Well, it's still slightly relevant as I am bitching to much of the X-men stories being terrible. 8-)
Already read Astonishing by the way. Good, but smacks of Wheadon's usual formula.
Pick up the Claremont/Byrne run.
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I know, but that's common with the X-Men these days.
I would recommend Mike Carey's X-Men and X-Men Legacy stuff, as it's very good and he plays with the table scraps basically of other writers, but while he hasn't had anything retconned yet, and actually made very good stories out of fixing other people's crappy mistakes, it's basically going to be reversed any month now, it just has that feeling.
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His Rogue and Xavier stuff, the Danger stuff, he's setting up to fix Gambit's death problem but that can be changed. He did the Bobby/Mystique stuff but I don't know if he was able to resolve it or another writer did.
Carey has been on the adjective-less X-Men title longer than any other writer, but I always get this feeling if someone like Alan Heinberg or Greg Pak wanted it, they'd kick him to the curb without so much as a thank you.
It's going to happen sooner or later. Jean gets written back in the usual deus ex machina way, Emma Frost goes evil again, status quo back to normal.
I wish to holy hell comics would follow some modern day guidelines, like not retconning everything back to "normal", or bringing people back from the dead over and over. This is why shit like One More Day still happens. Lord forbid that the 150 year old Aunt May doesn't just rest in peace by now.
Out of curiosity, who's been killed and resurrected the most in Marvel? I bet it's an X-man.
Well let me elaborate a bit on what I'd like to see in an X book (I'm still somewhat bitching so it fits here).
I feel like X-men has never taken its theme of mutant persecution seriously. Sure, there's a lot of stories and situations where they experience the pain of hatred and racism, but by the end of the day they're wearing their sexy spandex and fighting aliens and whatnot.
Morrison's X-men run was certainly dark and edgy, but I also felt it was a bit too, what's the word....Grindhouse. Grimdark for the sake of Grimdark. Also had some really ugly (as in the characters) artwork.
I want more personal mutant stories where the characters aren't A-class superheroes, and the fear of going to school or crossing the ally and being lynched by human radicals is something that can occur at any time. Remember when characters use to crap themselves when Sentinels showed up? I want more of that.
In the 90's cartoon, Jubilee was the one I always identified with the most, since she was the weakest member by a country mile, and the one who was constantly in the thick of mutant persecution. Getting kidnapped by the FOH and being publicly lynched hit some nice emotional chords, even though Wolverine quickly bailed her ass out. I also highly prefer Rogue from the movies over 90's pornstar Rogue, who instead of being extra careful about not touching people would visit bars while wearing daisy dukes and whatever she believed would pass for a shirt.
Fraction touched on that very briefly when the X-Men moved to San Fran. Pixie got in quite a bit of trouble due to mutant hate.
However, I can't in good conscience recommend that you read the Fraction X-Men because it isn't that good. And the Pixie stuff is hardly the focus of the story. Its more like a foot-note to a foot-note.
The sad thing about X-Men is that it's a great core concept which has been messed up by years of hideously twisted continuity, angst and stupid ideas. It's one of the reasons that Ultimate X-Men being poor was so disappointing, it was allowed to take the core concept back to it's roots and in some ways did so but suffered that in places it was simply bad.
I also wish there was a Rogue story that focused on her "sexual awakening", and the kind of torment she'd have to go through knowing she can't relieve those urges (with another partner).
This was briefly touched in, again, the cartoon, when she was given the opportunity to have physical contact with her former boyfriend, and went into a hormonal rage when she was denied vacation time to "catch up" with him.
Yeah, it would be fanboy wankery, but that's what oldschool Rogue was regardless. I would totally support a Marvel Knights title that took this to more explicit, but simultaneously more dramatic, stories.
And I seriously concur with Ultimate X-men. After having discovered the sheer brilliance of Ultimate Spidey, I browsed a couple of volumes of X-men before realizing that it was more of the same BS, instead of choosing to rewrite things from scratch.
I just believe it makes more sense that she would be miserable and ultimately ashamed of her unobtainable desires, rather than tarting up and acting like the ultimate superheroine cocktease. Even goth Rogue from the Evolution cartoon was a more believable portrayal.
It probably would but it would also take away from the fun of the comic. Rogue being a southern sexpot was always something I found fun about the character, maybe it didn't make sense but she looked hot and sometimes comics are better when they're more fun rather than more realistic.
It could make for an interesting story but I don't think it would be easy to do and remain at all tasteful.
There's already like 300 X-books featuring "fun" storylines and situations that cater to the average comic demographic.
One alternate series more grounded in reality and personal situations wouldn't hurt. It seems if it's even vaguely related to mutants, Marvel will publish it without a second though.
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So in the DC books this week they have previews for Green Arrow #1, and surprise surprise, it has a bunch of gang members trying to rape a woman (before GA shoots them all with totally serious non gimmick arrows).
It's like every week there has to be a rape or attempted rape in a DC comic.
I get tired of bringing it up but its the kind of shit you can't let go because DC would think they're doing something right.
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War of the Supermen #2, this is one of the worst fucking pages I've read in a comic:
Yeah! Yeah! Those fucking [strike]Mexicans[/strike] aliens deserve to die for some reason that Geoff Johns and James Robinson gave me! And my telepathic assassin and I are totally going to FUCK SHIT UP!
There is also an army base on Mars, which seems big enough J'onn might have seen it when terraforming the planet.
War of the Supermen #2, this is one of the worst fucking pages I've read in a comic:
Yeah! Yeah! Those fucking [strike]Mexicans[/strike] aliens deserve to die for some reason that Geoff Johns and James Robinson gave me! And my telepathic assassin and I are totally going to FUCK SHIT UP!
There is also an army base on Mars, which seems big enough J'onn might have seen it when terraforming the planet.
If Zod doesn't smear him into paste I'm gonna kill someone.
So in the DC books this week they have previews for Green Arrow #1, and surprise surprise, it has a bunch of gang members trying to rape a woman (before GA shoots them all with totally serious non gimmick arrows).
It's like every week there has to be a rape or attempted rape in a DC comic.
I get tired of bringing it up but its the kind of shit you can't let go because DC would think they're doing something right.
As soon as I read that I thought, "Man, I always wanted to see how the Emerald Archer would deal with rape." In the DCU, the Maslow hierarchy of needs apparently goes: Physiological, Safety, Belonging, Esteem, and Rape.
What bothers me is that I'm sure writers are using it for two reasons. First, it's "adult," and says that very dark and dramatic things are allowed to happen in the story. Second, it's a shortcut to make the random thugs instantly very villainous, and therefore excuse any terrible thing that happens to them. Like Arrow shooting one's nose off. But that kind of writing is so damn juvenile and without subtlety or tact.
Would it be so awful to write a gang of hoodlums in a ravaged city as desperate people, committing crimes of necessity or opportunity, as actually happens when a city's struck by disaster? Or at least show that not everyone in the group's ready to board the rape train?
Hh.
Anyhow, other bitch-fits this week include Max Lord killing two police officers for no reason in the opening pages of Generation Lost, and then being presented as a sympathetic antagonist later on. Booster continuing to be handled as a completely ineffectual joke of a hero that gets bitched out by, of all people, Power Girl. A melancholy Ice sitting around her apartment in the dark, smashing TVs in a fit of rage. And so on. I really want to like this book, but I don't think it's going to work out between me and Giffen/Winick.
The coloring in Birds of Prey looked awful. Just really weird, soft, and airbrush-y, which doesn't work at all with Benes' art.
I could have done without a scene in Booster Gold that had him again suffering massive failure in his attempts at heroism, but it was redeemed by the rest of the issue being so good.
So in the DC books this week they have previews for Green Arrow #1, and surprise surprise, it has a bunch of gang members trying to rape a woman (before GA shoots them all with totally serious non gimmick arrows).
It's like every week there has to be a rape or attempted rape in a DC comic.
I get tired of bringing it up but its the kind of shit you can't let go because DC would think they're doing something right.
As soon as I read that I thought, "Man, I always wanted to see how the Emerald Archer would deal with rape." In the DCU, the Maslow hierarchy of needs apparently goes: Physiological, Safety, Belonging, Esteem, and Rape.
What bothers me is that I'm sure writers are using it for two reasons. First, it's "adult," and says that very dark and dramatic things are allowed to happen in the story. Second, it's a shortcut to make the random thugs instantly very villainous, and therefore excuse any terrible thing that happens to them. Like Arrow shooting one's nose off. But that kind of writing is so damn juvenile and without subtlety or tact.
Would it be so awful to write a gang of hoodlums in a ravaged city as desperate people, committing crimes of necessity or opportunity, as actually happens when a city's struck by disaster? Or at least show that not everyone in the group's ready to board the rape train?
Hh.
Anyhow, other bitch-fits this week include Max Lord killing two police officers for no reason in the opening pages of Generation Lost, and then being presented as a sympathetic antagonist later on. Booster continuing to be handled as a completely ineffectual joke of a hero that gets bitched out by, of all people, Power Girl. A melancholy Ice sitting around her apartment in the dark, smashing TVs in a fit of rage. And so on. I really want to like this book, but I don't think it's going to work out between me and Giffen/Winick.
The coloring in Birds of Prey looked awful. Just really weird, soft, and airbrush-y, which doesn't work at all with Benes' art.
I could have done without a scene in Booster Gold that had him again suffering massive failure in his attempts at heroism, but it was redeemed by the rest of the issue being so good.
But hey, REBELS was awesome this week, so go DC.
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The guy that I hire to polish my mini-busts and clean the algae out of my Olympic-sized pool seems shifty. I bet he could tell some of these writers a thing or two about a thing or two.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Pet Avengers #3, good as usual, nothing wrong with it.
But there was an Audrey Loeb comic in the back dealing with Blue Hulk and Pet Avengers, and it annoys me because it's done in Mini Marvels style when we were told that we can't have Mini Marvels because they are so much better than Super Hero Squad that it makes Marvel Animation look bad.
Also, it wasn't funny. At All. There's no joke in it. With the Mini Marvels stories that were longer than one page, Chris G. knew enough to make the page stand on it's own with a joke (he even did the same thing with G-Man, every page could be stand alone). And Lockjaw doesn't talk, he's the quiet stoic type. I don't like picking on the writing of a kid, and it's more the plagiarism of a Mini Marvels plus a bad story, see below:
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Marvel's reason is that Super Hero Squad, the TV show and now comic, is too similar to the far superior Mini Marvels (which was done fist, as we all know), and to avoid "confusion" Mini Marvels got the axe and Elton John played Candle in the Wind.
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In the future, use the new to comics thread or the comic questions thread (I'm not trying to be rude but am just directing you towards the right avenues).
Well, it's still slightly relevant as I am bitching to much of the X-men stories being terrible. 8-)
Already read Astonishing by the way. Good, but smacks of Wheadon's usual formula.
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Pick up the Claremont/Byrne run.
I would recommend Mike Carey's X-Men and X-Men Legacy stuff, as it's very good and he plays with the table scraps basically of other writers, but while he hasn't had anything retconned yet, and actually made very good stories out of fixing other people's crappy mistakes, it's basically going to be reversed any month now, it just has that feeling.
Carey has been on the adjective-less X-Men title longer than any other writer, but I always get this feeling if someone like Alan Heinberg or Greg Pak wanted it, they'd kick him to the curb without so much as a thank you.
It's going to happen sooner or later. Jean gets written back in the usual deus ex machina way, Emma Frost goes evil again, status quo back to normal.
I wish to holy hell comics would follow some modern day guidelines, like not retconning everything back to "normal", or bringing people back from the dead over and over. This is why shit like One More Day still happens. Lord forbid that the 150 year old Aunt May doesn't just rest in peace by now.
Out of curiosity, who's been killed and resurrected the most in Marvel? I bet it's an X-man.
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After that it's Jean, Wolverine killed her like 10 times alone in Phoenix: Endsong.
I feel like X-men has never taken its theme of mutant persecution seriously. Sure, there's a lot of stories and situations where they experience the pain of hatred and racism, but by the end of the day they're wearing their sexy spandex and fighting aliens and whatnot.
Morrison's X-men run was certainly dark and edgy, but I also felt it was a bit too, what's the word....Grindhouse. Grimdark for the sake of Grimdark. Also had some really ugly (as in the characters) artwork.
I want more personal mutant stories where the characters aren't A-class superheroes, and the fear of going to school or crossing the ally and being lynched by human radicals is something that can occur at any time. Remember when characters use to crap themselves when Sentinels showed up? I want more of that.
In the 90's cartoon, Jubilee was the one I always identified with the most, since she was the weakest member by a country mile, and the one who was constantly in the thick of mutant persecution. Getting kidnapped by the FOH and being publicly lynched hit some nice emotional chords, even though Wolverine quickly bailed her ass out. I also highly prefer Rogue from the movies over 90's pornstar Rogue, who instead of being extra careful about not touching people would visit bars while wearing daisy dukes and whatever she believed would pass for a shirt.
So yeah, is there a book like that?
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The second series, I mean.
However, I can't in good conscience recommend that you read the Fraction X-Men because it isn't that good. And the Pixie stuff is hardly the focus of the story. Its more like a foot-note to a foot-note.
The sad thing about X-Men is that it's a great core concept which has been messed up by years of hideously twisted continuity, angst and stupid ideas. It's one of the reasons that Ultimate X-Men being poor was so disappointing, it was allowed to take the core concept back to it's roots and in some ways did so but suffered that in places it was simply bad.
This was briefly touched in, again, the cartoon, when she was given the opportunity to have physical contact with her former boyfriend, and went into a hormonal rage when she was denied vacation time to "catch up" with him.
Yeah, it would be fanboy wankery, but that's what oldschool Rogue was regardless. I would totally support a Marvel Knights title that took this to more explicit, but simultaneously more dramatic, stories.
And I seriously concur with Ultimate X-men. After having discovered the sheer brilliance of Ultimate Spidey, I browsed a couple of volumes of X-men before realizing that it was more of the same BS, instead of choosing to rewrite things from scratch.
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is a really really weird thing to want.
Probably for less intellectual reasons than your though.
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It could make for an interesting story but I don't think it would be easy to do and remain at all tasteful.
One alternate series more grounded in reality and personal situations wouldn't hurt. It seems if it's even vaguely related to mutants, Marvel will publish it without a second though.
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It's like every week there has to be a rape or attempted rape in a DC comic.
I get tired of bringing it up but its the kind of shit you can't let go because DC would think they're doing something right.
Is this something hard to do? Good writing?
Same for The Question.
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Yeah! Yeah! Those fucking [strike]Mexicans[/strike] aliens deserve to die for some reason that Geoff Johns and James Robinson gave me! And my telepathic assassin and I are totally going to FUCK SHIT UP!
There is also an army base on Mars, which seems big enough J'onn might have seen it when terraforming the planet.
If Zod doesn't smear him into paste I'm gonna kill someone.
What bothers me is that I'm sure writers are using it for two reasons. First, it's "adult," and says that very dark and dramatic things are allowed to happen in the story. Second, it's a shortcut to make the random thugs instantly very villainous, and therefore excuse any terrible thing that happens to them. Like Arrow shooting one's nose off. But that kind of writing is so damn juvenile and without subtlety or tact.
Would it be so awful to write a gang of hoodlums in a ravaged city as desperate people, committing crimes of necessity or opportunity, as actually happens when a city's struck by disaster? Or at least show that not everyone in the group's ready to board the rape train?
Hh.
Anyhow, other bitch-fits this week include Max Lord killing two police officers for no reason in the opening pages of Generation Lost, and then being presented as a sympathetic antagonist later on. Booster continuing to be handled as a completely ineffectual joke of a hero that gets bitched out by, of all people, Power Girl. A melancholy Ice sitting around her apartment in the dark, smashing TVs in a fit of rage. And so on. I really want to like this book, but I don't think it's going to work out between me and Giffen/Winick.
The coloring in Birds of Prey looked awful. Just really weird, soft, and airbrush-y, which doesn't work at all with Benes' art.
I could have done without a scene in Booster Gold that had him again suffering massive failure in his attempts at heroism, but it was redeemed by the rest of the issue being so good.
But hey, REBELS was awesome this week, so go DC.
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But there was an Audrey Loeb comic in the back dealing with Blue Hulk and Pet Avengers, and it annoys me because it's done in Mini Marvels style when we were told that we can't have Mini Marvels because they are so much better than Super Hero Squad that it makes Marvel Animation look bad.
Also, it wasn't funny. At All. There's no joke in it. With the Mini Marvels stories that were longer than one page, Chris G. knew enough to make the page stand on it's own with a joke (he even did the same thing with G-Man, every page could be stand alone). And Lockjaw doesn't talk, he's the quiet stoic type. I don't like picking on the writing of a kid, and it's more the plagiarism of a Mini Marvels plus a bad story, see below:
**holds you**
It'll be alright Mojo, it'll be alright. We'll get through this together. Just drink this and go to sleep and the pain will stop.
I guess JT Krul is going to be writing TEEN TITANS soon. Can't wait!