Probably in reference to that Pro Mode stuff. Better fucking hope seven string bass guitar songs don't make it into the game. Because then we'd all be screwed.
I agree whoever posted that is acting way too entitled, but on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, the extra string is lower in pitch. So, you couldn't play a 5 string bass part on a 6 string guitar.
It's only an EA game by a technicality. MTVGames is the publisher. EA is the distributer.
In this case, RB info is up to MTV or HMX to deliver.
Once again, their profits are very much affected by sales, not to mention they physically make the game. They're a publisher too. Not to mention EA featured them in conferences past.
And this year there was a new distribution deal signed...
I would suspect that EA has so little stake in Rock Band, the if RB went anywhere else, the only reason EA stock would take a hit is because people are stupid.
But hey, I'm all for Chicken Littling this. It makes for great fun on the Forums. We should expand this from step-child to full-on panic that OZ won't get RB3 either.
First off, EA has enough of a stake in it that they took a big hit when B:RB didn't sell all that well.
Second... what Chicken Littling? I was just making a silly comment.
It's only an EA game by a technicality. MTVGames is the publisher. EA is the distributer.
In this case, RB info is up to MTV or HMX to deliver.
Once again, their profits are very much affected by sales, not to mention they physically make the game. They're a publisher too. Not to mention EA featured them in conferences past.
And this year there was a new distribution deal signed...
I would suspect that EA has so little stake in Rock Band, the if RB went anywhere else, the only reason EA stock would take a hit is because people are stupid.
But hey, I'm all for Chicken Littling this. It makes for great fun on the Forums. We should expand this from step-child to full-on panic that OZ won't get RB3 either.
First off, EA has enough of a stake in it that they took a big hit when B:RB didn't sell all that well.
Second... what Chicken Littling? I was just making a silly comment.
Don't worry. I'm not being argumentative. Frankly, the way stocks go up or down seems to have little to do with logic. People associate Rock Band with EA when EA has little to do with the game in and of itself. So if it falters, people think EA falters... It's crap.
Ultimately, I don't think there's anything to worry about. If EA is involved in anyway, they probably just want Rock Band to be a bit more prominent. Since it's the new edition and all. So they don't talk about it at their own event. (I would figure it's just that HMX didn't want to be part of a bunch of stuff and wanted a little bit of the centre stage action themselves.)
And I was referring to the habit of people freaking out Over There. They take every minor little setback and turn it into some grand disaster. I'd just find it amusing to see the reactions at the thought that EA doesn't care about RB3. Now. Mere days after details have been announced.
Probably in reference to that Pro Mode stuff. Better fucking hope seven string bass guitar songs don't make it into the game. Because then we'd all be screwed.
I agree whoever posted that is acting way too entitled, but on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, the extra string is lower in pitch. So, you couldn't play a 5 string bass part on a 6 string guitar.
Frankly, I doubt it matters. They'll just chart it based on the available hardware. And the hardware is, right now anyway, a six string guitar. The non-bass peripherals work just fine as a bass right now. And the P-Bass model works just fine as a 'regular' guitar. So either they eventually release a specific bass model for the .05% of the people who care, or they make due with what they've got.
I suspect they'll take the easier, less expensive, path.
Probably in reference to that Pro Mode stuff. Better fucking hope seven string bass guitar songs don't make it into the game. Because then we'd all be screwed.
I agree whoever posted that is acting way too entitled, but on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, the extra string is lower in pitch. So, you couldn't play a 5 string bass part on a 6 string guitar.
Frankly, I doubt it matters. They'll just chart it based on the available hardware. And the hardware is, right now anyway, a six string guitar. The non-bass peripherals work just fine as a bass right now. And the P-Bass model works just fine as a 'regular' guitar. So either they eventually release a specific bass model for the .05% of the people who care, or they make due with what they've got.
I suspect they'll take the easier, less expensive, path.
Oh, I'm not at all concerned, and I'm certain they've thought of that. I'm just OCD about preciseness when it comes to certain music related things.
One point; the reason it doesn't matter with the current instruments is because there aren't strings to take into account.
I'm sure they're not going to cut out songs played on a 7 string guitar either (the 7th string on a guitar and the 5th string on a bass have the same tuning). It's not the lack of it being a bass, but rather the lack of the extra string that people were being anal about (5 string basses are more common than 7 string guitars).
Again, I have full confidence that Harmonix know what they're doing and will have a solution for this when it comes to charting.
Edit: For clarification, the top string on a 4 string bass or 6 string guitar (E in standard tuning) is second from the top on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, with the top string on those being tuned lower (a B flat in standard tuning). The 6th string on a 6 string bass is at the bottom, and is higher than the highest string on a 4 or 5 string bass.
Again, this is all just about real bass guitars. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with Harmonix just going with a standard 6 string guitar.
Some shit is just too important to ignore. Apparently the number of strings on a device intended for use with a game is one of them. Who knew?
Either we're in agreement that some people are being petty, or you misinterpreted my informative ramblings. If the former, people will always find something to complain about. If the latter, again, I'm completely fine with them only releasing a six string guitar, because the number of songs that would use the 7th are definitely in the minority. They're needed for playing some songs in real life, but I doubt it will be an issue in RB3.
I'm too tired right now to figure out which it is.
So, what exactly is the difference between Green Day: Rock Band, and Green Day: Rock Band Plus? And is it worth the extra $12?
The Plus version is exactly the same software. The only difference is that it comes with two codes in the manual: one allows you to download the six Green Day tracks previously released as DLC (normally about $10) and the other allows you to export the Green Day on-disc tracks for use in other Rock Band games (also normally about $10). So it's worth the extra money if you want to do both of those things.
By the way, I still have no takers on my offer of the DLC download code. If you have the Green Day disc for 360 and not those six DLC tracks, I would be happy to hook you up.
I'm on PS3, unfortunately in this instance. I drool over RBN so hard. But I can't justify a 360 + second Rockband set just for RBN songs.
And thanks for the info, as I wasn't sure. Amazon listed that even the normal version could export--it just didn't mention that you had to buy the code in that version.
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So on this new standard guitar with the buttons, what happens if you break a string?
Are you talking about the Squire? If so, you replace it.
If you're talking about the 100some button controller, good question. I'm guessing you'd have to replace those too, but not sure how unless HMX, or some other company, decides to sell replacements. Might be a pain in the ass to change too. I guess we'll see.
Don't worry. I'm not being argumentative. Frankly, the way stocks go up or down seems to have little to do with logic. People associate Rock Band with EA when EA has little to do with the game in and of itself. So if it falters, people think EA falters... It's crap.
Actually, I wasn't talking about the stock price... EA has enough invested in the RB series that they mention its success (or shortcomings) prominently in their financial statements.
But yeah, I'm not worrying. I just found it interesting that this is the first Rock Band that isn't getting a full-on blowout at E3.[/QUOTE]
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I'm seriously considering getting a guitar/drum bundle, if the price isn't horrible. I've only been interested in drums, but as a guitar player this new guitar system has me intrigued.
I think I am going to throw like another $300 at my current drums and probably buy the serious business guitar. More than likely I will get the keyboard bundle. Good thing I have some months to save. I need to move tho... I has no more room for all this shit.
I'm so disappointed over GH: Megadeth, I always thought that Megadeth could really fit Rock Band more, and I had confidence that Mustaine would pick the right company... Oh well, I'm still gonna buy it, just like I bought Metallica...
I'm so disappointed over GH: Megadeth, I always thought that Megadeth could really fit Rock Band more, and I had confidence that Mustaine would pick the right company... Oh well, I'm still gonna buy it, just like I bought Metallica...
You...you do know there's two full Megadeth albums up for DLC in Rock Band right?
I'm seriously considering getting a guitar/drum bundle, if the price isn't horrible. I've only been interested in drums, but as a guitar player this new guitar system has me intrigued.
Have they announced the Pro Mode guitar as being part of a bundle?
I'd be really surprised at any bundling of the Pro instruments. It would just be too many SKUs to distribute considering all the combinations, and people interested in one pro instrument may not be interested in others. The partnership with MadCatz means a proliferation of controllers that can be considered "standard":
- Regular RB2-style guitar, which will remain standard
- multiple body colors for these, too, as seen in the E3 booth walkthrough
- and variants, like the P-Bass
- The pro guitar from MadCatz with buttons for frets
- The pro guitar from Harmonix with strings
- RB2 drums
- Pro cymbal pack, which is not needed by those who have the existing cymbal expansion
- Ion drums
- MIDI adapter for other e-drums
- Rock band mic
- or more than one for harmonies?
- Keyboard controller
- MIDI adapter for other keyboards
There are just a ton of combinations now, and a huge part of their audience has some subset already. It can't be worthwhile except in the announced case of the keyboard + game bundle.
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I'm seriously considering getting a guitar/drum bundle, if the price isn't horrible. I've only been interested in drums, but as a guitar player this new guitar system has me intrigued.
Have they announced the Pro Mode guitar as being part of a bundle?
I meant the one with fret buttons. Unless we're talking about the same thing. I assume they'll have a bundle for that, but I could be wrong. I imagine the Squier Strat will be a separate purchase. I'm not interested in it, though as I have enough "real" guitars. The 6 buttons per fret looks like it could replicate the guitar experience fairly well and make it fun again. If I really want to play a real guitar along with the game, I'll just load up my Line6 POD Farm software and put on No Fail Mode.
Though if the Strat doesn't cost a whole lot more than the Mustang, I might consider it. I bet the cost will be substantial, though.
I'm seriously considering getting a guitar/drum bundle, if the price isn't horrible. I've only been interested in drums, but as a guitar player this new guitar system has me intrigued.
Have they announced the Pro Mode guitar as being part of a bundle?
I meant the one with fret buttons. Unless we're talking about the same thing. I assume they'll have a bundle for that, but I could be wrong. I imagine the Squier Strat will be a separate purchase. I'm not interested in it, though as I have enough "real" guitars. The 6 buttons per fret looks like it could replicate the guitar experience fairly well and make it fun again. If I really want to play a real guitar along with the game, I'll just load up my Line6 POD Farm software and put on No Fail Mode.
Though if the Strat doesn't cost a whole lot more than the Mustang, I might consider it. I bet the cost will be substantial, though.
When I use the term 'Pro Mode guitar' I'm talking about a guitar compatible with the coming Pro Mode. So, either one. The Mustang is going to be $150. I expect the Squier to be $289. I don't think either will be part of a bundle.
We would be talking TB:RB bundle prices here. And that was probably a leading cause of lack of sales for that game. If there is a full bundle for RB3, it'll include the 'standard' guitar peripheral so that at the most basic level, the game can be played by everybody.
If they bundled the Mustang with a game, that would be the extend of their efforts. But the cost would be too much to throw in drums and a mic.
25 songs, all master recordings from top artists. Fall 2010 retail street date. Nintendo DS EXCLUSIVE. 8 distinctive gameplay modes. 100 career goals planned. 100+ unique clothing pieces allow for tons of character customization. 10 unique venues.
Key Features
Stylish interface and shell put users into the Rock Band universe like never before - New Narrative Experience – Vignette system. Short scenes that tell the story of your band from local legends to world famous rock stars
Engaging Beatmatch gameplay unique to the Rock Band 3 DS - A return to the more traditional phrase based scoring of previous Harmonix titles. Co-op multiplayer returns along with new competitive multiplayer!
Road Challenge and Career Modes provide users deep gameplay variety - Road Challenges are a focused set of songs and challenges over a set number of venues. Goal based career system caters to the hardcore/full completion users
Some songs will support keyboard sections on the guitar track
Create bands and characters with more customization options than ever before
Gameplay Modes
Eight distinctive play modes for users to explore.
Normal mode – challenging mode where you have to switch between bass/drum/vocal/guitar tracks over distinctive “phrases”
Pro Mode – keep all instruments at a high performance state without the pre-defined “phrase” markers
Party Shuffle – Let the game randomly pick tracks for you to play
Road Challenge Mode – Go on one of ten tours with your band with unique gameplay challenges to test your skill
Career Mode – A comprehensive system of 100 goals for players to complete across all modes of play
Co-Op Multiplayer (ad hoc) – Up to four players can jam together on a song
Competitive Multiplayer (ad hoc) – Two players go head to head with the much anticipated return of competitive multiplayer to a Rock Band hand held SKU
Tutorial – learn the basics of Rock Band and how to play, also practice on any difficult with the fear of failing out.
25 songs, all master recordings from top artists. Fall 2010 retail street date. Nintendo DS EXCLUSIVE. 8 distinctive gameplay modes. 100 career goals planned. 100+ unique clothing pieces allow for tons of character customization. 10 unique venues.
Key Features
Stylish interface and shell put users into the Rock Band universe like never before - New Narrative Experience – Vignette system. Short scenes that tell the story of your band from local legends to world famous rock stars
Engaging Beatmatch gameplay unique to the Rock Band 3 DS - A return to the more traditional phrase based scoring of previous Harmonix titles. Co-op multiplayer returns along with new competitive multiplayer!
Road Challenge and Career Modes provide users deep gameplay variety - Road Challenges are a focused set of songs and challenges over a set number of venues. Goal based career system caters to the hardcore/full completion users
Some songs will support keyboard sections on the guitar track
Create bands and characters with more customization options than ever before
Gameplay Modes
Eight distinctive play modes for users to explore.
Normal mode – challenging mode where you have to switch between bass/drum/vocal/guitar tracks over distinctive “phrases”
Pro Mode – keep all instruments at a high performance state without the pre-defined “phrase” markers
Party Shuffle – Let the game randomly pick tracks for you to play
Road Challenge Mode – Go on one of ten tours with your band with unique gameplay challenges to test your skill
Career Mode – A comprehensive system of 100 goals for players to complete across all modes of play
Co-Op Multiplayer (ad hoc) – Up to four players can jam together on a song
Competitive Multiplayer (ad hoc) – Two players go head to head with the much anticipated return of competitive multiplayer to a Rock Band hand held SKU
Tutorial – learn the basics of Rock Band and how to play, also practice on any difficult with the fear of failing out.
Screenshots on the link at the top.
That's a lot of silly features for so few songs. Why bother with 100 goals and a shuffler if there is only 25 to choose from?
Nothing crazy or new. I was amused at a chart they have in the booth that says "Recent studies show that 1350 is more than 349" and then a bar graph that has a HUGE bar for the songs in the rock band store and a tiny one representing songs in the guitar hero store.
Nothing crazy or new. I was amused at a chart they have in the booth that says "Recent studies show that 1350 is more than 349" and then a bar graph that has a HUGE bar for the songs in the rock band store and a tiny one representing songs in the guitar hero store.
Rock Band 3 Squier By Fender Stratocaster Guitar Controller Price TBA
Fully functional, full-sized, stringed, electric guitar
Technology built into the neck and fingerboard tracks finger positions
Transmits strum data for each of the six strings
MIDI output
Still no official details, but I'm curious how bad that price could be. According to Fender's price list PDF (page 44), a "Stop Dreaming, Start Playing" starter kit with a Squier Stratocaster and "junior amp" costs $599.99.
I'm suddenly expecting this high end guitar controller to cost $600 - $800. Yikes.
Suddenly that $150 pro mode controller isn't looking so bad.
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Still no official details, but I'm curious how bad that price could be. According to Fender's price list PDF (page 44), a "Stop Dreaming, Start Playing" starter kit with a Squier Stratocaster and "junior amp" costs $599.99.
I'm suddenly expecting this high end guitar controller to cost $600 - $800. Yikes.
Two things to keep in mind, the typical price you'll pay for any guitar is about half of the listed price. It depends on the model and popularity, but knocking about 50% off is a good starting metric.
The second thing is: It's a fucking Squier. Decent they might be, but not $600-800 decent.
Still no official details, but I'm curious how bad that price could be. According to Fender's price list PDF (page 44), a "Stop Dreaming, Start Playing" starter kit with a Squier Stratocaster and "junior amp" costs $599.99.
I'm suddenly expecting this high end guitar controller to cost $600 - $800. Yikes.
Uh, a Squier Strat costs about $150ish.
Yeah I am expecting $200-$250. I will probably be in up to $300 but after that not so sure. Sounds goddamn awesome though. E3 so far has been a giant disappointment but the RB3 news still has a smile on my face.
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I agree whoever posted that is acting way too entitled, but on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, the extra string is lower in pitch. So, you couldn't play a 5 string bass part on a 6 string guitar.
First off, EA has enough of a stake in it that they took a big hit when B:RB didn't sell all that well.
Second... what Chicken Littling? I was just making a silly comment.
Don't worry. I'm not being argumentative. Frankly, the way stocks go up or down seems to have little to do with logic. People associate Rock Band with EA when EA has little to do with the game in and of itself. So if it falters, people think EA falters... It's crap.
Ultimately, I don't think there's anything to worry about. If EA is involved in anyway, they probably just want Rock Band to be a bit more prominent. Since it's the new edition and all. So they don't talk about it at their own event. (I would figure it's just that HMX didn't want to be part of a bunch of stuff and wanted a little bit of the centre stage action themselves.)
And I was referring to the habit of people freaking out Over There. They take every minor little setback and turn it into some grand disaster. I'd just find it amusing to see the reactions at the thought that EA doesn't care about RB3. Now. Mere days after details have been announced.
The sky is falling, indeed.
Frankly, I doubt it matters. They'll just chart it based on the available hardware. And the hardware is, right now anyway, a six string guitar. The non-bass peripherals work just fine as a bass right now. And the P-Bass model works just fine as a 'regular' guitar. So either they eventually release a specific bass model for the .05% of the people who care, or they make due with what they've got.
I suspect they'll take the easier, less expensive, path.
So imagine they could make both 6 string and 4 string bass guitars that would be compatible with the game.
Oh, I'm not at all concerned, and I'm certain they've thought of that. I'm just OCD about preciseness when it comes to certain music related things.
One point; the reason it doesn't matter with the current instruments is because there aren't strings to take into account.
I'm sure they're not going to cut out songs played on a 7 string guitar either (the 7th string on a guitar and the 5th string on a bass have the same tuning). It's not the lack of it being a bass, but rather the lack of the extra string that people were being anal about (5 string basses are more common than 7 string guitars).
Again, I have full confidence that Harmonix know what they're doing and will have a solution for this when it comes to charting.
Edit: For clarification, the top string on a 4 string bass or 6 string guitar (E in standard tuning) is second from the top on a 5 string bass or 7 string guitar, with the top string on those being tuned lower (a B flat in standard tuning). The 6th string on a 6 string bass is at the bottom, and is higher than the highest string on a 4 or 5 string bass.
Again, this is all just about real bass guitars. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with Harmonix just going with a standard 6 string guitar.
Either we're in agreement that some people are being petty, or you misinterpreted my informative ramblings. If the former, people will always find something to complain about. If the latter, again, I'm completely fine with them only releasing a six string guitar, because the number of songs that would use the 7th are definitely in the minority. They're needed for playing some songs in real life, but I doubt it will be an issue in RB3.
I'm too tired right now to figure out which it is.
Ain't buying the other ones unless you want to pay for them
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The Plus version is exactly the same software. The only difference is that it comes with two codes in the manual: one allows you to download the six Green Day tracks previously released as DLC (normally about $10) and the other allows you to export the Green Day on-disc tracks for use in other Rock Band games (also normally about $10). So it's worth the extra money if you want to do both of those things.
By the way, I still have no takers on my offer of the DLC download code. If you have the Green Day disc for 360 and not those six DLC tracks, I would be happy to hook you up.
And thanks for the info, as I wasn't sure. Amazon listed that even the normal version could export--it just didn't mention that you had to buy the code in that version.
Are you talking about the Squire? If so, you replace it.
If you're talking about the 100some button controller, good question. I'm guessing you'd have to replace those too, but not sure how unless HMX, or some other company, decides to sell replacements. Might be a pain in the ass to change too. I guess we'll see.
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Actually, I wasn't talking about the stock price... EA has enough invested in the RB series that they mention its success (or shortcomings) prominently in their financial statements.
But yeah, I'm not worrying. I just found it interesting that this is the first Rock Band that isn't getting a full-on blowout at E3.[/QUOTE]
I'm flabbergasted.
oh phew
i was worried this would be like RB2
i wanted the new guitar but (unless i was just dumb) you could only get it in the megapack
so i had two sets of drums for a while and it sucked
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
You...you do know there's two full Megadeth albums up for DLC in Rock Band right?
Have they announced the Pro Mode guitar as being part of a bundle?
- Regular RB2-style guitar, which will remain standard
- multiple body colors for these, too, as seen in the E3 booth walkthrough
- and variants, like the P-Bass
- The pro guitar from MadCatz with buttons for frets
- The pro guitar from Harmonix with strings
- RB2 drums
- Pro cymbal pack, which is not needed by those who have the existing cymbal expansion
- Ion drums
- MIDI adapter for other e-drums
- Rock band mic
- or more than one for harmonies?
- Keyboard controller
- MIDI adapter for other keyboards
There are just a ton of combinations now, and a huge part of their audience has some subset already. It can't be worthwhile except in the announced case of the keyboard + game bundle.
I meant the one with fret buttons. Unless we're talking about the same thing. I assume they'll have a bundle for that, but I could be wrong. I imagine the Squier Strat will be a separate purchase. I'm not interested in it, though as I have enough "real" guitars. The 6 buttons per fret looks like it could replicate the guitar experience fairly well and make it fun again. If I really want to play a real guitar along with the game, I'll just load up my Line6 POD Farm software and put on No Fail Mode.
Though if the Strat doesn't cost a whole lot more than the Mustang, I might consider it. I bet the cost will be substantial, though.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
When I use the term 'Pro Mode guitar' I'm talking about a guitar compatible with the coming Pro Mode. So, either one. The Mustang is going to be $150. I expect the Squier to be $289. I don't think either will be part of a bundle.
We would be talking TB:RB bundle prices here. And that was probably a leading cause of lack of sales for that game. If there is a full bundle for RB3, it'll include the 'standard' guitar peripheral so that at the most basic level, the game can be played by everybody.
If they bundled the Mustang with a game, that would be the extend of their efforts. But the cost would be too much to throw in drums and a mic.
I am both surprised and not surprised that they charted the tympani to the drum kit. That's like a big ol' FUCK YOU to drummers.
http://e3.nintendo.com/ds/game/?g=rb3
Screenshots on the link at the top.
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That's a lot of silly features for so few songs. Why bother with 100 goals and a shuffler if there is only 25 to choose from?
http://vimeo.com/12578646
Nothing crazy or new. I was amused at a chart they have in the booth that says "Recent studies show that 1350 is more than 349" and then a bar graph that has a HUGE bar for the songs in the rock band store and a tiny one representing songs in the guitar hero store.
ha
Still no official details, but I'm curious how bad that price could be. According to Fender's price list PDF (page 44), a "Stop Dreaming, Start Playing" starter kit with a Squier Stratocaster and "junior amp" costs $599.99.
I'm suddenly expecting this high end guitar controller to cost $600 - $800. Yikes.
Suddenly that $150 pro mode controller isn't looking so bad.
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Uh, a Squier Strat costs about $150ish.
The second thing is: It's a fucking Squier. Decent they might be, but not $600-800 decent.
Yeah I am expecting $200-$250. I will probably be in up to $300 but after that not so sure. Sounds goddamn awesome though. E3 so far has been a giant disappointment but the RB3 news still has a smile on my face.