So... I'm curious as to why they aren't producing a 4-string bass controller? I mean, if Pro mode is supposed to be about actually learning the instrument.. why is it only bass that's getting shafted?
I was just wondering because I might have actually shelled out for a pro-mode bass controller for the sake of learning.
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So... I'm curious as to why they aren't producing a 4-string bass controller? I mean, if Pro mode is supposed to be about actually learning the instrument.. why is it only bass that's getting shafted?
I was just wondering because I might have actually shelled out for a pro-mode bass controller for the sake of learning.
Because no one enjoys playing bass, and I'm only half-kidding. It's enough of a risk whether or not people will buy the expensive guitar controller. Making a bass equivalent would be a pointless product which wouldn't result in any worthwhile sales and only cost them money. Bass has always been the least played instrument, by far, within the game. GH went so far as to even allow two people to play the exact same guitar part, just so someone wouldn't always get stuck with bass.
The functional differences are minor, and someone can get the same basic effect using the fancy 6-string. The bassist population, especially within RB, is far too small to warrant such a product. I think the only reason the Madcatz bass exists is that it can be used as a guitar in a pinch. If it only allowed you to use it for playing bass, as this supposed multi-hundred dollar instrument would, its sales would also be underwhelming.
I like playing bass. I usually flub guitar because I end up naturally trying to follow the bass-line. I just tend to tune into the actual beat and rhythm of the song, which is what the bass is.
And I know they have 6-string basses, but its too bad that all of the other pro-mode instruments will teach you how to play, but bass probably won't. I mean, if they have you only play on the 4 lower strings that might be interesting, but otherwise its going to be the only one that ends up teaching you incorrectly for most songs.
Just seemed odd. Doesn't seem like it would be that much money to produce a model that only has a different string plate. Everything else would be identical to the guitar.
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I expect that in Pro mode, only the low 4 strings will be used, as you suggest. For the MadCatz pro guitar, you're already pretty far removed from the instrument, so some abstraction is inherent anyway. For the Squier, though, it's quite a bit more than a different string plate; the instrument needs to be functional outside the game, so it would need the scale of a bass guitar (further increasing the cost substantially). It's not worth it, and I say this as a RL bass player.
I expect that in Pro mode, only the low 4 strings will be used, as you suggest. For the MadCatz pro guitar, you're already pretty far removed from the instrument, so some abstraction is inherent anyway. For the Squier, though, it's quite a bit more than a different string plate; the instrument needs to be functional outside the game, so it would need the scale of a bass guitar (further increasing the cost substantially). It's not worth it, and I say this as a RL bass player.
I was referring to the MadCatz, not the Squier. I know that would be more than a different string plate, and I don't have $500 to throw out anyway. :P
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Just seemed odd. Doesn't seem like it would be that much money to produce a model that only has a different string plate. Everything else would be identical to the guitar.
Maybe they could produce a true lefty guitar. And then a true lefty bass. And then not sell as many as would be profitable. Just because you would buy one, doesn't mean there is a sufficient audience that would also buy it.
Given the general breakdown of the numbers of people who play the already available difficulties, Pro Mode is not likely to be all that popular. Probably less so than Expert ever was.
So I guess the stages are making a comeback? The second one looks familiar. And I guess they're gonna integrate stages + dreamscapes in songs now.
That's less a dreamscape and more a video effect. And given that they appear to be stressing the touring aspect of a tour, I wouldn't be surprised to see more venues.
I like playing bass. I usually flub guitar because I end up naturally trying to follow the bass-line. I just tend to tune into the actual beat and rhythm of the song, which is what the bass is.
And I know they have 6-string basses, but its too bad that all of the other pro-mode instruments will teach you how to play, but bass probably won't. I mean, if they have you only play on the 4 lower strings that might be interesting, but otherwise its going to be the only one that ends up teaching you incorrectly for most songs.
Just seemed odd. Doesn't seem like it would be that much money to produce a model that only has a different string plate. Everything else would be identical to the guitar.
I play bass in real life and not guitar, and it's completely possible to play a 4 string bass song on a 6 string guitar.
Now to properly play a 5 string bass song, you'd need a 7 string guitar, as explained a couple pages back, but there really aren't enough 5 string bass songs in the game to justify making one.
A four string bass and the first four strings of a six string guitar, assuming both are in standard tuning, are the exact same, save for the octave.
Ultimately, I would suggest that all Pro Mode is going to do, for any instrument, is present better mechanics. But if you want to take it to the next level, get the real thing. Rock Band is still just a game. So it will have to make compromises.
I still think it's more for the hand shaping than the actual sound. Because you'll have to pull the guitar off of Rock Band and plug it into an amp to hear it, anyway.
I wish there was a Bass controller so I could actually attempt to learn bass via Rock Band (and chronicle it, of course. FOR SCIENCE) but playing the guitar should be good enough to learn the hand shaping.
For all we know, there might be future plans to do so. Right now, it's just smarter (from a business perspective) to concentrate on the larger audience and see where it goes from there.
We still don't know what kind of backwards compatibility older songs may or may not have.
Well, we know they don't have Guitar or Bass pro. And they're kind of vague on what "old songs" don't have Drum Pro.
Sometimes I wonder if the RttH cover didn't export because the note chart actually has a bug in it.
Although it makes me wonder - since I assume every RB3 song will have Pro Guitar/Bass, I wonder if they'll be using it for the animations if detected? I know the current version is the system guessing, but they could achieve some pretty accurate animation if they did that.
But if you canplay guitar, essentially you can pick up a bass, play it like a guitar, and be in a band. Many bassists in bands are just this, and play it this way. If you trully want to play bass and learn how to "pick" it properly, its not like this game is going to hurt you. Even pro mode to real drums, theres gonna be differences. Plus I know making the transition to RB drums, most peoples technique is shit while playing this game. Takes awhile to learn. Much as slapping, or finger picking on a bass would require in the transition.
I like playing bass. I usually flub guitar because I end up naturally trying to follow the bass-line. I just tend to tune into the actual beat and rhythm of the song, which is what the bass is.
And I know they have 6-string basses, but its too bad that all of the other pro-mode instruments will teach you how to play, but bass probably won't. I mean, if they have you only play on the 4 lower strings that might be interesting, but otherwise its going to be the only one that ends up teaching you incorrectly for most songs.
Just seemed odd. Doesn't seem like it would be that much money to produce a model that only has a different string plate. Everything else would be identical to the guitar.
I play bass in real life and not guitar, and it's completely possible to play a 4 string bass song on a 6 string guitar.
Now to properly play a 5 string bass song, you'd need a 7 string guitar, as explained a couple pages back, but there really aren't enough 5 string bass songs in the game to justify making one.
A four string bass and the first four strings of a six string guitar, assuming both are in standard tuning, are the exact same, save for the octave.
Except for the spacing on a guitar is VERY SMALL AND MADE FOR TINY BABIES.
OM NOM NOM NOM.
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Well, we know they don't have Guitar or Bass pro. And they're kind of vague on what "old songs" don't have Drum Pro.
Sometimes I wonder if the RttH cover didn't export because the note chart actually has a bug in it.
Although it makes me wonder - since I assume every RB3 song will have Pro Guitar/Bass, I wonder if they'll be using it for the animations if detected? I know the current version is the system guessing, but they could achieve some pretty accurate animation if they did that.
I was referring mainly that we don't know what kind of functionality the songs might have (regarding Pro) in the future. It wouldn't be out of turn to suggest that there won't be any functionality, but without any specific denial, it also wouldn't be too out of turn to suggest there might eventually be some functionality.
Right now, there's simply way too much speculation about what is and isn't going to happen. For instance, we know that once 'official' RB3 DLC is released, it won't work with old games. But what we don't know is why. The popular theory is that the data for Pro and Keyboards is incompatible. But we already know that Pro drums is 'there' and that harmony laden songs (Green Day) work fine.
My pet theory is that they simply decided to put all RB3 songs in the RB3 directory (a la RBN tracks) and just won't bother making a title update to older games to support the ability of RB2 or LRB to look there. Not that the tracks won't work, but they're incompatible simply because to the older games, they're invisible.
And my money is that Iron Maiden, at the time, were being bastards about their licensing deals. They okayed the song, but not the use of the master. When the re-license happened, they said no. (Maybe they didn't like the cover version themselves and decided to work to get the 'real' song into the game...) Though, a bug wouldn't be out of the question.
The bug is something like the "disco flip" event is fucked up, so you actually fail out of the song when you weren't supposed to because the red notes have too much fail-weight
Also confirmed that not all songs on disc have keyboard parts
This is somewhat good news. I figure RB3 will no longer lock out songs that are missing parts. So what if the singer has nothing to do... Go make us a sammich!
The bug is something like the "disco flip" event is fucked up, so you actually fail out of the song when you weren't supposed to because the red notes have too much fail-weight
Is this at me? I wouldn't know anything about that. Is that a real thing?
I'll go find the source on Scorehero, but it was discovered that the song had the events set up incorrectly, so the song was actually supposed to be more forgiving than it actually was for missing notes.
Where? In both Power of Love and Bohemian Rhapsody, looks like guitar is on pro (the MadCatz controller) and bass is on regular (a standard controller with one of the new body colors).
You know, since Prince has always had the view that people should go learn how to play real instruments.. I wonder if with Pro Mode, they'll be able to convince him to hand over some of his music? Because that would rock.
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You know, since Prince has always had the view that people should go learn how to play real instruments.. I wonder if with Pro Mode, they'll be able to convince him to hand over some of his music? Because that would rock.
He'll probably come up with some other excuse.
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You know, since Prince has always had the view that people should go learn how to play real instruments.. I wonder if with Pro Mode, they'll be able to convince him to hand over some of his music? Because that would rock.
He'll probably come up with some other excuse.
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I was just wondering because I might have actually shelled out for a pro-mode bass controller for the sake of learning.
Because no one enjoys playing bass, and I'm only half-kidding. It's enough of a risk whether or not people will buy the expensive guitar controller. Making a bass equivalent would be a pointless product which wouldn't result in any worthwhile sales and only cost them money. Bass has always been the least played instrument, by far, within the game. GH went so far as to even allow two people to play the exact same guitar part, just so someone wouldn't always get stuck with bass.
The functional differences are minor, and someone can get the same basic effect using the fancy 6-string. The bassist population, especially within RB, is far too small to warrant such a product. I think the only reason the Madcatz bass exists is that it can be used as a guitar in a pinch. If it only allowed you to use it for playing bass, as this supposed multi-hundred dollar instrument would, its sales would also be underwhelming.
And I know they have 6-string basses, but its too bad that all of the other pro-mode instruments will teach you how to play, but bass probably won't. I mean, if they have you only play on the 4 lower strings that might be interesting, but otherwise its going to be the only one that ends up teaching you incorrectly for most songs.
Just seemed odd. Doesn't seem like it would be that much money to produce a model that only has a different string plate. Everything else would be identical to the guitar.
I was referring to the MadCatz, not the Squier. I know that would be more than a different string plate, and I don't have $500 to throw out anyway. :P
Maybe they could produce a true lefty guitar. And then a true lefty bass. And then not sell as many as would be profitable. Just because you would buy one, doesn't mean there is a sufficient audience that would also buy it.
Given the general breakdown of the numbers of people who play the already available difficulties, Pro Mode is not likely to be all that popular. Probably less so than Expert ever was.
That's less a dreamscape and more a video effect. And given that they appear to be stressing the touring aspect of a tour, I wouldn't be surprised to see more venues.
I play bass in real life and not guitar, and it's completely possible to play a 4 string bass song on a 6 string guitar.
Now to properly play a 5 string bass song, you'd need a 7 string guitar, as explained a couple pages back, but there really aren't enough 5 string bass songs in the game to justify making one.
A four string bass and the first four strings of a six string guitar, assuming both are in standard tuning, are the exact same, save for the octave.
I wish there was a Bass controller so I could actually attempt to learn bass via Rock Band (and chronicle it, of course. FOR SCIENCE) but playing the guitar should be good enough to learn the hand shaping.
We still don't know what kind of backwards compatibility older songs may or may not have.
Sometimes I wonder if the RttH cover didn't export because the note chart actually has a bug in it.
Although it makes me wonder - since I assume every RB3 song will have Pro Guitar/Bass, I wonder if they'll be using it for the animations if detected? I know the current version is the system guessing, but they could achieve some pretty accurate animation if they did that.
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6265935/
the guy is playing pro bass with the guitar
Also that picture comparing the DLC is delightful
I plan on getting a 3DS, so if RB3 plays like Lego RB did (which played like RB Unplugged), I'm there
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6265935/
the guy is playing pro bass with the guitar
Also confirmed that not all songs on disc have keyboard parts
Except for the spacing on a guitar is VERY SMALL AND MADE FOR TINY BABIES.
OM NOM NOM NOM.
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I don't play to learn the real instruments though, so I guess pro mode in RB3 won't matter to me.
I was referring mainly that we don't know what kind of functionality the songs might have (regarding Pro) in the future. It wouldn't be out of turn to suggest that there won't be any functionality, but without any specific denial, it also wouldn't be too out of turn to suggest there might eventually be some functionality.
Right now, there's simply way too much speculation about what is and isn't going to happen. For instance, we know that once 'official' RB3 DLC is released, it won't work with old games. But what we don't know is why. The popular theory is that the data for Pro and Keyboards is incompatible. But we already know that Pro drums is 'there' and that harmony laden songs (Green Day) work fine.
My pet theory is that they simply decided to put all RB3 songs in the RB3 directory (a la RBN tracks) and just won't bother making a title update to older games to support the ability of RB2 or LRB to look there. Not that the tracks won't work, but they're incompatible simply because to the older games, they're invisible.
And my money is that Iron Maiden, at the time, were being bastards about their licensing deals. They okayed the song, but not the use of the master. When the re-license happened, they said no. (Maybe they didn't like the cover version themselves and decided to work to get the 'real' song into the game...) Though, a bug wouldn't be out of the question.
This is somewhat good news. I figure RB3 will no longer lock out songs that are missing parts. So what if the singer has nothing to do... Go make us a sammich!
Is this at me? I wouldn't know anything about that. Is that a real thing?
I'll go find the source on Scorehero, but it was discovered that the song had the events set up incorrectly, so the song was actually supposed to be more forgiving than it actually was for missing notes.
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Ok, so those guys singing the 'Galileo' part of bohemian rhapsody was the most awesome thing ever!
Want.
Where? In both Power of Love and Bohemian Rhapsody, looks like guitar is on pro (the MadCatz controller) and bass is on regular (a standard controller with one of the new body colors).
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He'll probably come up with some other excuse.
"People should respect bass! ... lefthanded bass!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madax7-lMvM
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