The D&D thread's mention of '80s movie stereotypes and theonion's reference to a scene where Optimus step on a rosebush and says, "My bad," give me the confidence to hate this movie without seeing it for myself.
The D&D thread's mention of '80s movie stereotypes and theonion's reference to a scene where Optimus step on a rosebush and says, "My bad," give me the confidence to hate this movie without seeing it for myself.
I've read pretty much most of the D&D thread, and I can't remember 80s movie stereotypes being discussed...
In regards to the Optimus thing, why do people decide that single, out of context elements of the film are enough to justify totally regarding the complete product? It's not like not buying one of your favourite comics just because there is a single panel cameo, in the background, of a character you don't like. Unless, I guess, you have no interest in Transformers at all, in which case then I can see some justification for not going to see the movie. But not just launching a full on "it's utter shit" attack without seeing it and making up your own mind.
Anyway, regardless, I enjoyed it and I really do not think it is crap. A lot of the complaints of people who haven't even seen it do not make a lot of sense to me having seen it all in context. A lot of the critics who don't like Bay have said it's his best film. *shrug*
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Saying that it's the best Bay movie is saying like it's the least shitty piece of shit in a shit...pile. Dammit thats no good.
Someone come up with a good metaphor on how the best movie Bay does is not very good.
Saying that it's the best Bay movie is saying like it's the least shitty piece of shit in a shit...pile. Dammit thats no good.
Someone come up with a good metaphor on how the best movie Bay does is not very good.
Just because it's the best shit sandwich ever, doesn't make it any less of a shit sandwich.
Does that work for you?
That said, I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed it even more the second time I saw it.
And I imagine that when the sequel comes out, I'll quite likely enjoy it as well.
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Maybe it's because I have no nostalgia for the old cartoons because all my Transformers memories come from Beast Wars, but I don't think I'm capable of enjoying this movie as much as someone else. You say " Hey they got Peter Cullen for Optimus Prime" I say " Who?" You say " They put Jazz and Bumblebee in!" I say " These people aren't Rhinox or Dinobot"
The D&D thread's mention of '80s movie stereotypes and theonion's reference to a scene where Optimus step on a rosebush and says, "My bad," give me the confidence to hate this movie without seeing it for myself.
that's a pretty silly reason to not see a movie.
in fact, that's a horrible reason. i'd even go as far to say that it gives me the confidence to hate you without reading any of your other posts. begone with ye!
Saying that it's the best Bay movie is saying like it's the least shitty piece of shit in a shit...pile. Dammit thats no good.
Someone come up with a good metaphor on how the best movie Bay does is not very good.
the reason a quote like this is very irritating is because some people, quite a few people actually, thought the movie wasn't a piece of shit. Bay, for the record, has created some god awful stuff,
there's even a line in the movie where a guy running with a camera screams "This is like a million times better than Armageddon! thought that was pretty funny
but that doesn't mean you have the right act justified in the face of other people's contrary opinions. yeah, skepticism is pretty much required here, but its just as easy to say you're just not interested in the movie as it is to be a douche about it. spielberg produced the thing. i think that alone should give you some shred of hope.
Aside from that, it was fucking awful...but I enjoyed it.
I think my least favorite part was the average level of intelligence the crowd had. Don't get me wrong, I am an elitist prick, though I shit you not when I say I was genuinely in a fucking sea of cackling morons. The reference that came to mind was that episode of Futurama with Pig and Rat Man as the "studio audience."
I mean, isn't it just so fucking funny that Bumblebee takes offense to that dumb cunts comment and decides to upgrade himself to the new pile-of-shit Camaro?
Seriously, there were "whoops" and "aw yeahs" aplenty during that fucking scene...
...and probably any scene that was supposed to be humorous...
...and even some that weren't.
I had fun. I suppose that was worth my money right there.
i still don't understand why they used bumblebee as the "main" transformer. that little shit was worthless in the show. wouldn't it have made much more sense to cast hot rod in the roll instead? i mean, not only is hot rod traditionally a sports car but he's also about a million times more worthy of a movie role. *grumble grumble*
i still don't understand why they used bumblebee as the "main" transformer. that little shit was worthless in the show. wouldn't it have made much more sense to cast hot rod in the roll instead? i mean, not only is hot rod traditionally a sports car but he's also about a million times more worthy of a movie role. *grumble grumble*
My girlfriend, who knows nothing about transformers, kept telling me not to get my hopes up and that it was going to be so bad.
After we left, she couldn't stop talking about how much she enjoyed it, wanted to know more about the characters, and was considering seeing it again.
I consider that a win in my book.
The only things that I completely hated though, and she agreed with me, is when
bumblebee "pissed" on the sector seven dude.
. Was that really necessary?
I felt that the first half of Turturro's character's screentime was probably the most glaring thing in the movie that didn't work for me. Once we got to the dam, he started to make sense.
i still don't understand why they used bumblebee as the "main" transformer. that little shit was worthless in the show. wouldn't it have made much more sense to cast hot rod in the roll instead? i mean, not only is hot rod traditionally a sports car but he's also about a million times more worthy of a movie role. *grumble grumble*
None of those words make any sense in the order in which they are arranged.
Now, I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not commenting on how good it actually is or isn't.
However, the amount of hate people here seem to have (and its not unique here: a million other internet sites, e.g. Ain't it Cool do the same thing) for anything that's less than a 100% serious treatment of giant robots from space is kind of amazing.
I mean, honestly, what is it about Bumblebee changing which car he looks like that is so offensive to the idea of giant robots from space that transform from cars to human-shapes? What is it about Prime using colloquial English that is so offensive to the idea of giant robots from space that transform from cars to human-shapes?
I mean, I'll grant you the 'peeing' thing sounds stupid, but is it that big a deal?
Everyone seems to act like the only way you can have a good Transformers story is if everything is serious, and perfect. Have none of you seen the original series or movie? Among other things, they included not one but two gross stereotypes of urban black culture (Blaster & Jazz), a giant planet-sized robot that eats two of Cybertron's moons, then just hangs around for days or more before bothering to attack the planet, robots that change mass/size without any rhyme or reason (e.g. Megatron, Space-train, Armada...)...I could go on.
It's a silly concept, that's a hell of a lot of fun. Why are we acting like Michael Bay took something sacred and defiled it? He took a cool, fun concept and made a version that is cool and fun. If you hate it, just watch the old cartoons/movie and read the comics.
I enjoyed Transformers a lot, even going into it and expecting to hate it. That said, the movie had two consistent failings. One was the awful, forced humor that occurred any time they decided to try to make the Autobots all cutesy and relevant. With the exception of Jazz, who actually works best when he's being cheesy. The second was that any fight scene occurring between two robots always wound up being very hard to decipher due to shaky cam and the robots' "big pile of scrap metal with a head on top" designs.
Still, the movie had a ton of "fuck yeah!" moments, they managed to work in a lot of iconic lines without making them feel forced, and Peter Cullen and Shia Lebouf both did very well.
I honestly cannot fathom why people would not have enjoyed this movie. I honestly couldn't find anything wrong with it and likened it to the sort of awe I felt as a kid going to see Jurassic Park.
The humor wasn't a bad thing. I thought it kept the thing entertaining throughout the entire movie. So the robots used "earth-slang"? Big deal. They explained why.
I think a lot of people are hating on this movie because they're being purest nerd bastards. I guess they wanted some sort of ultra-dramatic LOTRs style epic 12 hour adventure for the movie about GIANT SPACE ROBOTS THAT TURN INTO STUFF.
i still don't understand why they used bumblebee as the "main" transformer. that little shit was worthless in the show. wouldn't it have made much more sense to cast hot rod in the roll instead? i mean, not only is hot rod traditionally a sports car but he's also about a million times more worthy of a movie role. *grumble grumble*
None of those words make any sense in the order in which they are arranged.
hot rod should have been in the movie instead of bumblebee.
...how hard to follow was that? :roll:
i think the reason some people find this movie distasteful is because some source of immense self importance. that is, people are taking themselves too seriously. as such they seem unable to enjoy a legitimately entertaining film because it is some kind of horrible afront on their pride.
I don't mind anyone poking fun at the Transformers concept or representing the characters as the surreal beasts they truly are. I've only watched some Beast Wars, which I enjoyed, so while I think the franchise is fun overall I have no strong ideas about how it should be done or how seriously it should be treated.
But as far as I'm concerned, characters like the 100th hapless kid with unrequited love who somehow finds the strength within himself to be a hero and jokes about urine are below me, in the context of any film, and should be below anyone 18 or older. The are just plot elements t
The fact that Transformers is packed with cliches and poor humor doesn't make it a bad film, of course. It's just a bad film for a certain age group, or at least people who don't think they'll be able to look past those flaws to the remainder of the film (though the robots and fight scenes are supposedly flawed as well.
I don't mind anyone poking fun at the Transformers concept or representing the characters as the surreal beasts they truly are. I've only watched some Beast Wars, which I enjoyed, so while I think the franchise is fun overall I have no strong ideas about how it should be done or how seriously it should be treated.
But as far as I'm concerned, characters like the 100th hapless kid with unrequited love who somehow finds the strength within himself to be a hero and jokes about urine are below me, in the context of any film, and should be below anyone 18 or older. The are just plot elements t
The fact that Transformers is packed with cliches and poor humor doesn't make it a bad film, of course. It's just a bad film for a certain age group, or at least people who don't think they'll be able to look past those flaws to the remainder of the film (though the robots and fight scenes are supposedly flawed as well.
I don't know what age group you fall into but I'm 25 and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that this wasn't a bad movie. I think you need to stop taking yourself so seriously. The humour wasn't poor. In fact I thought it was one of the highlights of the film and really served the plot a great deal.
Also, didn't you say you havn't even seen the movie yet?
I've seen plenty of the jokes through the trailers, and I don't think the full context would do much to improve them.
And cliches are immediately recognizable, being cliches.
Fair enough, but I'm going to stop debating with you about whether this movie is good or not since you're speaking from a perspective of complete ignorance.
Satan, just because you thought it was awesome dosen't mean everyone has to feel the same way. The fact that you have stated you could see "no flaws" while many other people here who enjoyed it admitted there were problems with the film would cause some to see it as blatant fanboyism. You liked the movie, awesome. But it won't appeal to everyone.
Satan, just because you thought it was awesome dosen't mean everyone has to feel the same way. The fact that you have stated you could see "no flaws" while many other people here who enjoyed it admitted there were problems with the film would cause some to see it as blatant fanboyism. You liked the movie, awesome. But it won't appeal to everyone.
I realize that. I'm saying that if you're going to deride the movie you should probably at least see it first.
Bumblebee getting pissed when he gets called a "piece of crap Camaro"
was freaking hilarious, and the only way you could not like it is if you do not like good things.
Personally, I wouldn't have a clue who Bay is if not for reading these forums, nor do I really have any idea what movies he's made in the past. But if all he's capable of is shit sandwiches, then I'd have to say this movie has greatly changed my opinion of shit sandwiches.
Satan, just because you thought it was awesome dosen't mean everyone has to feel the same way. The fact that you have stated you could see "no flaws" while many other people here who enjoyed it admitted there were problems with the film would cause some to see it as blatant fanboyism. You liked the movie, awesome. But it won't appeal to everyone.
I realize that. I'm saying that if you're going to deride the movie you should probably at least see it first.
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On the film itself, I felt the human parts were rubbish (personal opinion), but cmon, huge robots beating the shit out of each other, that alone was worth my watching it 3 times.
It wasn't terrible, but I can't say I was a big fan of Transformers either. I wasn't a big fan of the shaky-cam and shot choices for the fight scenes, and since the main thing the movie was supposed to have going for it was the fight scenes that presented somewhat of a problem.
There's all the regular problems of flat characters, some bad humour, poor storyline, too much focus on the humans, etc., but I don't think anyone expected anything different. Those weren't nearly as much of a problem for me as the way they shot the fight scenes.
I can see how other people would like it, but it wasn't really for me. This is pretty much the same problem I had with "300".
Satan, just because you thought it was awesome dosen't mean everyone has to feel the same way. The fact that you have stated you could see "no flaws" while many other people here who enjoyed it admitted there were problems with the film would cause some to see it as blatant fanboyism. You liked the movie, awesome. But it won't appeal to everyone.
I realize that. I'm saying that if you're going to deride the movie you should probably at least see it first.
Hoo is merely saying he's not interested in the movie and stated why he felt he wouldn't like it.
I am 99.9% sure that DADDY DAY CAMP is going to be absolute shit, but I'm not gonna go see it just in case
Satan, just because you thought it was awesome dosen't mean everyone has to feel the same way. The fact that you have stated you could see "no flaws" while many other people here who enjoyed it admitted there were problems with the film would cause some to see it as blatant fanboyism. You liked the movie, awesome. But it won't appeal to everyone.
I realize that. I'm saying that if you're going to deride the movie you should probably at least see it first.
Hoo is merely saying he's not interested in the movie and stated why he felt he wouldn't like it.
I am 99.9% sure that DADDY DAY CAMP is going to be absolute shit, but I'm not gonna go see it just in case
No he stated that he hated the movie. It's on the last page.
I understand what you're saying but you cannot deny that having never seen Daddy Day Camp you will never be able to say for sure that it was terrible.
God... I hate Michael Bay. I hate him with the fire of a thousand suns... so, it was natural that I went into Transformers with incredibly low expectations.
That being said, I found this movie to be incredibly excellent. I mean, maybe my expectations were rock bottom, but I loved this movie for some reason. Yes, there were a shit-ton of cliches, and a great deal of nonsense...
nonsense:
hey, lets take this huge All-Spark that these vicious, unstoppable robots are after into the heart of a major city.... for some reason.
And pretty much all the parts with humans (although the acting not being a suck-fest helped soften that blow...)
But there were all these other things that pushed the movie beyond what I was expecting it to be... hell, Megatron and Starscream have one line between each other and it perfectly encapsulates there relationship... I don't know, I just thought is was good stuff. Maybe I'm losing my mind...
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Yes, there were a shit-ton of cliches, and a great deal of nonsense...
nonsense:
hey, lets take this huge All-Spark that these vicious, unstoppable robots are after into the heart of a major city.... for some reason.
If they'd stayed out in the open they would have been utterly wiped out, and then the world would have been taken over by the Decepticons. It made perfect since to try and hide throughout the city, considering the alternative.
Yes, there were a shit-ton of cliches, and a great deal of nonsense...
nonsense:
hey, lets take this huge All-Spark that these vicious, unstoppable robots are after into the heart of a major city.... for some reason.
If they'd stayed out in the open they would have been utterly wiped out, and then the world would have been taken over by the Decepticons. It made perfect since to try and hide throughout the city, considering the alternative.
Also, if I remember right, the only Decepticon they knew that knew where the cube was for sure was Megatron so their first act was to get it away from him, then evac to somewhere safe.
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Becuase that shit right there, that was beautiful.
Early in the film there's some forced humor.
LOL HE SAID SOMETHING THAT COULD BARELY BE PASSABLE AS A EUPHEMISM
Actually there's a lot of forced humor in it.
Again, I will you remind I enjoyed this movie. But yeah. Don't expect stunning majesty is all I'm saying.
I've read pretty much most of the D&D thread, and I can't remember 80s movie stereotypes being discussed...
In regards to the Optimus thing, why do people decide that single, out of context elements of the film are enough to justify totally regarding the complete product? It's not like not buying one of your favourite comics just because there is a single panel cameo, in the background, of a character you don't like. Unless, I guess, you have no interest in Transformers at all, in which case then I can see some justification for not going to see the movie. But not just launching a full on "it's utter shit" attack without seeing it and making up your own mind.
Anyway, regardless, I enjoyed it and I really do not think it is crap. A lot of the complaints of people who haven't even seen it do not make a lot of sense to me having seen it all in context. A lot of the critics who don't like Bay have said it's his best film. *shrug*
Someone come up with a good metaphor on how the best movie Bay does is not very good.
It's like bragging about being The Beastiality King of Minnesota.
:^:
Does that work for you?
That said, I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed it even more the second time I saw it.
And I imagine that when the sequel comes out, I'll quite likely enjoy it as well.
that's a pretty silly reason to not see a movie.
in fact, that's a horrible reason. i'd even go as far to say that it gives me the confidence to hate you without reading any of your other posts. begone with ye!
the reason a quote like this is very irritating is because some people, quite a few people actually, thought the movie wasn't a piece of shit. Bay, for the record, has created some god awful stuff,
That made the movie for me.
Aside from that, it was fucking awful...but I enjoyed it.
I think my least favorite part was the average level of intelligence the crowd had. Don't get me wrong, I am an elitist prick, though I shit you not when I say I was genuinely in a fucking sea of cackling morons. The reference that came to mind was that episode of Futurama with Pig and Rat Man as the "studio audience."
I mean, isn't it just so fucking funny that Bumblebee takes offense to that dumb cunts comment and decides to upgrade himself to the new pile-of-shit Camaro?
Seriously, there were "whoops" and "aw yeahs" aplenty during that fucking scene...
...and probably any scene that was supposed to be humorous...
...and even some that weren't.
I had fun. I suppose that was worth my money right there.
Because Hot Rod's a dick who gets everyone shot, and ran the Autobots into the ground as Prime? :P
it wasn't the greatest thing I've ever seen, by any stretch of the imagination, but I enjoyed the crap out of it
After we left, she couldn't stop talking about how much she enjoyed it, wanted to know more about the characters, and was considering seeing it again.
I consider that a win in my book.
The only things that I completely hated though, and she agreed with me, is when
I felt that the first half of Turturro's character's screentime was probably the most glaring thing in the movie that didn't work for me. Once we got to the dam, he started to make sense.
it was just another thing that caused an uproarious laughter in the audience.
people actually found that funny.
no.
None of those words make any sense in the order in which they are arranged.
However, the amount of hate people here seem to have (and its not unique here: a million other internet sites, e.g. Ain't it Cool do the same thing) for anything that's less than a 100% serious treatment of giant robots from space is kind of amazing.
I mean, honestly, what is it about Bumblebee changing which car he looks like that is so offensive to the idea of giant robots from space that transform from cars to human-shapes? What is it about Prime using colloquial English that is so offensive to the idea of giant robots from space that transform from cars to human-shapes?
I mean, I'll grant you the 'peeing' thing sounds stupid, but is it that big a deal?
Everyone seems to act like the only way you can have a good Transformers story is if everything is serious, and perfect. Have none of you seen the original series or movie? Among other things, they included not one but two gross stereotypes of urban black culture (Blaster & Jazz), a giant planet-sized robot that eats two of Cybertron's moons, then just hangs around for days or more before bothering to attack the planet, robots that change mass/size without any rhyme or reason (e.g. Megatron, Space-train, Armada...)...I could go on.
It's a silly concept, that's a hell of a lot of fun. Why are we acting like Michael Bay took something sacred and defiled it? He took a cool, fun concept and made a version that is cool and fun. If you hate it, just watch the old cartoons/movie and read the comics.
Something like, "Man this movie was cheesy as hell, but they were all 'fuck it, let's just go with it' and they made it pretty fun"
I think he said the only reason he didn't give it four stars was that the last action sequence was kind of dull and hard to follow.
Still, the movie had a ton of "fuck yeah!" moments, they managed to work in a lot of iconic lines without making them feel forced, and Peter Cullen and Shia Lebouf both did very well.
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The humor wasn't a bad thing. I thought it kept the thing entertaining throughout the entire movie. So the robots used "earth-slang"? Big deal. They explained why.
I think a lot of people are hating on this movie because they're being purest nerd bastards. I guess they wanted some sort of ultra-dramatic LOTRs style epic 12 hour adventure for the movie about GIANT SPACE ROBOTS THAT TURN INTO STUFF.
...how hard to follow was that? :roll:
i think the reason some people find this movie distasteful is because some source of immense self importance. that is, people are taking themselves too seriously. as such they seem unable to enjoy a legitimately entertaining film because it is some kind of horrible afront on their pride.
sounds pretty silly, i know.
But as far as I'm concerned, characters like the 100th hapless kid with unrequited love who somehow finds the strength within himself to be a hero and jokes about urine are below me, in the context of any film, and should be below anyone 18 or older. The are just plot elements t
The fact that Transformers is packed with cliches and poor humor doesn't make it a bad film, of course. It's just a bad film for a certain age group, or at least people who don't think they'll be able to look past those flaws to the remainder of the film (though the robots and fight scenes are supposedly flawed as well.
I don't know what age group you fall into but I'm 25 and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that this wasn't a bad movie. I think you need to stop taking yourself so seriously. The humour wasn't poor. In fact I thought it was one of the highlights of the film and really served the plot a great deal.
Also, didn't you say you havn't even seen the movie yet?
And cliches are immediately recognizable, being cliches.
Fair enough, but I'm going to stop debating with you about whether this movie is good or not since you're speaking from a perspective of complete ignorance.
I realize that. I'm saying that if you're going to deride the movie you should probably at least see it first.
Personally, I wouldn't have a clue who Bay is if not for reading these forums, nor do I really have any idea what movies he's made in the past. But if all he's capable of is shit sandwiches, then I'd have to say this movie has greatly changed my opinion of shit sandwiches.
The penny falls. Amen.
On the film itself, I felt the human parts were rubbish (personal opinion), but cmon, huge robots beating the shit out of each other, that alone was worth my watching it 3 times.
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It wasn't terrible, but I can't say I was a big fan of Transformers either. I wasn't a big fan of the shaky-cam and shot choices for the fight scenes, and since the main thing the movie was supposed to have going for it was the fight scenes that presented somewhat of a problem.
There's all the regular problems of flat characters, some bad humour, poor storyline, too much focus on the humans, etc., but I don't think anyone expected anything different. Those weren't nearly as much of a problem for me as the way they shot the fight scenes.
I can see how other people would like it, but it wasn't really for me. This is pretty much the same problem I had with "300".
At no point during the entire movie did Stan Bush's "The Touch" play. That's some fucking blasphemy right there.
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Hoo is merely saying he's not interested in the movie and stated why he felt he wouldn't like it.
I am 99.9% sure that DADDY DAY CAMP is going to be absolute shit, but I'm not gonna go see it just in case
No he stated that he hated the movie. It's on the last page.
I understand what you're saying but you cannot deny that having never seen Daddy Day Camp you will never be able to say for sure that it was terrible.
That being said, I found this movie to be incredibly excellent. I mean, maybe my expectations were rock bottom, but I loved this movie for some reason. Yes, there were a shit-ton of cliches, and a great deal of nonsense...
nonsense:
And pretty much all the parts with humans (although the acting not being a suck-fest helped soften that blow...)
But there were all these other things that pushed the movie beyond what I was expecting it to be... hell, Megatron and Starscream have one line between each other and it perfectly encapsulates there relationship... I don't know, I just thought is was good stuff. Maybe I'm losing my mind...