Wait, what did pickle mouth do? Can somebody either retell it, or link me?
jizzed on a girl's back who had apparently been blue balling him all night and told it as a humorous antecdote
That's hardly a fair representation of what he said. When I read the post I never got the impression he was laughing about it but more like he was sharing a painful experience. I'm not defending him though I'm sure many think I am, I'm just saying it's pretty unfair to misrepresent what he actually said.
if that is his originial post then i'm totally missing the painful experience on his behalf part.
He let a girl sleep in his bed but she wouldn't "pay up". That's like theft. Which is totally fair to punish by sexual-assault. Also, strangling other people's babies in front of them is a perfectly reasonable response to them refusing to bum you a cigarette.
Because we all know men are biologically incapable of saying "no, woman, you can't sleep in my bed, get your own".
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. And if these movements don't lead to sex, well we just have no right criticising the actions of a guy who was too big a pussy to handle it and went "well, fuck consent".
So in your view, this girl's emotional abuse is totally ok and not at all wrong?
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i wouldn't consider those cases daterape, the male could have been completely ignorant. plus how easy it for her to actually have wanted to have sex at the time and then felt like a whore after.
rapes a pretty serious charge.
I'd be interested in hearing what creepy skeletons the rest of you have hiding in your closets and are too chicken to fess up to.
The worst thing I've ever done was probably driving a stolen car into a ravine.
So grand theft auto and wrecking said vehicle isn't really fucked up in and of itself? I remember once a while ago when T1 posted at FS about how he and some friends had broken into a car dealership one night to take shots of them pulling stunts on their bikes. He stated quite clearly that they damaged at least one of the vehicles, then they scooted before they got caught. It was quite clear that this was not something he'd done as a kid but was something he'd done very recently as an adult. And almost all of FS jumped on the dicksucking bandwagon and talked about how cool he was. For breaking into a car dealership and causing property damage.
Don't misread my point, I'm not saying T1's an asshole but I am saying that he has his less responsible side and that I think there's a fucked up little cult of personality going on where as long as the bandwagon says something's ok, it's ok. If the bandagon says it's bad, it's bad. So FS defends PK and bans someone who thinks he's a sick fuck. Battle lines are drawn. People make assumptions about what motivated who to do what and then state them as fact. This is all so fucking pointless.
It's not something I'm necessarily proud of. It was interesting in a surreal way. I'm also not burning pk at the stake. I don't see justification in what he did, but there's more to him as a person than that single act.
It's a sexist double standard, and probably stems from some out-moded notion of social behavior, but I tend to think there are certain things a guy can do to a gal that are never justifiable.
See, and this is where my point comes in. That "never" justifiable means that you have a category of actions that are always wrong in any context, actions that you will condemn regardless of their circumstances. That's something that, for me, raises a flag.[/quote]
I certainly understand that. It's really only limited to sexual assault and murder, as you defined it earlier. I know it's not logical, but it's an illogical conceit that I can't imagine will ever cause me problems.
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i call bullshit
every intial sexual encounter i've ever had i made positive that the girl was on board for what we were doing and knew that she could back out at any time
and i'm not trying to be some fucking boy scout, i just never wanted to get fucked over by the legal system over some shit i never did
This is my personal philosophy on life. I have no ethics, no moral code, and generally I dislike most forms of authority.
That being said, if I don't want people to jerk off on me or the people I like in this world, I don't jerk off onto other people. I don't cross that line first. If other people cross it, then they should expect their mom to get a face full of protein and they better not cry about it or think it was uncool.
Wait, what did pickle mouth do? Can somebody either retell it, or link me?
jizzed on a girl's back who had apparently been blue balling him all night and told it as a humorous antecdote
That's hardly a fair representation of what he said. When I read the post I never got the impression he was laughing about it but more like he was sharing a painful experience. I'm not defending him though I'm sure many think I am, I'm just saying it's pretty unfair to misrepresent what he actually said.
if that is his originial post then i'm totally missing the painful experience on his behalf part.
He let a girl sleep in his bed but she wouldn't "pay up". That's like theft. Which is totally fair to punish by sexual-assault. Also, strangling other people's babies in front of them is a perfectly reasonable response to them refusing to bum you a cigarette.
Because we all know men are biologically incapable of saying "no, woman, you can't sleep in my bed, get your own".
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. And if these movements don't lead to sex, well we just have no right criticising the actions of a guy who was too big a pussy to handle it and went "well, fuck consent".
So in your view, this girl's emotional abuse is totally ok and not at all wrong?
Wonderful.
I must have missed the part where I even implied that. Guess what, cap'n? Some girls are teases. Fact of life. Know what else? Being a tease doesn't give anyone license to sexually assault you. It gives them license to tell you to get the fuck out of their bed and to fuck the hell off, sure. But then that's not even remotely comparable.
I think its about time for this, plus I mean look at the title of the thread. I can't believe it took me so long!
oh my god
that kid has the disproportionate head down pat
also boner
Yeah, its boner robin. No big. He's only the single best thing to come out of the sloppy cosplay threads. Once, someone even found his myspace or something which proved he 1) was a real person 2) actually looked like that.
Wait, what did pickle mouth do? Can somebody either retell it, or link me?
jizzed on a girl's back who had apparently been blue balling him all night and told it as a humorous antecdote
That's hardly a fair representation of what he said. When I read the post I never got the impression he was laughing about it but more like he was sharing a painful experience. I'm not defending him though I'm sure many think I am, I'm just saying it's pretty unfair to misrepresent what he actually said.
if that is his originial post then i'm totally missing the painful experience on his behalf part.
He let a girl sleep in his bed but she wouldn't "pay up". That's like theft. Which is totally fair to punish by sexual-assault. Also, strangling other people's babies in front of them is a perfectly reasonable response to them refusing to bum you a cigarette.
Because we all know men are biologically incapable of saying "no, woman, you can't sleep in my bed, get your own".
Because relationships work in such a way that everyone has sex immediately, right?
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. Lying inbed together and/or being in various states of undress together is one of those movements.
She was preying on his expectations in order to recieve validation and comfort from him. I'm not defending what he ended up doing, but I can't see ANY way that he was wrong in initially expecting this to lead to sex.
There is an expectation in our society that a man and a woman grow closer before engaging in sex. It takes time before sex, but there is movement towards it. And if these movements don't lead to sex, well we just have no right criticising the actions of a guy who was too big a pussy to handle it and went "well, fuck consent".
I never said "don't criticise", but, you see, if you get to tell your argument, don't I ALSO get to tell mine?
First off, lying naked in bed is pretty damn close to sex. Secondly, once he started letting her lie there, and realized nothing was happening, he got stuck in a rut, wanting to tell her to go, but knowing that if there was ANY slim chance of having sex left, telling her to go would ruin it.
There's also the issue that she made it seem like she needed him to do this for her, and that he would be a jerk for refusing.
Now, I'm not condoning what he did (although I would be willing to make the argument that it was ultimately victimless, andin practise no different than if he had spit on her) but you seem to be ignoring the fact that she was using him. This is not a story of a man victimizing a woman.
This is a story of a woman victimizing a man, and that man seeking revenge. Personally, I'm against revenge, because I don't think it's constructive, but you also need to consider which party is still hurting from all of this, and which party isn't likely even aware of it having ever happened, much less traumatized by it.
It's not something I'm necessarily proud of. It was interesting in a surreal way. I'm also not burning pk at the stake. I don't see justification in what he did, but there's more to him as a person than that single act.
Fair enough. For some reason I thought you were taking the moral high ground along with many others. :oops:
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i call bullshit
every intial sexual encounter i've ever had i made positive that the girl was on board for what we were doing and knew that she could back out at any time
and i'm not trying to be some fucking boy scout, i just never wanted to get fucked over by the legal system over some shit i never did
You might be polite, but not everyone is. I know women who have been "forced" into having sex because they didn't want to disappoint the guy by saying no. It is just as traumatic as any other rape.
Man, sometimes girls will sleep with you, for warmth or sometimes cuddling.
And sometimes guys daterape girls.
Using other people is wrong, whether you're using them emotionally or sexually.
man, what kind of life are you living in which you've never just slept with a girl without expecting your just desserts? she turned him down for sex, it was spelled out clearly. sure, she was acting like a bitch- so kick that skank out of your bed. Tell her off, shave her eyebrow, whatever, but jacking off to her, on her, in secret is pathetic. It's passive-aggressive. If pk wants to tell such a shameful tale, then that is his business, but he should expect his internet buddies to make fun of it.
So, jerking off on her is awful and horrible, but shaving her eyebrow off is acceptable?
That seems pretty skewed.
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what if a guy tells you that if you don't rape a girl he'll rape five other girls
Then you have to do it, i mean, for great justice.
Would you kill your mom if it saved ten kittens? But not like mutt kittens, like purebred kittens.
You know that test like in the CIA where they give you a gun and tell you to shoot the person in the next room, and when you enter it's your wife, girlfriend, mom, dad, whatever. I would totally walk in and blow away my own mom. Not a second of hesitation.
Even when the gun is empty and it was all just a test of loyalty, I'd probably pistol whip her. Just to show the boss I'm in all the way.
It's not something I'm necessarily proud of. It was interesting in a surreal way. I'm also not burning pk at the stake. I don't see justification in what he did, but there's more to him as a person than that single act.
Fair enough. For some reason I thought you were taking the moral high ground along with many others. :oops:
I'm not really taking the high-ground on anyone, except looking in dismay at the people who are freaking out and the dork who came in here via link to pass judgement on a guy he doesn't know one iota. And to be fair, I don't like that dork for my own reasons, he just ain't helping the fact.
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i wouldn't consider those cases daterape, the male could have been completely ignorant. plus how easy it for her to actually have wanted to have sex at the time and then felt like a whore after.
rapes a pretty serious charge.
I'm not talking about rape in the context of punishing the guy, I'm talking about it in the context of the emotional effects on the girl
It's not something I'm necessarily proud of. It was interesting in a surreal way. I'm also not burning pk at the stake. I don't see justification in what he did, but there's more to him as a person than that single act.
Fair enough. For some reason I thought you were taking the moral high ground along with many others. :oops:
Yeah, well, I hadn't made a clear stand either way, so I figured some clarification was in order.
And were you talking about Dyna getting banned? I didn't see if he actually got banned or not. If he did, though, I can see it going both ways. They have weird ban triggers, but Dyna also has a habit of peeing on the carpet.
So, jerking off on her is awful and horrible, but shaving her eyebrow off is acceptable?
That seems pretty skewed.
to be fair you just said that jizzing on her was "no worse than spitting on her" The only legal difference is that one is physical assault and the other is a sexual assault.
I like talking law, so sue me.
Haha, you get it, it's a legal joke.
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What if to survive, you had to go back in time to rape your own grandmother to conceive your father?
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i call bullshit
every intial sexual encounter i've ever had i made positive that the girl was on board for what we were doing and knew that she could back out at any time
and i'm not trying to be some fucking boy scout, i just never wanted to get fucked over by the legal system over some shit i never did
You might be polite, but not everyone is. I know women who have been "forced" into having sex because they didn't want to disappoint the guy by saying no. It is just as traumatic as any other rape.
Also not-okay. But where does that pressure not to say no come from? Perhaps being repeatedly told that once you go a certain distance you are expected to go the rest of the way?
You might be polite, but not everyone is. I know women who have been "forced" into having sex because they didn't want to disappoint the guy by saying no. It is just as traumatic as any other rape.
Not wanting to disappoint someone does not equal being forced to do something. It's a choice, and even if the guy says "I will hate you and never want to see you again if you don't have sex with me right now" it is still ENTIRELY her choice, and it is complete bullshit to call that "rape."
EDIT: It's bullshit cries of "rape" in cases like that that make it much easier to blame the victim in real rape cases. You made a choice you regret, that's not anyone's fault but yours, and now you're jeopardizing the safety of someone who did nothing wrong WHILE making it harder for real rape victims to be heard by the law. Those people are vile.
did he ever tell her to get the fuck out of his bed or he'd jizz on her back while she sleeps?
How many times have we seen a case of daterape where the girl never actually said no because she felt obligated to have sex for one reason or another?
You can fault him for what he did in the end, but it's a double standard to fault him for not having the strength to say no.
i wouldn't consider those cases daterape, the male could have been completely ignorant. plus how easy it for her to actually have wanted to have sex at the time and then felt like a whore after.
rapes a pretty serious charge.
I'm not talking about rape in the context of punishing the guy, I'm talking about it in the context of the emotional effects on the girl
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So in your view, this girl's emotional abuse is totally ok and not at all wrong?
Wonderful.
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rapes a pretty serious charge.
yes, because being unwilling to ostracize a dude and call him a rapist for being gross and sleazy speaks volumes of my own morality.
it's not at all like i could chuckle and shake my head at a thing, disapprove of it, but not consider it heinous enough to toss the guy out entirely.
i mean shit, if i had that high a standard of conduct I don't think I could put up with half of you fuckers. :P
See, and this is where my point comes in. That "never" justifiable means that you have a category of actions that are always wrong in any context, actions that you will condemn regardless of their circumstances. That's something that, for me, raises a flag.[/quote]
I certainly understand that. It's really only limited to sexual assault and murder, as you defined it earlier. I know it's not logical, but it's an illogical conceit that I can't imagine will ever cause me problems.
oh my god
that kid has the disproportionate head down pat
also boner
How has this not been posted?
This is my personal philosophy on life. I have no ethics, no moral code, and generally I dislike most forms of authority.
That being said, if I don't want people to jerk off on me or the people I like in this world, I don't jerk off onto other people. I don't cross that line first. If other people cross it, then they should expect their mom to get a face full of protein and they better not cry about it or think it was uncool.
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Yeah, its boner robin. No big. He's only the single best thing to come out of the sloppy cosplay threads. Once, someone even found his myspace or something which proved he 1) was a real person 2) actually looked like that.
I never said "don't criticise", but, you see, if you get to tell your argument, don't I ALSO get to tell mine?
First off, lying naked in bed is pretty damn close to sex. Secondly, once he started letting her lie there, and realized nothing was happening, he got stuck in a rut, wanting to tell her to go, but knowing that if there was ANY slim chance of having sex left, telling her to go would ruin it.
There's also the issue that she made it seem like she needed him to do this for her, and that he would be a jerk for refusing.
Now, I'm not condoning what he did (although I would be willing to make the argument that it was ultimately victimless, andin practise no different than if he had spit on her) but you seem to be ignoring the fact that she was using him. This is not a story of a man victimizing a woman.
This is a story of a woman victimizing a man, and that man seeking revenge. Personally, I'm against revenge, because I don't think it's constructive, but you also need to consider which party is still hurting from all of this, and which party isn't likely even aware of it having ever happened, much less traumatized by it.
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Did he actually tell it there? All I could find was Joon retelling it.
How much time do I have to prepare?
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Then you have to do it, i mean, for great justice.
Would you kill your mom if it saved ten kittens? But not like mutt kittens, like purebred kittens.
You might be polite, but not everyone is. I know women who have been "forced" into having sex because they didn't want to disappoint the guy by saying no. It is just as traumatic as any other rape.
Man, that textbook would be awesome.
So, jerking off on her is awful and horrible, but shaving her eyebrow off is acceptable?
That seems pretty skewed.
You know that test like in the CIA where they give you a gun and tell you to shoot the person in the next room, and when you enter it's your wife, girlfriend, mom, dad, whatever. I would totally walk in and blow away my own mom. Not a second of hesitation.
Even when the gun is empty and it was all just a test of loyalty, I'd probably pistol whip her. Just to show the boss I'm in all the way.
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I'm not really taking the high-ground on anyone, except looking in dismay at the people who are freaking out and the dork who came in here via link to pass judgement on a guy he doesn't know one iota. And to be fair, I don't like that dork for my own reasons, he just ain't helping the fact.
I'm not talking about rape in the context of punishing the guy, I'm talking about it in the context of the emotional effects on the girl
how many girls is it then ok for you to rape?
And were you talking about Dyna getting banned? I didn't see if he actually got banned or not. If he did, though, I can see it going both ways. They have weird ban triggers, but Dyna also has a habit of peeing on the carpet.
to be fair you just said that jizzing on her was "no worse than spitting on her" The only legal difference is that one is physical assault and the other is a sexual assault.
I like talking law, so sue me.
Haha, you get it, it's a legal joke.
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2,740, one for each victim.
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Oh, I see how it works.
Okay, well, "Some guys jerk off on girls' backs. Fact of life."
There, now that makes everything okay.
Also, Pk's friend did say no.
Not wanting to disappoint someone does not equal being forced to do something. It's a choice, and even if the guy says "I will hate you and never want to see you again if you don't have sex with me right now" it is still ENTIRELY her choice, and it is complete bullshit to call that "rape."
EDIT: It's bullshit cries of "rape" in cases like that that make it much easier to blame the victim in real rape cases. You made a choice you regret, that's not anyone's fault but yours, and now you're jeopardizing the safety of someone who did nothing wrong WHILE making it harder for real rape victims to be heard by the law. Those people are vile.
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