TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
Cap #606, everyone said wait until it comes out, don't go by Brubaker's interviews.
Well guess what, Zemo is bad again just because Brubaker wanted him to be (and Fixer is too, which doesn't sync up with T-Bolts or his recent actions, so it's like a double whammy for T-Bolters). He's even wearing his dinky old Zemo outfit.
In this week's Booster Gold, it's stated that changing the past only creates a branching timeline, and would not affect the main DCU.
What.
The.
Fuck?
It's bad enough that the refrain throughout the book has been that nobody can change the past (except bad people who Booster has to stop, the whole point of the book). But now it's stated that nothing those assholes would have done would affect anyone anyway, except by creating an alternate reality? What the fuck was the point of Booster's adventures exactly? How did Booster manage to fuck up the present in the second arc of the book? What exactly does Booster Gold's editor do all day?
I really want to know who greenlit a series about a mopey, put-upon Booster Gold.
I will say, outside of that minor quibble, the rest of the issue was better than damn near every issue that came before it. Booster fights a funny villain, the kid he adopted does some adorable stuff, he hangs out with the JLI in the past, and he yells at Cyborg, while simultaneously rebuking the derision that's always pointed at the JLI. As a whole it's not great, because the main plotline's kind of boring and doesn't go anywhere, but all the little pieces of character interaction and dialogue are well done.
I'm on the verge of dropping Iron Man. I have lost all faith in Matt Fraction's ability to tell a story. Today's Iron Man issue was pretty awful. Basically nothing at all happened. The whole thing was just one giant conversation.
Fraction's work seems to be about 90% fluff these days. Sure, there's a rare gem every now and again, like the time-travel X-Men issue, but those issues seem to be fewer and fewer.
When this arc of Iron Man is released in trade, they could completely omit today's issue and the story would be unaffected.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
The Uncanny X-Men issue this week was really really decompressed too. And it felt like I was reading a 90's issue, everyone's all "let's kill people to the extreme because we're so cool mutants."
Dodson should go draw the FF though, the few pages they were in the book looked amazing.
And Iron Man I'm dropping as well, I thought maybe it would click back to what IIM #1-6 were, but it seems to be more of the decompressed story traits Fraction hasn't let go of since World's Most Wanted. Justine Hammer is still a good antagonist/villain but she's not worth picking up the whole issue for.
Really? I haven't liked Hammer at all. She seems really... i dunno... boring. She doesn't really have anything interesting going for her. The tech that she's selling is just Stark Tech that she stole and/or got on the cheap when HAMMER was gutted. And her whole shtick seems to be that she's gonna move in and try to capitalize on the void left by Stark Enterprises going away, only she's a bit more shady about her business dealings.
But nothing about her really strikes me as that villainous or that interesting. She's basically just a white collar criminal with a bit of aped Stark Tech.
On the topic of Fraction, I dropped Uncanny probably 6 months ago for two reasons: 1) The story wasn't going anywhere, and 2) Greg Land.
I love Iron Man (the character) and I really appreciate Larroca's more realistic art style, but Fraction is killing my interest with his snail pace stories.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
See I was just buying Uncanny issues where Land wasn't the artist (which means I've missed out on Mike Carey Legacy issues the past months which is a shame), but even the pretty Dodson art doesn't make up for the story.
And I like Hammer because she's acting like a smart competitor to Tony, not Iron Man. These business type heroes like Batman and Iron Man and Iron Fist, you need to give them at least one good corporate villain that goes beyond evil government general (which the Superman books totally ruined). Plus she was the Crimson Cowl in T-Bolts so she's nostalgic for me.
Corporate villains are cool, but they need a hook to stand out. Lex's, for instance, is his narcissism and loathing for Superman. If he was just a greedy capitalist, he'd be worthless.
Corporate villains are cool, but they need a hook to stand out. Lex's, for instance, is his narcissism and loathing for Superman. If he was just a greedy capitalist, he'd be worthless.
Yeah, pretty much this. I can appreciate that Justine Hammer is a corporate villain, and I totally agree that in a book such as Iron Man, a good corporate villain is needed, but I don't think Hammer is that person. She's much too bland.
I'm on the verge of dropping Iron Man. I have lost all faith in Matt Fraction's ability to tell a story. Today's Iron Man issue was pretty awful. Basically nothing at all happened. The whole thing was just one giant conversation.
Fraction's work seems to be about 90% fluff these days. Sure, there's a rare gem every now and again, like the time-travel X-Men issue, but those issues seem to be fewer and fewer.
When this arc of Iron Man is released in trade, they could completely omit today's issue and the story would be unaffected.
Urgh, this isn't good to hear. I'm waiting till Friday to get Iron Man and the rest of my comics, but this is basically exactly how I felt about the last issue. They even repeated the exact same multi-page sequence with Detroit Steel from #25, I believe. Might be on the cusp of dropping this myself...
It's too bad, since I just started with #25, but I'm not going to waste money on something I think is boring.
yeah this week was a big lightbulb for me that i get too many comics that im not really enjoying anymore. I told myself i was gonna keep getting cap as long as bucky kept the shield, but its been boring, and im not all that familiar with cap's mythos, so a lot of the villains mean nothing to me. booster has been on the downturn for a while now, and i was hoping giffen would kickstart it again, but this was just a "generation lost" rehash, which is a terrible book too (this weeks 3rd issue will be the last one im picking up). Im glad second coming is back, cuz i missed it last week, but they are definitely treading water.
the whole sending xforce to the future plotline is great/the avengers trying in vain to break the bubble not so much
Iron man has been kind of lame since the heroic age started, but i have faith in fraction based upon iron man up to this point.
my only really great book this week was secret six, which isnt a surprise. Catman is a freaking hardcore badass.
What's wrong with Generation Lost? I've been quite enjoying it, myself.
its all me, im sure. im not very familiar with cap atom, fire, and ice, so i picked up the book originally cuz of booster's presence, as well as its affect on brightest day. i realize its only 3 issues in of 26, but it just seems to be moving really slowly, and i just dont care enough about the characters (or checkmate).
anyone else a little disappointed with batman 700? the art was all pretty great (except maybe tony daniels), but i would have liked it to shed some more light on the current batman status quo. i did like seeing damien donning the cowl in the future (as well as his villains/allies), so maybe morrison is setting something up there?
Damian-Batman also appeared in Batman #666 some time ago. I think it's a character and setting Morrison likes to play with, though the #666 story did introduce a lot of elements that tied directly into R.I.P. and Batman & Robin's first two arcs.
And I thought #700 was basically perfect. I'm glad it didn't blatantly tie into what he's doing on the Batman books otherwise as it performed brilliantly as a sort of love letter to the mythology. Kind of like a micro All-Star Superman, almost.
Damian-Batman also appeared in Batman #666 some time ago. I think it's a character and setting Morrison likes to play with, though the #666 story did introduce a lot of elements that tied directly into R.I.P. and Batman & Robin's first two arcs.
And I thought #700 was basically perfect. I'm glad it didn't blatantly tie into what he's doing on the Batman books otherwise as it performed brilliantly as a sort of love letter to the mythology. Kind of like a micro All-Star Superman, almost.
haha yeah i just read your comments about it in the batman thread. im just not knowledgeable enough about character histories to understand all of the intricacies in something like this issue. ive only been reading comics for two years, and while ive read a lot in that time (and i mean a shit ton), most everything has been from 2000-present. i may be ostracized from the community for saying this, but i cant get into the older stuff cuz i like the high gloss pages and shit, and comic book writing has come a looong way since the 80s and even the 90s. most everything was surface level as far as character beats go, and it made for boring reading (for me). im sure there are exceptions, and im sure there would be stuff that i would like, but i have a crazy addictive personality so im afraid to try and get into comics even more. i shudder to think of all the time ive "wasted" since i got into the expanded star wars cannon. days and days spent on wookiepedia.....
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edited June 2010
Outsiders. Written by didio himself.
New dude, Black juggernaught/colossos ripoff that looks like the rock.
And talks bad comic book black guy jive.
just... yuck...
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
There's nothing wrong with not being able to get into comics from the past, every generation has a different style. The old X-Men stuff from the 60's (barring the short 6 issue Stern/Adams run) is incredibly hard to read through, I find. The same with the older Spider-Man and Avengers issues. Old FF stuff had a quirkyness to it that made it enjoyable, though this is probably a result of Kirby's influence.
I love Busiek's work but he has a very retro feel to his story structure, but has tinkered the dialogue to stay modern a bit. Claremont on the other hand writes with the belief if you liked it in the 80's, you'll like the same style now (not slamming Claremont, it's just the way he writes).
edit: Outsiders is late to the party anyway, War of the Superman was so May. It's like, hello Dan Didio you can stop acting like Andrew Jackson m i rite?
I am hella dropping Iron Man after Detroit steel. The book has been slow and inconsequential ever since I started reading with Stark: Disassembled. I already dropped Fraction's X-Men twice (terrible sisterhood arc, came back with Magneto but nothing happened at all in Nation X). I will give him a try on thor, but that's just because he's had a great mission statement.
Generation Lost is pretty slow, but I've read a ton of the main DC events since '04 in trade form, so I caught the end of the JLI's disintegration, and their sort of rebirth in the DCU, so I do feel somewhat attached to them. New Booster is well written in terms of dialog and character, but it seems like the kind of tie-in that isn't allowed to really cross over with the big event (Generation Lost).
Batman 700 was cool, and it really does sit well on its own, but at the same time I am kind of bummed out that Morrison was the only writer (I love him, but I like my X00 issues to have backups from the classic writers), and the rest was all splash posters.
What happened with Zemo to explain why he was evil again? I haven't read Bru-cap yet, but I am interested after everyone complaining about it here and elsewhere.
I think that Matt Fraction is still there - its just not possible to produce to those standards with the amount of volume he's doing now. I think the vast majority of his stuff is high quality, and I can make excuses for the stuff that doesn't entirely work for me (example - Most Wanted definitely went on too long, but that had to have been by editorial design).
OK guys one bad IIM issue doesn't mean Fraction is now a terrible writer. I stopped reading IIM after issue 24 due to my decision to trade wait for all the 616 books but I enjoyed every issue I read.
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Well guess what, Zemo is bad again just because Brubaker wanted him to be (and Fixer is too, which doesn't sync up with T-Bolts or his recent actions, so it's like a double whammy for T-Bolters). He's even wearing his dinky old Zemo outfit.
What.
The.
Fuck?
It's bad enough that the refrain throughout the book has been that nobody can change the past (except bad people who Booster has to stop, the whole point of the book). But now it's stated that nothing those assholes would have done would affect anyone anyway, except by creating an alternate reality? What the fuck was the point of Booster's adventures exactly? How did Booster manage to fuck up the present in the second arc of the book? What exactly does Booster Gold's editor do all day?
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I hate that I know both comic versions of time travel theory, but there you go.
Seriously, for a book dealing heavily with time travel, someone needs to sit down and lay out the rules for it.
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I will say, outside of that minor quibble, the rest of the issue was better than damn near every issue that came before it. Booster fights a funny villain, the kid he adopted does some adorable stuff, he hangs out with the JLI in the past, and he yells at Cyborg, while simultaneously rebuking the derision that's always pointed at the JLI. As a whole it's not great, because the main plotline's kind of boring and doesn't go anywhere, but all the little pieces of character interaction and dialogue are well done.
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Well when the book was greenlit he wasn't mopey.
So 5 issues.
Fraction's work seems to be about 90% fluff these days. Sure, there's a rare gem every now and again, like the time-travel X-Men issue, but those issues seem to be fewer and fewer.
When this arc of Iron Man is released in trade, they could completely omit today's issue and the story would be unaffected.
Dodson should go draw the FF though, the few pages they were in the book looked amazing.
And Iron Man I'm dropping as well, I thought maybe it would click back to what IIM #1-6 were, but it seems to be more of the decompressed story traits Fraction hasn't let go of since World's Most Wanted. Justine Hammer is still a good antagonist/villain but she's not worth picking up the whole issue for.
But nothing about her really strikes me as that villainous or that interesting. She's basically just a white collar criminal with a bit of aped Stark Tech.
On the topic of Fraction, I dropped Uncanny probably 6 months ago for two reasons: 1) The story wasn't going anywhere, and 2) Greg Land.
I love Iron Man (the character) and I really appreciate Larroca's more realistic art style, but Fraction is killing my interest with his snail pace stories.
And I like Hammer because she's acting like a smart competitor to Tony, not Iron Man. These business type heroes like Batman and Iron Man and Iron Fist, you need to give them at least one good corporate villain that goes beyond evil government general (which the Superman books totally ruined). Plus she was the Crimson Cowl in T-Bolts so she's nostalgic for me.
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Yeah, pretty much this. I can appreciate that Justine Hammer is a corporate villain, and I totally agree that in a book such as Iron Man, a good corporate villain is needed, but I don't think Hammer is that person. She's much too bland.
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Detroit Steel is just a robot suit. That's like saying that a Chinese person suit would make me good at math.
Learned that one the hard way.
Urgh, this isn't good to hear. I'm waiting till Friday to get Iron Man and the rest of my comics, but this is basically exactly how I felt about the last issue. They even repeated the exact same multi-page sequence with Detroit Steel from #25, I believe. Might be on the cusp of dropping this myself...
It's too bad, since I just started with #25, but I'm not going to waste money on something I think is boring.
my only really great book this week was secret six, which isnt a surprise. Catman is a freaking hardcore badass.
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its all me, im sure. im not very familiar with cap atom, fire, and ice, so i picked up the book originally cuz of booster's presence, as well as its affect on brightest day. i realize its only 3 issues in of 26, but it just seems to be moving really slowly, and i just dont care enough about the characters (or checkmate).
anyone else a little disappointed with batman 700? the art was all pretty great (except maybe tony daniels), but i would have liked it to shed some more light on the current batman status quo. i did like seeing damien donning the cowl in the future (as well as his villains/allies), so maybe morrison is setting something up there?
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And I thought #700 was basically perfect. I'm glad it didn't blatantly tie into what he's doing on the Batman books otherwise as it performed brilliantly as a sort of love letter to the mythology. Kind of like a micro All-Star Superman, almost.
haha yeah i just read your comments about it in the batman thread. im just not knowledgeable enough about character histories to understand all of the intricacies in something like this issue. ive only been reading comics for two years, and while ive read a lot in that time (and i mean a shit ton), most everything has been from 2000-present. i may be ostracized from the community for saying this, but i cant get into the older stuff cuz i like the high gloss pages and shit, and comic book writing has come a looong way since the 80s and even the 90s. most everything was surface level as far as character beats go, and it made for boring reading (for me). im sure there are exceptions, and im sure there would be stuff that i would like, but i have a crazy addictive personality so im afraid to try and get into comics even more. i shudder to think of all the time ive "wasted" since i got into the expanded star wars cannon. days and days spent on wookiepedia.....
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wait....
New dude, Black juggernaught/colossos ripoff that looks like the rock.
And talks bad comic book black guy jive.
just... yuck...
I love Busiek's work but he has a very retro feel to his story structure, but has tinkered the dialogue to stay modern a bit. Claremont on the other hand writes with the belief if you liked it in the 80's, you'll like the same style now (not slamming Claremont, it's just the way he writes).
edit: Outsiders is late to the party anyway, War of the Superman was so May. It's like, hello Dan Didio you can stop acting like Andrew Jackson m i rite?
no one will change my opinion of this
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Generation Lost is pretty slow, but I've read a ton of the main DC events since '04 in trade form, so I caught the end of the JLI's disintegration, and their sort of rebirth in the DCU, so I do feel somewhat attached to them. New Booster is well written in terms of dialog and character, but it seems like the kind of tie-in that isn't allowed to really cross over with the big event (Generation Lost).
Batman 700 was cool, and it really does sit well on its own, but at the same time I am kind of bummed out that Morrison was the only writer (I love him, but I like my X00 issues to have backups from the classic writers), and the rest was all splash posters.
What happened with Zemo to explain why he was evil again? I haven't read Bru-cap yet, but I am interested after everyone complaining about it here and elsewhere.
But it seems like his sense of fun has all been sucked out of him
I am basing it on all of his Iron Man and X-Men work since he took over
It's just not the same, man
It's just not the same
There'll be new issues of CASANOVA soon enough, that's Fraction's time to shine.