looking white box and then respond in kind, without real facts.
The reality is neither Apple or Microsoft really deserves the baseless hate they both receive, and each has a small group of people who foam at the mouth stupidly anytime someone criticizes their system in their presence. The systems themselves really are almost equal in prominence, accessability and use, and are both good computing systems with different approaches on presenting information and managing tasks and programs efficiently. They have their strengths and weaknesses like anything else in life and I personally use both in my day to day with little reason to prefer one over the other in most situations.
Anywho, getting back to grimdarkiness, I have a tabletop game question, since this is basically a 40K thread mooching off the MMO space while THQ gets the shit together. I still have the 3rd edition Eldar and Tyranid codexs in a box in my basement as well as a 3rd edition rulebook. I assume these are obsolete and I need to buy new codexs and a 5th edition rulebook right? As much as I'd rather that money go towards actual paint and plastic goodness.
Corehealer, there have been one Eldar and two Tyranid codexes since then so I would grab the newer ones. Also the rules are on 5th which actually has changed quiet a few things(vehicle damage table, transports/explosions, consolidating units are the ones I can think of just from 4th). In general though I have really really liked the newest edition of 40k though the Chaos dex I have to use from 4th is a sad sad shadow of the previous codex since we lost a lot of what made Chaos awesome but also over powered. Nids got a lot of cool stuff in the recent codex but lost a few things as well. Eldar is a 4th edition dex and I hate digging through it but it has some awesome stuff as well.
Now back to the mmo. My one hope is to play as a Chaos Space Marine. If this means I have to do a quest like to go rogue and become chaosy the more power. Also since this is rumored to have an M rating I need me some Slaanesh, the over looked Chaos god in the computer game genre. I want my combat drugs and noise weaponry. Oh and a greater demon with 4 boobs.
Corehealer, quit it with the logic. That's not ok on the internet.
On the upside of having to buy new Codex books; the 3rd edition ones were crap for background and art. New ones will make for a much more entertaining read, if you're into that kind of thing.
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Corehealer, quit it with the logic. That's not ok on the internet.
On the upside of having to buy new Codex books; the 3rd edition ones were crap for background and art. New ones will make for a much more entertaining read, if you're into that kind of thing.
Ya I know, logic is so overrated, right Tzeentch?
And I like reading codexs and figuring out good backstories for my nids, like I did with my old 1000 pt splinter fleet that I played with some friends back in the day. I think this time i'll go for a whole new colour schemed Hive Fleet.
I like the appearance improvements that have been made to Carnifexes and Hive Tyrants and Tyrant Guards since I first played, even though I never actually got my hands on any of those. And Trygons/Mawlocs are new and gorgeous. I am going all out on a Trygon as my first HS choice for sure.
Just about any of the large Tyranid units would be epic encounters.
We saw Titans. Maybe we will get lucky and see the Tyranid equivalent. Cant recall what it is called though.
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Liquid GhostDO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?!Registered Userregular
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Bio-Titans! I want some epic fights against those.
Quest Guy: "See that gigantic beast over there? The one that's as big as a mountain? That's a Hydraphant, son. I want you to grab your shit and prepare to get the fuck out of here. If you see us running and screaming like little girls, get your ass to the escape ship and report back to HQ as soon as possible. Tell them we were crushed by forty thousand tons of bio-morphic gigawang."
Whoa there one of the codexes said a bio titan was a mere 50 tons and most mentions of bio titans seems to point toward them being rather small compared to proper titans but just being fairly deadly for their size. If you consider the fact that bio mass is a type of currency for the nids titans dont seem to be a good investment.
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Please don't shatter my dreams of massive beasts smashing entire armies with their titantic alien penises.
I like to think that them being living creatures would make them nimble as hell. Its one thing to compare them by sheer size, but having something 50 tons that can move quicker then a smaller Imperial Titan would be scary as hell.
Yes, you died by giant alien penis, and no, you (( and the rest of your company )) didn't even see it coming. Although I am sure someone with more knowledge of the TT rules could set me straight.
I like to think that them being living creatures would make them nimble as hell. Its one thing to compare them by sheer size, but having something 50 tons that can move quicker then a smaller Imperial Titan would be scary as hell.
Yes, you died by giant alien penis, and no, you (( and the rest of your company )) didn't even see it coming. Although I am sure someone with more knowledge of the TT rules could set me straight.
No, that's pretty much how the Hierophant works on the table top. Well, the smallest Imperial Titan can move just as fast but it doesn't have the ability to rip things apart with it's giant claws. Nor does it have giant claws.
The Hierophant is just a horrible horrible monster that eats tank compaines. If there were to be a quest involving it in the 40k MMO it would just be "Take off and EXTERMINATUS!"
A quest where you just have to outrun and evade a rampaging Hierophant sounds pretty cool actually. Fight off swarms of nids as you desperately run to the landing pad etc etc etc.
Considering a Hierophant could take down 2-3 Warhounds by itself, uhmmm yeah. They're pretty bad-ass. Not quite Reaver-scale ridiculousness, but very powerful. The smaller bio-titans don't really fit the normal role you'd expect, they're like extra big carnifexes, but no where near the size of a warhound titan, and sometimes with big nasty guns.
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I've heard that the author can be kinda a goose in person though.
Fixed.
If you don't know who Malal is, it's because he isn't seen much in the lore, because of an IP dispute from the 90's between GW and some guys who came up with the original concept for a lore book. He's a 5th Chaos God who epitomizes pure Chaos, and it's destructive nature directed at everything, even itself, without any agendas or goals beyond just Chaos. His followers, as few and extra crazy as they are, kill anything that moves, Chaos or otherwise, and very, very rarely live long in his service. Mostly because everyone hates them more then usual.
The Sons of Malice Chaos Space Marines are written up in such a way as to appear to serve Malal, as they fight in complete silence, wear a black/white halved colour scheme identical to Malal's colours, and kill other Chaos servants and daemons. They briefly fought with Chaos Undivided's 13th Black Crusade host primarily to get back their homeworld from the Imperium and fuck some shit up, but typically, they just kill everybody.
I like the idea of a 5th power that represents the ultimate anathema of Chaos, the epitome of it's hypocritical existence and how it feeds off the other powers of Chaos and still seeks to destroy them.
Yeah I'm pretty sure a Grey Knight would just be like, "Huh I feel kinda chaosy today, better be safe." *puts stormbolter next to head and pulls trigger*.
They've decided to get around it by calling Malal...Malice.
Seriously, it's in one of the short stories in the Heroes of the Space Marines book.
Someday if I ever complete my IG army, I'll definitely create a malal themed setup.
Yeah, I said it. They defined 40k when it was just a toy-soldier-selling gleam in GW's eye. If a book doesn't involve the narrator and/or author gradually going insane while delivering the 3rd person narrative, it's just not proper 40k.
I have to ask, has anyone ever actually completed an army?
I mean, has anyone just woken up one day looked at their shelves upon shelves of tiny plastic soldiers and tiny plastic tanks and tiny plastic airplanes and said to themselves "I'm done, there's nothing left I want to get"?
That's when you start new armies.
Not if you're a history and classic pulp nerd. Nothing beats Martin Luther fighting Lovecraftian horrors alongside Solomon Kane.
Still, I might have agreed back in the mid 90's. 40k has just gotten too muddled for my taste in recent years.
Muddled in what?
The only thing bad I see about 40k is the price tags on the miniatures themselves. The lore is on the whole still pretty good.
With... detail, really. Up through early 2nd ('94, '95 or so...) 40k was a setting of epic scope and broad strokes, contrasted against completely inexplicable detail. It was very clearly a universe gone *mad*. The Imperium was unforgiving and no contact with Chaos left untouched. Marines were mindwiped, Guardsmen left on planet for the Exterminatus. Quotes of the day existed without context, just mad little sayings at the bottom of pages or in sidebars. Flying bionic skulls were everywhere; what were they? No one knew. Technology was crazy Geiger-like biomechanical and monolithic *things* covered with candles. Everyone prayed to their guns and didn't understand. The entire setting was like a John Blanche painting or cover of a Diamond Head or Slayer or Maiden album. It was extremely non-functional in any realistic sense - abstract, even.
Then came Abnett. He's an entertaining writer, don't get me wrong. But his vision of 40k has subsequently become GW's. We know what the flying skulls are. We don't really hear about the Emperor consuming ten thousand souls a day. Chaos doesn't infect you just by *thinking* about it or knowing it exists. Necrons and other threats are on par with Mankind's own flaws. It's more of a traditional space opera, with a veneer of madness over the top. Though his other books and some stuff still skews back toward the older ridiculousness, as a whole the setting is just vastly less engaging to me than it once was.
Warhammer, on the other hand, has stayed much closer to its roots (WAR, Blood Bowl, and other spin off settings aside), so what originally drew me to the setting still does. As my knowledge of things like Tudor and 14th, 15th century sailing ships increases, so does my appreciation of Warhammer as a setting. There's always something to spin off into an epic Wiki chain or historical textbook buying spree.
It's really just a preference thing. 40k is still a cool setting; it's just not the 40k that originally drew my attention.
edit: too late Neli, too late.
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And some of the most recent storylines for the Gaunt's Ghosts.
And why Lysander had to go into quarantine and testing for so long.
Yeah, I think it will be a stupid-comic-book-guy-from-the-simpsons-nerd-rant thing I will hold onto forever. Like hating Blizzard, Apple, and vampires. Oh and unicorns. Fuck those guys and the bitches who rode in on them.
Nobody - yeah, they haven't toned it all down. It's still a cool setting.
Speaking of unicorns, I hope the 40k MMO allows for experiences like this:
I got a goddamn title for killing a thousand unicorns. Best thing I ever achieved in WAR.
This.
Also Tyranids.
edit: Tyranids have been confirmed as NPCs, right?
Fuck Apple for making really useful, easy-to-use devices!
Fuck them for creating synergy between my computer, my iPod, my iPhone and my music programs!
How dare they offer to sell me music and movies from the comfort of my own home!
Sarcasm aside, I never get the Apple hate.
It's so unsubstantiated.
It's like hating Glad because you prefer Hefty trashbags.
Who gives a shit? If you don't prefer a product, that doesn't necessarily mean it sucks and it certainly doesn't mean you have to purchase it.
As a side note, if you were also being sarcastic, feel free to disregard this post......I'm really not a Fanboi...but I do take my iPod 32g everywhere =P
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Now unicorns, on the other hand. Fuck them.
Bring me the heads of 10 Ugly One-Horned Mules!
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Yes.
Apple gets ragged on because they claim to be, in a way, the new Microsoft, cornering markets with really good product and software, and having an elitist appearance that flies in the face of PC users, who are the majority by circumstance of Microsoft still being a big holder in the computer industry. They feel threatened by that elitist looking white box and then respond in kind, without real facts.
The reality is neither Apple or Microsoft really deserves the baseless hate they both receive, and each has a small group of people who foam at the mouth stupidly anytime someone criticizes their system in their presence. The systems themselves really are almost equal in prominence, accessability and use, and are both good computing systems with different approaches on presenting information and managing tasks and programs efficiently. They have their strengths and weaknesses like anything else in life and I personally use both in my day to day with little reason to prefer one over the other in most situations.
Anywho, getting back to grimdarkiness, I have a tabletop game question, since this is basically a 40K thread mooching off the MMO space while THQ gets the shit together. I still have the 3rd edition Eldar and Tyranid codexs in a box in my basement as well as a 3rd edition rulebook. I assume these are obsolete and I need to buy new codexs and a 5th edition rulebook right? As much as I'd rather that money go towards actual paint and plastic goodness.
Now back to the mmo. My one hope is to play as a Chaos Space Marine. If this means I have to do a quest like to go rogue and become chaosy the more power. Also since this is rumored to have an M rating I need me some Slaanesh, the over looked Chaos god in the computer game genre. I want my combat drugs and noise weaponry. Oh and a greater demon with 4 boobs.
On the upside of having to buy new Codex books; the 3rd edition ones were crap for background and art. New ones will make for a much more entertaining read, if you're into that kind of thing.
Ya I know, logic is so overrated, right Tzeentch?
And I like reading codexs and figuring out good backstories for my nids, like I did with my old 1000 pt splinter fleet that I played with some friends back in the day. I think this time i'll go for a whole new colour schemed Hive Fleet.
I like the appearance improvements that have been made to Carnifexes and Hive Tyrants and Tyrant Guards since I first played, even though I never actually got my hands on any of those. And Trygons/Mawlocs are new and gorgeous. I am going all out on a Trygon as my first HS choice for sure.
We saw Titans. Maybe we will get lucky and see the Tyranid equivalent. Cant recall what it is called though.
Quest Guy: "See that gigantic beast over there? The one that's as big as a mountain? That's a Hydraphant, son. I want you to grab your shit and prepare to get the fuck out of here. If you see us running and screaming like little girls, get your ass to the escape ship and report back to HQ as soon as possible. Tell them we were crushed by forty thousand tons of bio-morphic gigawang."
Hierophant, giant four legged engine of doom.
Yes, you died by giant alien penis, and no, you (( and the rest of your company )) didn't even see it coming. Although I am sure someone with more knowledge of the TT rules could set me straight.
No, that's pretty much how the Hierophant works on the table top. Well, the smallest Imperial Titan can move just as fast but it doesn't have the ability to rip things apart with it's giant claws. Nor does it have giant claws.
The Hierophant is just a horrible horrible monster that eats tank compaines. If there were to be a quest involving it in the 40k MMO it would just be "Take off and EXTERMINATUS!"