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OtherOS fallout, Sony's changed the EULA now. It's not good. [Page 8]
halkun
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New firmware up ins, they are dropping OtherOS from the phats. Most likely because the hypervisor on the Linux side has been broken on the hardware level and can not be patched. It appears to be the last gasp for home Cell programming.
IBM has moved on to GPGPU
Toshiba is pretty much going to just use cells in blade servers ($8-$22 grand a pop)
I guess you can lolsony about the fact that this update does nothing but remove functionality, but I was kind of shocked it was still in the phats after the slim came out.
Geohot has got some virtrol on his blog comments. The PS3 Linux community isn't very pleased with him "screwing it up for everyone else"
Just in case you think this is a April fool's joke. check this guy's twitter
This post says it all.
IBM has moved on to GPGPU
Toshiba is pretty much going to just use cells in blade servers ($8-$22 grand a pop)
I guess you can lolsony about the fact that this update does nothing but remove functionality, but I was kind of shocked it was still in the phats after the slim came out.
Geohot has got some virtrol on his blog comments. The PS3 Linux community isn't very pleased with him "screwing it up for everyone else"
Just in case you think this is a April fool's joke. check this guy's twitter
This post says it all.
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(That includes the US Military, among other things.)
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It looks like he deleted his PS3 stuff off his page.
It's an optional update. You just won't get access to PSN.
Which would suit them just fine, unless their employees have been sneaking in a game or 2.
I mean, I hunted a 60gb down in the wild just so I could have a non-gimped PS3. Now if I want to play games on it I have to allow them to cripple it.
Though that 0.01% will absolutely RAGE.
Utterly odd move, but I guess if something's broken, it's broken. And let's face it, not enough people use Linux on the PS3 to make it worth the time and effort to fix the right way.
Then again Linux has always been for people who like to do things the hardest way possible.
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There is no way to fix it the 'right' way aside from a recall. Geohot hacked into the actual hardware, and while he can't do jack in there (despite his ridiculous claims/photoshops to try and save face), I don't think Sony's going to take any chances after what happened with the PSP.
Let that 0.01% rage though, alongside the larger group of people that never would've actually installed Linux but for some reason really care about it now. Personally I probably would've been a bit more negative if I hadn't read some of the posts from the silly geese at GAF.
HyperAquaBlast: PS2 BC and Linux are entirely different things, you have nothing to worry about.
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
I'm still pissed though.
insert Niemöller's "First they came. . ." poem here.
That's a pretty bold claim, why do you believe this is so? Do you think sony would patch out a "feature" just because some guy faked cracking the hypervisor? You do know he made that stuff available, right?
Did you actually read my post? Where did I say he faked hacking into the hypervisor? He quite obviously did, but everything he's said (and shown) since has been pretty unreliable. Or do you really believe the 'hello geohot' screen is real despite the fact that it doesn't line up with the other text?
Turns out not I suppose.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
EDIT: As to the whole piracy thing, honestly rather than pirates using the other os feature they'll likely just develop a modchip that exploits the hole. Sony using bluray has been a much bigger deterrent to piracy than any other hardware or software security mechanisms. The PS3 is what, half way through it's mainstream lifespan before the PS4 comes around? And during that entire time, no pirate games.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
I'm not sure how large the average PS3 game is, but seeing how many games are multisystem, I'm guessing filling up the BD ROM is unusual. I remember reading somewhere that many PS3 games would have chunks of identical data to speed up loading, so ISOs might be compressed considerably. Also depending on how completely the system was broken, some of the data, video in particular, could be encoded to take less space. Recompressing video was used in particular on the Dreamcast to fit games on standard CDs. (The Dreamcasts GD ROM was closer to 1gb.)
The higher priced and less available blu ray burner/discs would also not stop PS3 home piracy*.
A broken PS3 would either play burned dvd9 games or directly from internal or external HD.
I would say the largest piracy deterrent for PS3 is how hard it is to run unsigned code with all privileges.
*Blu ray is probably a great deterrent for professional piracy. A blu ray production line is too probably too expensive for any professional bootleggers.
Although I have not heard of professional Xbox360 or Wii bootlegs that will run on non-modified hardware in the wild. Do they exist?
Exotic disc hardware is no piracy deterrent in it self. The two systems with the most unusual discs the last 10 years, PSP and Dreamcast, were also the two that was easiest to pirate on. (Easiest, as in needed no additional hardware)
All of the above; combined with the price of blank bluray discs, the price of getting a bluray writer and the sheer size of PS3 games it makes more sense to pick up the games used or at budget pricing. A year ago a single 25GB bluray disc would cost something like £10 right?
Looking on ebuyer a spindle of 10 25GB bluray discs costs £14.49, so to round off that's £1.45 per disc. Compare that with a spindle of 100 DVD-R's which cost £8.99, if you're a pirate it makes more sense to own a 360 or Wii.
Good point on the padding, I'm guessing video on PS3 games gets a nice big bitrate. Which kind of explains some of the complaints about video quality of the FF13 video on the 360 version.
I'm guessing most PS3 games are around the 25GB point to avoid the extra cost of dual layer (50GB). A quick look on the interwebs confirms this, Uncharted 1 & 2 are 24GB. Which is funny since nobody can play the pirate copies.
EDIT: If memory serves correctly it was a similar situation to when the PS2 first came out, blank DVD's at the time were pretty expensive.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
Actually, the Wii is the easiest by a long shot.
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If that means pissing off less than 3% of the user base, so be it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off?page=3
The price of blank Blu Ray discs might make hypothetical piracy on the PS3 more expensive then piracy on 360/Wii.
However it is just as likely that a hypothetical PS3 hack would require a genuine disc in the Blu Ray reader to circumvent any anti piracy stuff in the Blu Ray's firmware, and blank Blu Ray discs would never enter into the equation.
This is how piracy on the PSP worked in the beginning, and game data would then be streamed from the internal HD, USB or ethernet.
Cost is probably a large incentive to stay on single layer Blu Ray. Also if dual layer Blu Ray behaves like dual layer DVD, then speed is probably another reason to stay single layer.
EDIT: Wii piracy without a modchip is possible now? I haven't paid attention to Wii news.
The wii doesn't use "unusual discs."
and yes, Wii has purely software mods that exist.
Without going into details, not only are they software mods, but they are pathetically easy to install and most of them have no chance of bricking.
You need an SD card and nothing else.
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I'd imagine that the console's popularity, rather than its architecture, has a lot to do with this. But I could be very, very wrong.
Nah. It has to do with some pretty stupid mistakes on Nintendo's part. First they didn't wipe the 64MB of memory when it loaded a game cube disc (which only uses 16MB). So people were able to able to read stuff they shouldn't have been able to very quickly because they could use existing game cube methods. Then they went through all the trouble to put their signing key on a protected spot on the chip but then they ended up leaving a copy of it in every firmware revision.
EDIT: I might be wrong about the sizes of the ram, but the idea is the same.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
No kidding. I don't own a Wii, so it's kind of hard to get a grasp of this. I suppose it's just a case of different priorities on Nintendo's part.
not to say this isn't a bad strategy.
You are, the Wii has 88MB of RAM and the GameCube used around 43.
Everything else is true, which just means those holes will be fixed for their next go-round.
I figured this such a non-issue that it didn't even warrant a mention, let alone its own thread
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
yep all the wii needs is a HDD, an SD card and about 2 mins of software downloads/installations to exploit it. Its pretty ironic that one of Nintendo's biggest focus when looking at hardware design is anti-piracy measures (Change to cartridges for the N64 small Disc's for the Gamecube etc) and now they have the two easiest consoles to exploit.