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LCD Monitor for Gaming
Kewop Decam
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I need a LCD monitor for gaming, but I don't know how many MS are required to not having ghosting. Does anything else factor into ghosting?
Also, I don't want to pay out the ass. I don't want to pay much more than $200 if possible. Exactly what should I be looking for when purchasing an LCD monitor?
I'm making the move from CRT to LCD... if it doesn't break my bank account
Also, I don't want to pay out the ass. I don't want to pay much more than $200 if possible. Exactly what should I be looking for when purchasing an LCD monitor?
I'm making the move from CRT to LCD... if it doesn't break my bank account
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824254005
free shipping, 5ms redraw.. it's pretty damn nice.
if I were you, I'd save another $100 and go for a nice $280 range monitor like the samsung SyncMaster 205bw. also sold at newegg.
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5ms = 5 millisecond. in this case, lower the better. thats how many seconds it takes to refresh the pixel.
16ms is a bit high.
PSN: super_emu
Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
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yea, but do all those people play games then submit reviews? I would have no idea if they did or didn't
It depends on the panel type. those 5ms ones are cheaper and very good for gaming, but if you do professional graphics work where color reproduction is important you need one of the other types with 8 bit color.
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I remember a little more than a year ago shopping for an LCD and people freaking out about 8ms response times and how amazing they were. Both my pc monitor and my LCD tv are 8ms and I never once noticed ghosting.
you shouldn't have any problem with monitor I linked.. if you don't trust it look through some named brands as well.. 19" are very cheap now a days.
only lcd I've ever used is the 205bw.. save another $80 and get that if you're not sure about no names. samsung makes fantastic monitors.
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there are quite a few named brands in newegg.
I go korean when it comes to LCD..
LG and Samsung.
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Id recommend it. It cost me like, 280CND i think.
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I have the Viewsonic VP930b. I broke down and got it after I couldn't find a good CRT anywhere near me. I don't want to get a monitor shipped as they are a pain to return, and many online stores do everything they can to not take it, and then make you pay the shipping again. I would definitely buy it in a store.
But back to the monitor. Check Tom's reviews, and see what you like best in your price range. Mine was $360, but I love it so much, and have never seen any flicker or ghost at even the highest FPS. I have heard of people getting a lot of dead pixels on them out of the box, so I would recommend against ordering it or any LCD display online.
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And with a 3 year warranty too.
It's like sex and is amazing for gaming. (also a nice feature is that built into the hardware when the monitor detects a 4:3 source it will automatically crop the sides so if something doesn't support widescreen you don't have to put up with any stretching bullshit. And again the hardware does this so crappy nvidia drivers, etc.. don't matter)
LG is all sex.
LG is a panel manufacturer too.. many name brands use LG panels. this is one of the reason why I go korean when it comes to LCD.. they make their own panels.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
The 2005FP is a nice choice, its 4:3, but it costs like 450 dollars.
Ive never understood why its so hard to make a goddamn 4:3 LCD.
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Samsung's own monitors are made using the Not The Best But Still Awesome screens, which are therefore cheaper, but still high quality. I have a 204b myself. No visible ghosting.
And yes, I bought it specifically because it's 4:3. Yes, I do like being able to play all games regardless of supported resolutions. Yes, I do like not having to buy a new Wacom tablet.
Just to add, I have a 2407WFP. It is also sex. I really would never go back to a 4:3 monitor now.
I think this is a bullshit spec for which the target number gets lowered as the technology improves. I had a monitor with a 28ms response time, and it was fine for any game except older ones. For example, Unreal 2004 looked great while Return to Wolfenstein had significant ghosting.
Oh my god me too. I love it so..
I had one with a bad component input for about 3 months until Dell finally caved and sent me a replacement. If you'd asked me during that 3 months if I liked the monitor I would've told you it was a huge waste of money.. Now I've got my PS2 and Wii hooked up through a component switch and it's back being my best purchase in a long time.
Only problem is the upscaler inside is a sack of shit so anything coming in through composite / s-video looks like ass.
On my Dell 2005 FPW, I get ghosting very, very rarely. Infact, in only 1 scenario. It is when I fly the chopper in BF2 and spin the world 360 degrees but intead of ghosting it is more like a clip. Like a weird refresh line that will occur in the middle of the screen. It happens very fast so it isn't as bad as I am describing and also pretty rare. I know it isn't FPS because my FPS doesn't drop when it occurs. Anyhow, it isn't a big deal and I don't regret the purchase at all.
One thing I would say though, is if there is anything you should be willing to shop outside your range for, it is a monitor. They should last longer than any other computer purchase and most times get handed down to others in completely working condition. Meaning they can be resold or just used by a friend or family. If you shortchange yourself on your monitor, you may end up dealing with a crappy monitor for many, many years.
No matter what people are saying, there is no LCD without ghosting. Also, marketing ppl lie a lot about the response time, or call different things with the same name in order to show off their lower number.
That said, I personally tried 10+ models before settling on a EIZO FlexScan S1910 used almost exclusively for gaming (that was a year ago, tho). Anyway, pretty happy with it.
That's not ghosting, that's because you don't have "wait for vsync" on in the graphics options. A CRT would do that too.
It does have a "glossy" LCD screen though, make sure you understand the differences between the glossy and matte finishes before you shell out the cash for a new LCD.
That said I recently picked up a pair of these for my wifes PC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002122
The picture quality is amazing and they are true 4ms response. I've used a lot of the 2ms response units that weren't really 2ms, or traded off image quality to hit that speed. They are pricey for a 19inch unit but I'm happy with them for an LCD.
I can game on them and insert random percentage here of the time I can't detect the lag that ALL LCD's have. I can feel it in quake1/3 and it pisses me off but that's not a flaw in the monitor it's just a flaw of LCD's period. I'm also a quake fanatic so I probably detect lag far easier then others.
They do have the glossy screen which is a personal taste issue.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112005
I have that. Besides a bit of backlight bleeding, a crappy stand and poor DVI cables(which are all replaceable)-- It fucking rocks. For the price of your NEC, you could be running 22inches widescreen. No glossy though. I prefer glossy myself.
Oh yes, It looks fucking sweet on 360 vga. It properly resizes the max resolution available for this monitor 1920x1280(something like that)
I have a 22inch CRT that I use for gaming and work on my PC, I don't need a WS LCD.
I purchase the high end with monitors because they last. A good monitor will last you through several PC builds, it's worth the splurge to get the name brand.
I'm actually pretty surprised you'd say the picture quality on a TN+film LCD is good.
And widescreen isn't good? That's a new one.
Thats one of the biggest lies going on in gaming today. If your game supports widescreen, and it's been a long long time since i've encountered a new game that doesn't, it is fucking AMAZING.
I thought wait for vsync would only be an issue if your framerate spiked significantly, but I could be wrong. If so, then no I've never seen ghosting on my dell. But I wanted to throw it out there.
AnandTech forums LCD buyer's guide:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1745344&enterthread=y
For the record, I've recently picked up the Samsung SyncMaster 941BW (19" Wide) for a brisk $220 beans shipped, and it is sick. I game as hard as any, and as HardTarget said, I've no problems.
That being said, my 1440 resolution IS a bit more taxing on my GPU, but not by an appreciable amount.
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I was hoping to get one with a higher res than that, but seems like I won't be able to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116381
There is an enormous thread on HardOCP singing the praises of this fine monitor. I use it myself and it's quite excellent.
Really... I encounter more games that do not support it than those that do. Of course, they've been shitty EA titles. Battlefield, NFS: Carbon, etc. The widescreen hacks cut your field of view and have caused crashes for me at times.
People keep posting without reading the OP... 340 is too much!