I'm only going to tell part of it, because some of it is really emotionally traumatizing to me,
and I really don't want to get into that.
So, while I was living downtown (as usual), we had this girl living with us. Athletic build, not too skinny though,
and moderately attractive. She was a lot of fun to hang out with, and we got along really well. But like I said,
that's another story in itself.
So, after she had been living in the apartment with us for about two weeks, she decided that she was tired of sleeping alone. So one night, while we were sitting around bullshitting and smoking, she stood up and said she was ready for bed. I was all like, "Yeah, good night," and I figured she was going to go into her room. No. She strips down to her underwear and climbs in my bed. I'm sitting there with my mouth hanging open, totally in shock. Within 30 seconds, she is out like a fucking light.
About 20 minutes later, Elliot walks into my room to ask me something.
"Uh, I was wondering if tomorrow we could...What the fuck?"
I smiled and shrugged. We go out into the hall and shut the door.
"What the fuck is going on?"
"I do NOT know. She said she was going to bed, busted down to her Fruit of the Looms and crashed."
"Are you guys fucking on the sly?"
"Yeah, right. You know my track record better than that."
"Well, you never know. So...She just sacked out?"
"Yep."
"You going to sleep in there with her?"
"Yep."
"In the bed?"
"Probably not."
"You're too much of a gentleman. It will one day be your undoing."
"You're probably right."
So, I go into the room, shut the door, grab a pillow and a blanket and sack out on the floor.
Why? Because I don't want to be accused of shit, since she was still kind of engaged at this point,
and because she was sprawled out like a dead squirrel on the highway, so I wouldn't have had any room anyway.
The next morning, she woke up, and then she woke me up in turn.
"What are you doing on the floor?"
"Well, I was sleeping, until I was so rudely interrupted."
"Why aren't you sleeping in the bed?"
"Well, because you were there, and I thought...well, I..."
"Look, there's nothing wrong with sleeping with someone. From now on, just climb on in. We're both adults, you know."
"Yeah, okay."
So this was the way things went for three months, for the most part. She would come home, we would hang out,
talk and go to sleep together. Naturally, the idea of sex came around, and she totally turned me down.
"Look, I sleep with all kinds of guys, but you're different from them. We have a different kind of relationship,
and I don't want something as petty as sex to ruin that."
"As petty as sex? You've been sleeping next to me three-quarters naked for two and a half months now.
I figured it was some kind of sign."
"It was. It's a sign that I trust you not to take advantage of me."
"DO WHAT? Oh, for the love of shit. You have to be fucking kidding me."
"Look, I had a relationship with someone like you once, and we had sex, and it totally ruined everything.
Now we can't even look at each other."
"Yeah, sure. Whatever."
"I know you're disappointed, but it'll pass. I just love you in a different way."
"Uh huh. Whatever the fuck that means."
"Look, don't be mean, and don't be angry with me."
"I'm not being mean, and how can I not be angry?"
"Look, I'm tired, and I'm going to bed. Are you coming?"
"Are we going to have sex?"
"No."
"Then what the fuck else is there to do?"
We shut off the light and went to bed. I was still pissed off,
but it's hard to be that pissed when there is an almost naked person in your bed. She had been runnnig all around town,
fucking this guy and that guy ever since she broke up with her fiance,
and yet she would always come back home and expect me to be her emotional anchor. I had had more than enough.
So I waited for her to fall asleep, and I rolled her over on her stomach and I jerked off on her back.
It was a small victory, but a victory nonetheless.
I got a hell of a giggle out of it when she woke up the next morning and said,
"It must be so humid out. When I woke up, I was stuck to the blankets."
Like I said, a small victory.
ALright, having read this, I can't say I approve of what pickle mouth did, but this girl was just as abusive, but in a different way.
That said, two wrongs don't make a right.
But she was esentially using him as a platonic boyfriend, anchoring herself on him so that she would have a steady base while she ran around having flings and one night stands with whoever else she wanted to.
I've been there, in pickle mouth's position. It's rough. I never did what he did, and, as I said before, I can't say I approve of it, but I can see why he did it, and assuming he recognizes that it wasn't the right thing to do, I don't think I can really hold it against him.
Yes, it was "officially" sexual assualt, but what she did to him, which was perfectly legal, was also much more harmful. If he had spit on her back while she was sleeping, or something else similar it would have been no different, except that it wouldn't carry that "sexual" banner.
But, like I said, what she did to him was at LEAST equally wrong, and arguably even worse.
I'd be interested in hearing what creepy skeletons the rest of you have hiding in your closets and are too chicken to fess up to.
The worst thing I've ever done was probably driving a stolen car into a ravine.
My ex and I enjoyed some bondage games, I smoke pot, this one time I saw people doing coke and didn't report them to the police. Them's some skeletons alright. Oh right, I tend to do 5-10 mph over the speed-limit when I drive, and I'm not sorry for it. Also this one time I stole some crackers from a salad-bar, but then I put them back when my mom told me they weren't free, when I was like six. I guess I clearly have no place passing judgement on Pk, because that's totally comparable, right?
I gotta be honest here - I don't give a shit what you guys do in real life. I just care that you are funny and interesting on this forum when I'm around. If I was meeting you in real life, I wouldn't want you to be a rapist or a back-splooger or anything else bad, but I'm not planning on meeting any of you guys soon.
Man, sometimes girls will sleep with you, for warmth or sometimes cuddling. That's how it works- it doesn't necessarily mean "wipe your dick on my tramp stamp". And if you're going to cross the line and use them as a rag, at least cowboy up and let out a chortle, not a giggle.
If she has a tramp stamp, you can fuck her. She was asking for it by having her body permanently marked as a free parking space for anyone's dick. It's not even rape.
I'm only going to tell part of it, because some of it is really emotionally traumatizing to me,
and I really don't want to get into that.
Right here you dumb ponce. It's in the first three lines of the post.
So you think that there's actually something she could have done to justify his actions? Like what, for the sake of morbid curiousity?
Why don't you read the goddamn post before jumping into the middle of it out of nowhere you uppity fucking twat.
I'm not saying what Pk did was or was not wrong. But I do take exception to the fact that people are screaming that what Pk was disgusting and ignoring the fact that the girl was using him, sending him mixed signals by sleeping in his bed and taxing him emotionally while she could go out and play little ms. slut. I find that to be pretty disgusting.
It's a sexist double standard, and probably stems from some out-moded notion of social behavior, but I tend to think there are certain things a guy can do to a gal that are never justifiable.
I'm only going to tell part of it, because some of it is really emotionally traumatizing to me,
and I really don't want to get into that.
Right here you dumb ponce. It's in the first three lines of the post.
So you think that there's actually something she could have done to justify his actions? Like what, for the sake of morbid curiousity?
Why don't you read the goddamn post before jumping into the middle of it out of nowhere you uppity fucking twat.
I'm not saying what Pk did was or was not wrong. But I do take exception to the fact that people are screaming that what Pk was disgusting and ignoring the fact that the girl was using him, sending him mixed signals by sleeping in his bed and taxing him emotionally while she could go out and play little ms. slut. I find that to be pretty disgusting.
It's a sexist double standard, and probably stems from some out-moded notion of social behavior, but I tend to think there are certain things a guy can do to a gal that are never justifiable.
See, and this is where my point comes in. That "never" justifiable means that you have a category of actions that are always wrong in any context, actions that you will condemn regardless of their circumstances. That's something that, for me, raises a flag.
jesus christ people i can think of more than a few occasions where people have fessed up to worse on these here internets
we don't all gaggle of goose up their ass, and certainly we don't have some ponce from H&A standing up on high when this ain't even a place he frequents.
I'm saying, y'all are making a bunch of drama out of something pretty mild.
I mean, shit, just the other day LobsterFuhrer said he got a 15 year old girl drunk and had sex with her.
People ragged on him for maybe a couple pages, and then everyone stopped caring.
I'd be interested in hearing what creepy skeletons the rest of you have hiding in your closets and are too chicken to fess up to.
The worst thing I've ever done was probably driving a stolen car into a ravine.
So grand theft auto and wrecking said vehicle isn't really fucked up in and of itself? I remember once a while ago when T1 posted at FS about how he and some friends had broken into a car dealership one night to take shots of them pulling stunts on their bikes. He stated quite clearly that they damaged at least one of the vehicles, then they scooted before they got caught. It was quite clear that this was not something he'd done as a kid but was something he'd done very recently as an adult. And almost all of FS jumped on the dicksucking bandwagon and talked about how cool he was. For breaking into a car dealership and causing property damage.
Don't misread my point, I'm not saying T1's an asshole but I am saying that he has his less responsible side and that I think there's a fucked up little cult of personality going on where as long as the bandwagon says something's ok, it's ok. If the bandagon says it's bad, it's bad. So FS defends PK and bans someone who thinks he's a sick fuck. Battle lines are drawn. People make assumptions about what motivated who to do what and then state them as fact. This is all so fucking pointless.
I'm only going to tell part of it, because some of it is really emotionally traumatizing to me,
and I really don't want to get into that.
Right here you dumb ponce. It's in the first three lines of the post.
So you think that there's actually something she could have done to justify his actions? Like what, for the sake of morbid curiousity?
Why don't you read the goddamn post before jumping into the middle of it out of nowhere you uppity fucking twat.
I'm not saying what Pk did was or was not wrong. But I do take exception to the fact that people are screaming that what Pk was disgusting and ignoring the fact that the girl was using him, sending him mixed signals by sleeping in his bed and taxing him emotionally while she could go out and play little ms. slut. I find that to be pretty disgusting.
Yeah! That bitch had it coming! Laddy theory bro m I rite?!
I'd be interested in hearing what creepy skeletons the rest of you have hiding in your closets and are too chicken to fess up to.
The worst thing I've ever done was probably driving a stolen car into a ravine.
So grand theft auto and wrecking said vehicle isn't really fucked up in and of itself? I remember once a while ago when T1 posted at FS about how he and some friends had broken into a car dealership one night to take shots of them pulling stunts on their bikes. He stated quite clearly that they damaged at least one of the vehicles, then they scooted before they got caught. It was quite clear that this was not something he'd done as a kid but was something he'd done very recently as an adult. And almost all of FS jumped on the dicksucking bandwagon and talked about how cool he was.
because they'd get banned if they didn't
god this act is getting old, what should I do next
Wait, what did pickle mouth do? Can somebody either retell it, or link me?
jizzed on a girl's back who had apparently been blue balling him all night and told it as a humorous antecdote
That's hardly a fair representation of what he said. When I read the post I never got the impression he was laughing about it but more like he was sharing a painful experience. I'm not defending him though I'm sure many think I am, I'm just saying it's pretty unfair to misrepresent what he actually said.
if that is his originial post then i'm totally missing the painful experience on his behalf part.
He let a girl sleep in his bed but she wouldn't "pay up". That's like theft. Which is totally fair to punish by sexual-assault. Also, strangling other people's babies in front of them is a perfectly reasonable response to them refusing to bum you a cigarette.
Because we all know men are biologically incapable of saying "no, woman, you can't sleep in my bed, get your own".
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
it's been like this pit of cliquey bullshit and hate for months now.
c'mon guys.
This from the guy who one page ago was going "ololz stupid outsider on his high-horse".
nothing about what i said now changes what i said before.
you're still a douche, and i don't care much at all for you sir based on conduct completely outside the confines of this thread, but regardless i don't really care for your bullshit here either.
I'd be interested in hearing what creepy skeletons the rest of you have hiding in your closets and are too chicken to fess up to.
The worst thing I've ever done was probably driving a stolen car into a ravine.
So grand theft auto and wrecking said vehicle isn't really fucked up in and of itself? I remember once a while ago when T1 posted at FS about how he and some friends had broken into a car dealership one night to take shots of them pulling stunts on their bikes. He stated quite clearly that they damaged at least one of the vehicles, then they scooted before they got caught. It was quite clear that this was not something he'd done as a kid but was something he'd done very recently as an adult. And almost all of FS jumped on the dicksucking bandwagon and talked about how cool he was.
because they'd get banned if they didn't
god this act is getting old, what should I do next
Spoon me? I'm sorry I jumped on your case dude. You're actually taking a pretty reasonable stance on all this compared to some and I can certainly agree that what he did was gross. Beyond that, I consider the matter as being strictly between the two of them.
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Wait, what did pickle mouth do? Can somebody either retell it, or link me?
jizzed on a girl's back who had apparently been blue balling him all night and told it as a humorous antecdote
That's hardly a fair representation of what he said. When I read the post I never got the impression he was laughing about it but more like he was sharing a painful experience. I'm not defending him though I'm sure many think I am, I'm just saying it's pretty unfair to misrepresent what he actually said.
if that is his originial post then i'm totally missing the painful experience on his behalf part.
He let a girl sleep in his bed but she wouldn't "pay up". That's like theft. Which is totally fair to punish by sexual-assault. Also, strangling other people's babies in front of them is a perfectly reasonable response to them refusing to bum you a cigarette.
Because we all know men are biologically incapable of saying "no, woman, you can't sleep in my bed, get your own".
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. And if these movements don't lead to sex, well we just have no right criticising the actions of a guy who was too big a pussy to handle it and went "well, fuck consent".
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i call bullshit
every intial sexual encounter i've ever had i made positive that the girl was on board for what we were doing and knew that she could back out at any time
and i'm not trying to be some fucking boy scout, i just never wanted to get fucked over by the legal system over some shit i never did
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Man, sometimes girls will sleep with you, for warmth or sometimes cuddling.
And sometimes guys daterape girls.
Using other people is wrong, whether you're using them emotionally or sexually.
man, what kind of life are you living in which you've never just slept with a girl without expecting your just desserts? she turned him down for sex, it was spelled out clearly. sure, she was acting like a bitch- so kick that skank out of your bed. Tell her off, shave her eyebrow, whatever, but jacking off to her, on her, in secret is pathetic. It's passive-aggressive. If pk wants to tell such a shameful tale, then that is his business, but he should expect his internet buddies to make fun of it.
it's been like this pit of cliquey bullshit and hate for months now.
c'mon guys.
This from the guy who one page ago was going "ololz stupid outsider on his high-horse".
nothing about what i said now changes what i said before.
you're still a douche, and i don't care much at all for you sir based on conduct completely outside the confines of this thread, but regardless i don't really care for your bullshit here either.
Well yeah but you're a moron. I don't really care what you do and don't care for. I do, however, enjoy pointing it out when morons decide to also be hypocrits.
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ALright, having read this, I can't say I approve of what pickle mouth did, but this girl was just as abusive, but in a different way.
That said, two wrongs don't make a right.
But she was esentially using him as a platonic boyfriend, anchoring herself on him so that she would have a steady base while she ran around having flings and one night stands with whoever else she wanted to.
I've been there, in pickle mouth's position. It's rough. I never did what he did, and, as I said before, I can't say I approve of it, but I can see why he did it, and assuming he recognizes that it wasn't the right thing to do, I don't think I can really hold it against him.
Yes, it was "officially" sexual assualt, but what she did to him, which was perfectly legal, was also much more harmful. If he had spit on her back while she was sleeping, or something else similar it would have been no different, except that it wouldn't carry that "sexual" banner.
But, like I said, what she did to him was at LEAST equally wrong, and arguably even worse.
If she has a tramp stamp, you can fuck her. She was asking for it by having her body permanently marked as a free parking space for anyone's dick. It's not even rape.
That was a pretty good thread, last time you guys did it.
...somebody to say something utterly, utterly reprehensible that they have done in expectation of back slapping at said hilarious story.
Then I never do.
Edit - Quoting yourself and cold, calculating logic. What are you doing bringing that D&D shit into this house, VC?
See, and this is where my point comes in. That "never" justifiable means that you have a category of actions that are always wrong in any context, actions that you will condemn regardless of their circumstances. That's something that, for me, raises a flag.
jesus christ people i can think of more than a few occasions where people have fessed up to worse on these here internets
we don't all gaggle of goose up their ass, and certainly we don't have some ponce from H&A standing up on high when this ain't even a place he frequents.
I'm saying, y'all are making a bunch of drama out of something pretty mild.
I mean, shit, just the other day LobsterFuhrer said he got a 15 year old girl drunk and had sex with her.
People ragged on him for maybe a couple pages, and then everyone stopped caring.
Proportions, people.
And sometimes guys daterape girls.
Using other people is wrong, whether you're using them emotionally or sexually.
Don't misread my point, I'm not saying T1's an asshole but I am saying that he has his less responsible side and that I think there's a fucked up little cult of personality going on where as long as the bandwagon says something's ok, it's ok. If the bandagon says it's bad, it's bad. So FS defends PK and bans someone who thinks he's a sick fuck. Battle lines are drawn. People make assumptions about what motivated who to do what and then state them as fact. This is all so fucking pointless.
Yeah! That bitch had it coming! Laddy theory bro m I rite?!
because they'd get banned if they didn't
god this act is getting old, what should I do next
it's been like this pit of cliquey bullshit and hate for months now.
c'mon guys.
i saw it
i assumed someone else would question it
do you want to go into further detail or is one of those
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
it's because you changed your av/sig
nothing about what i said now changes what i said before.
you're still a douche, and i don't care much at all for you sir based on conduct completely outside the confines of this thread, but regardless i don't really care for your bullshit here either.
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
Yeah, jesus, it fucking sucks balls when people disagree with you doesn't it? Cliquey bastards. We should rape the lot of them, you and I.
We were asking for it.
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In what context did he originally tell the story? I can find it posted by other people all over, but I can't find his original post.
haha, it was in the "exotic places to masturbate" thread
though it WAS only a quote
i call bullshit
every intial sexual encounter i've ever had i made positive that the girl was on board for what we were doing and knew that she could back out at any time
and i'm not trying to be some fucking boy scout, i just never wanted to get fucked over by the legal system over some shit i never did
I just wouldn't sleep anywhere near him, now that I know his moral compass.
Or would I?
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And we've come full circle. The act itself might not have been funny, but at least it was in the right thread.
man, what kind of life are you living in which you've never just slept with a girl without expecting your just desserts? she turned him down for sex, it was spelled out clearly. sure, she was acting like a bitch- so kick that skank out of your bed. Tell her off, shave her eyebrow, whatever, but jacking off to her, on her, in secret is pathetic. It's passive-aggressive. If pk wants to tell such a shameful tale, then that is his business, but he should expect his internet buddies to make fun of it.