TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
You're right JKyle, it was Thomas/Adams, Thomas did some issues after Lee left the book and then he came back to help Adams before the book was cancelled (reprints meant cancelled back then). I get the two confused for some reason.
What happened with Zemo to explain why he was evil again? I haven't read Bru-cap yet, but I am interested after everyone complaining about it here and elsewhere.
There is no explanation (yet), which is why it's so lame. It's basically going by solicits and what Brubaker has written in interviews about the subject and and conventions.
In the first two pages of the issue Zemo talks about how it's all black and white again, not grey like when Osborn was in control. That makes sense for someone to give Zemo those lines if they never read Thunderbolts or Zemo: Born Better. It's like Brubaker is saying "yeah, Zemo was kind of an anti-hero, but I want him to be a villain again just because of the current Marvel Zeitgeist."
Nicieza Zemo would basically say "Yeah, I was bad. I'm good now, trust me. If you don't trust me, I will kick your ass and save the world my way because it's the best way." It's flashes of Luthor and Doom mixed together.
And even Fixer, the dude who two weeks ago gave Luke Cage a fistbump in T-Bolts, helps Zemo blow up a motocycle to injure Falcon. It's just, that's not who Ebersol is now.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
No, as a favor to Zemo (I guess, they never explain it).
Which is like total bullshit because Ebersol helped give Zemo the body of his Counter-Earth version back in Nicieza's T-Bolts run so the "favor slate" should be wiped clean. In fact Zemo owes Fixer way more.
It might just be the nature of the X-Men franchise now that it's borderline impossible to produce long-term quality storytelling with those characters (I know, I know - Mike Carey. But they haven't asked Carey to carry the flagship title). I'd much rather have Thor/Iron Man/Fantastic Four as the three Fraction books per month (I like Hickman's run on FF, but I think Fraction would be terrific for those characters - and we already know he can write an awesome Thor from those one-shots last year), with 4-8 issues of Casanova per year as well.
and I would argue that Fraction's Iron Man is a billion times worse than his X-Men
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
The few scenes the FF were in Uncanny this week were really good, and I could see Fraction and Dodson wrecking that book something fierce compared to Uncanny.
Marvel seems to not know what to do with the X-Men right now. They throw everything out there, time travel, extreeeme killing force, vampires, more sentinels, exiled on an island, etc.
If that's their problem, give Nicieza or Carey the flagship book to just pilot for a bit until something meaningful shows up. They can tell good character stories, move some development, and then give the book to JT Krul to ruin or something.
OK guys one bad IIM issue doesn't mean Fraction is now a terrible writer. I stopped reading IIM after issue 24 due to my decision to trade wait for all the 616 books but I enjoyed every issue I read.
It's not one issue, though. It's the majority of issues on IIM and X-Men that have just been bleh with no real progression.
The problem with X-Men (as I see it) is that the freakin' team roster changes every single issue. There's literally no stability at all.
Part of why I love Astonishing so much is because Whedon picked like 10 characters he liked and stuck with them for the entire run. A little bit of consistency would help the book a lot.
Fraction needs to just pick a few people and work on telling some really kick-ass stories with those people and just ignore that everyone else exists. There's like 5 X-books per month anyway. It should not be a hard thing for them to find a permanent home for all these characters.
But the problem is, every damn writer wants Wolverine. So every team ends up being a bunch of B Team members plus CLAWS. And it never stays the same from month to month, well except for the CLAWS of course.
OK guys one bad IIM issue doesn't mean Fraction is now a terrible writer. I stopped reading IIM after issue 24 due to my decision to trade wait for all the 616 books but I enjoyed every issue I read.
It's not one issue, though. It's the majority of issues on IIM and X-Men that have just been bleh with no real progression.
We'll just have to respectfully disagree there especially regarding IIM. His Uncanny run isn't as good but it's still far from bad.
OK guys one bad IIM issue doesn't mean Fraction is now a terrible writer. I stopped reading IIM after issue 24 due to my decision to trade wait for all the 616 books but I enjoyed every issue I read.
It's not one issue, though. It's the majority of issues on IIM and X-Men that have just been bleh with no real progression.
I don't agree with that - some of the Iron Man stuff has been drawn out (and I have to think some of that was by editorial mandate), but there's been progression. As far as the X-Men stuff - I might agree a little bit.
Here's the thing with X-Men now - every writer seems to want to make every issue the Claremont "Lets have a slice of life X-Men playing baseball" issue. But Claremont/Byrne didn't do that with every issue - they had a bunch of stuff happening all the time. That seems to get lost these days.
That was one of my favorite Claremont-isms - that every villain wants to fuck Storm. Loki during the Asgardian Wars? Hey, here's a copy of Thor's hammer, and PS I'd like to bang you. Brood Queen? Dracula? Callisto? Sebastian Shaw? Magneto? Mesmero? They all wanted some Dark Chocolate.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
There was also that time they played Basketball when Colossus killed himself right before Cyclops came back.
And they played football right after Colossus betrayed the team and joined the Acolytes.
....I'm seeing a pattern here, Colossus is a dick.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
Dracula just hates muslims I thought, because he had this great idea for a show on Comedy Central but they pussied out on him because he received death threats.
Dracula's already dead, hello.
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edited June 2010
The problem with X-Men is that they aren't really consistent with the rest of the Marvel universe. So now that you have this constant overlap, you always have this reminder that hey, something isn't right. Not to mention that their own actions are completely inconsistent.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Yeah, they aren't really being all about the Heroic Age right now, and Astonishing X-Men is basically 2 years behind where the X-Men are now.
X-Force isn't Heroic in the slightest, why doesn't Steve Rogers quit yelling at Tony and go yell at Wolverine and Cyclops.
...didn't steve rogers just put the mass murdering mutant assassin back on the main Avengers squad? Shouldn't he have been a little more discerning when choosing people to represent the best and most heroic?
Only peripherally following the Marvel shenanigans since Civil War...is there a reason everyone here is so annoyed that Rogers is yelling at Stark? He basically ballsed up being the leader of the superhero free-world but now gets to keep being an awesome armour wearing billionaire. He's probably due some being yelled at.
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There is no explanation (yet), which is why it's so lame. It's basically going by solicits and what Brubaker has written in interviews about the subject and and conventions.
In the first two pages of the issue Zemo talks about how it's all black and white again, not grey like when Osborn was in control. That makes sense for someone to give Zemo those lines if they never read Thunderbolts or Zemo: Born Better. It's like Brubaker is saying "yeah, Zemo was kind of an anti-hero, but I want him to be a villain again just because of the current Marvel Zeitgeist."
Nicieza Zemo would basically say "Yeah, I was bad. I'm good now, trust me. If you don't trust me, I will kick your ass and save the world my way because it's the best way." It's flashes of Luthor and Doom mixed together.
And even Fixer, the dude who two weeks ago gave Luke Cage a fistbump in T-Bolts, helps Zemo blow up a motocycle to injure Falcon. It's just, that's not who Ebersol is now.
Agreed.
To the max.
I can buy him doing some merc work here and there
Which is like total bullshit because Ebersol helped give Zemo the body of his Counter-Earth version back in Nicieza's T-Bolts run so the "favor slate" should be wiped clean. In fact Zemo owes Fixer way more.
Marvel seems to not know what to do with the X-Men right now. They throw everything out there, time travel, extreeeme killing force, vampires, more sentinels, exiled on an island, etc.
If that's their problem, give Nicieza or Carey the flagship book to just pilot for a bit until something meaningful shows up. They can tell good character stories, move some development, and then give the book to JT Krul to ruin or something.
It's not one issue, though. It's the majority of issues on IIM and X-Men that have just been bleh with no real progression.
Part of why I love Astonishing so much is because Whedon picked like 10 characters he liked and stuck with them for the entire run. A little bit of consistency would help the book a lot.
Fraction needs to just pick a few people and work on telling some really kick-ass stories with those people and just ignore that everyone else exists. There's like 5 X-books per month anyway. It should not be a hard thing for them to find a permanent home for all these characters.
But the problem is, every damn writer wants Wolverine. So every team ends up being a bunch of B Team members plus CLAWS. And it never stays the same from month to month, well except for the CLAWS of course.
We'll just have to respectfully disagree there especially regarding IIM. His Uncanny run isn't as good but it's still far from bad.
I don't agree with that - some of the Iron Man stuff has been drawn out (and I have to think some of that was by editorial mandate), but there's been progression. As far as the X-Men stuff - I might agree a little bit.
Here's the thing with X-Men now - every writer seems to want to make every issue the Claremont "Lets have a slice of life X-Men playing baseball" issue. But Claremont/Byrne didn't do that with every issue - they had a bunch of stuff happening all the time. That seems to get lost these days.
Hint - Claremont has Dracula fall in love with Storm during this story.
Marvel's Dracula is probably one of my top ten favorite comic book villains ever
Man, fuck Jim Lee and fuck Gambit and fuck that X-Men relaunch. Omega Red can eat a dick, too.
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Hey
And they played football right after Colossus betrayed the team and joined the Acolytes.
....I'm seeing a pattern here, Colossus is a dick.
And Volumes 3-Claremont of Uncanny X-Men Essentials.
Because I am progressive
you are actually racist
Or Costume-ist?
just racist lucascraft
or should I call you
lucaskkkraft
Dracula's already dead, hello.
X-Force isn't Heroic in the slightest, why doesn't Steve Rogers quit yelling at Tony and go yell at Wolverine and Cyclops.