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Medical Symbols.

IncendaxIncendax Registered User
edited March 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Lately I have been really frustrated by the use of the Caduceus in modern medical symbolism, as opposed to the Rod of Asclepius. I was recently watching Fear Clinic and it appears in that series as well.

What do you think? Am I off my rocker or is it inappropriate for medical professionals to use the Caduceus as a symbol of their profession?

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    No one not DEEP into the medical profession could possibly care about this. I looked up both symbols on wikipedia, and even that tells me that there is a much debate over the topic.

    But again, your man-on-the-street, if this was explained to them, would reply "so what?"

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    it seems the caduceus was adopted by a marines medical branch, which kinda fit for them, but it confused others and now it is more widespread

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited March 2010
    It's a symbol. It's not like you get inferior care from people using the caduceus.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The burning issues of the day.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I wish the symbols were protected

    I walked by a chelation clinic yesterday and almost walked in and chelated all over their floor

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Caduceus should only be used by Sex reassignment surgeons.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Incendax wrote: »
    Lately I have been really frustrated by the use of the Caduceus in modern medical symbolism, as opposed to the Rod of Asclepius. I was recently watching Fear Clinic and it appears in that series as well.

    What do you think? Am I off my rocker or is it inappropriate for medical professionals to use the Caduceus as a symbol of their profession?

    Highly.

    It's silliness itself.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    like words and language meaning of symbols can and do change all the time

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    like words and language meaning of symbols can and do change all the time

    Perhaps, but in this case the whole situation arises solely out of ignorance.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Elldren wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    like words and language meaning of symbols can and do change all the time

    Perhaps, but in this case the whole situation arises solely out of ignorance.

    Which is par for the course with language changes.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    It's not the gradual changing of the meaning of symbols

    it's people mistakenly using the symbol of the silver tongued trickster instead of the symbol of hippocrates

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I prefer medicine adopt the swastika, myself

    but I hear it has negative connotations?

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong My lit AF posts will leave you shook Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    But again, your man-on-the-street, if this was explained to them, would reply "so what?"

    Death to all non-pedants.

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I prefer medicine adopt the swastika, myself

    but I hear it has negative connotations?

    Only people who hate the life-granting sun say that. And Jews.

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  • cyphrcyphr Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You know I can't believe that people are not taking to the streets right now. Society is doomed as long as this travesty persists.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    like words and language meaning of symbols can and do change all the time

    Perhaps, but in this case the whole situation arises solely out of ignorance.

    Which is par for the course with language changes.

    yup

    the Caduceus looks much cooler, anyway

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Evander wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    like words and language meaning of symbols can and do change all the time

    Perhaps, but in this case the whole situation arises solely out of ignorance.

    Which is par for the course with language changes.

    yup

    the Caduceus looks much cooler, anyway

    seriously
    whats cooler than one snake
    2 snakes

    and wings

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    One could also argue that the Rod of Asclepius is an inappropriate symbol itself, because it is actually a symbol of an ancient god, and medicine should be about science, not prayer.

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong My lit AF posts will leave you shook Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Caduceus is so much more badass than the lame old Rod of Asclepius. Maybe if we want the rod to get better adoption, we should jazz it up a little. Make it pop!

    I'm thinking some badass flame decals and maybe a lens flare.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Evander wrote: »
    One could also argue that the Rod of Asclepius is an inappropriate symbol itself, because it is actually a symbol of an ancient god, and medicine should be about science, not prayer.

    You've got to have faith that
    a) you're not carrying MRSA on your scrubs
    b) the bed linens were actually sterilized since the last person was on them
    c) there are no failures at any point in the chain of care to replace gloves/wash hands between patients
    d) none of the equipment is contaminated
    e) the patient isn't going to up and die for no good reason
    f) if they're going to die, the do so on someone else's shift

    or else you'll go crazy.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Caduceus is so much more badass than the lame old Rod of Asclepius. Maybe if we want the rod to get better adoption, we should jazz it up a little. Make it pop!

    I'm thinking some badass flame decals and maybe a lens flare.

    this is the logo of the organization that I volunteer for
    rockmed.jpg
    yes, its based on the caduceus, yes thats some sort of historical travesty

    the question you have to ask yourself is

    is it badass? hell yes it is

    do people recognize us as medical personnel and trust that we have their best interests at heart? yes they do

    then really? who the hell cares

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    that is a bad-ass medical clinic right there

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong My lit AF posts will leave you shook Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I was thinking more like this:

    rod.jpg

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dk did you just whip that up right now

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong My lit AF posts will leave you shook Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fuck yeah. 3am graphic design.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I was thinking more like this:

    rod.jpg

    That uh...

    Um...

    Kinda looks like it should be penetrating something.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fuck yeah. 3am graphic design.

    that is totally awesome

    dk do all the graphic design for my company ever

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2010
    Knoll light factory shenanigans!

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I was thinking more like this:

    rod.jpg

    There's a funny Star Trek joke there, but I'm too tired to think of it.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD along with you if I get drunk well I know I'm gonna be gonna be the man whoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I strongly prefer the Caduceus.

    When I see the Caduceus, the wings make me think of swiftness as it relates to the timeliness of medicine - response times, triage, and the golden hour.

    When I see the Asclepius, I can't help but imagine some old greek dude with a beard using it to tug a parasitic worm out of somebody's ass.

    Okay, so it's not precisely historically accurate but who gives a shit?

    Honestly, my preferred symbol is the Red Crystal. It's iconic, easily identified from a distance, and does not reference a particular religion.

    My least favorite? The Red Cross. The cross as a symbol just sort of creeps me out in general - an instrument of execution should not be used as a symbol for people who intend to save lives.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Yeah, Red Crystal is a cool symbol. Red Cross and Red Crescent just annoy me due to the possible religious connotations that have jack shit to do with saving lives.

    And the mythology nut in me just gets annoyed how people couldn't be bothered to do the slightest amount of research, picking the Caduceus instead of the rod of Asclepius. Both are symbols of gods without a following, so their connotations are the ones that should matter. One is a symbol of medicine, one is a symbol of a messenger. It's all a result of ignorance, nothing less.

    Not a big deal, but if you're going to take symbol from Greco-Roman myths for medicine, pick the one that actually has any relation to the subject.

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  • ResRes __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Oh my god

    I had no idea

    I am going to feel silly every time I put on my uniform now

    There is going to be a burning desire to tell everyone at work that we're wearing a symbol of theft and deception that I shall have to withhold because nobody else will care

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    I strongly prefer the Caduceus.

    When I see the Caduceus, the wings make me think of swiftness as it relates to the timeliness of medicine - response times, triage, and the golden hour.

    When I see the Asclepius, I can't help but imagine some old greek dude with a beard using it to tug a parasitic worm out of somebody's ass.

    Okay, so it's not precisely historically accurate but who gives a shit?

    Honestly, my preferred symbol is the Red Crystal. It's iconic, easily identified from a distance, and does not reference a particular religion.

    My least favorite? The Red Cross. The cross as a symbol just sort of creeps me out in general - an instrument of execution should not be used as a symbol for people who intend to save lives.

    The cross and crescent are practical despite that; easy to construct and highly visible from a distance. So's the crystal, but I've never seen it before today.

    I'm learning a lot from this thread :o

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User
    edited March 2010
    I was thinking more like this:

    rod.jpg

    It looks like Lowly Worm licking a honey dipper.

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The Red Cross doesn't even register in my mind as remotely tied to Christianity or the executioner's tool; it just seems like a little plus sign raising your health. I have no problem with the Red Crystal though, although they might want to work on visibility because the first two google hits for Red Crystal pertain to WoW quests.

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User
    edited March 2010
    If I'm not mistaken, the Red Cross was derived from the Swiss flag, not directly from the Christian symbol. I'm sure most of the Swiss no longer consider their flag to be an explicitly Christian symbol.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    For reference:

    Rod of Asclepius
    Rod%20of%20Asclepius.gif

    Caduceus
    219229-caduceus01_large.jpg

    Yeah, it doesn't really make a difference to me. Personally I like the red cross. It's not really the same as the Christian cross anyway, so I don't see the religious connotation. I mean shit, you wanna talk about bizarre connotations, why the fuck are so many snakes in hospitals?

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Because snakes were seen since forever to be a symbol of renewal and healing, due to their habit of shedding their old skin every now and then, revealing new skin under the old, damaged one. The negative connotations came later, mostly through the bible.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited March 2010
    I prefer medicine adopt the swastika, myself

    but I hear it has negative connotations?

    I really hate how nazism hijacked the sun cross and the swastika. I think it's a really pretty symbol.

    If anyone goes "olol you nazi" at this you're just proving my point.

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm glad the OP brought this to our attention, but I think people should be more concerned about the Satanic connotations of the snakes in both symbols. The Caduceus in particular is truly disturbing, because not only does it have two snakes, these snakes are obviously homosexual (probably lesbians).

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