ITT: Firearms & the use thereof [Not Policy]
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A few guidelines.
1.) No pictures of artillery, tanks, APCs, or any of that nonsense with an "I want". If you really want to deal with that shit go here . If you want to discuss weapons platforms (Paladin/Crusader, Stryker/Bradley), by all means.
2.) Please don't run in here screaming about how guns are terrible and if we banned all the guns everything would be sunshine and peaches. Ask what a "glasgow kiss" is, and then tell me that solves problems. Corrolary: Don't start up with IF WE BAN GUNS ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS. If you'd like to debate gun laws, I reckon that's fine, as long it dosen't descend into platitudes.
3.) No one liners about "omg 9mm is for ladies get a real caliber" or anything like that. You want to debate the stopping power between a 9mm and a .45, that's fine.
That being said, I'll start us off. I own a Para Ordnace .45 and a Benelli M2 Nova. Personally, I find the .45 a bit more fun shoot than a .9mm or a .38. Seems to have more bang, and generally leave an impressive sized hole in whatever you're shooting at.
I bought my Benelli when I was living in Alaska, for bear. When me and my friend were hiking Denali, we surprised a mother bear w/ cubs. His .45 wasn't enough to back her off, but I fired a "bear stopper" slug near her, and the combination of a tree chunk whizzing by her head with a gout of fire from the barrel disuaded her from charging us.
I find Benelli to be a bit more steady and well made than Mossberg, and you get more for the buck. I think my Nova easily stacks with any high priced Remington, even if it is Italian made.
Personally I'm trying to think if I should invest in a good assualt rifle (civilian model), or go for a rifle with a scope. I always enjoyed firing my M4, especially when deployed (because all the usual bullshit went out the window), but I'd like to work on some long distance shooting as well, and that's sort of a pain in the arse.
1.) No pictures of artillery, tanks, APCs, or any of that nonsense with an "I want". If you really want to deal with that shit go here . If you want to discuss weapons platforms (Paladin/Crusader, Stryker/Bradley), by all means.
2.) Please don't run in here screaming about how guns are terrible and if we banned all the guns everything would be sunshine and peaches. Ask what a "glasgow kiss" is, and then tell me that solves problems. Corrolary: Don't start up with IF WE BAN GUNS ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS. If you'd like to debate gun laws, I reckon that's fine, as long it dosen't descend into platitudes.
3.) No one liners about "omg 9mm is for ladies get a real caliber" or anything like that. You want to debate the stopping power between a 9mm and a .45, that's fine.
That being said, I'll start us off. I own a Para Ordnace .45 and a Benelli M2 Nova. Personally, I find the .45 a bit more fun shoot than a .9mm or a .38. Seems to have more bang, and generally leave an impressive sized hole in whatever you're shooting at.
I bought my Benelli when I was living in Alaska, for bear. When me and my friend were hiking Denali, we surprised a mother bear w/ cubs. His .45 wasn't enough to back her off, but I fired a "bear stopper" slug near her, and the combination of a tree chunk whizzing by her head with a gout of fire from the barrel disuaded her from charging us.
I find Benelli to be a bit more steady and well made than Mossberg, and you get more for the buck. I think my Nova easily stacks with any high priced Remington, even if it is Italian made.
Personally I'm trying to think if I should invest in a good assualt rifle (civilian model), or go for a rifle with a scope. I always enjoyed firing my M4, especially when deployed (because all the usual bullshit went out the window), but I'd like to work on some long distance shooting as well, and that's sort of a pain in the arse.
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Using ye olde Gauss technology, guy fires a steel pin at things. Kinda neat and geeky, but not even remotely practical.
I also plink with with my winchester 9422 xtr, a solid little .22 rifle, and quite a classic in its time.
Ive' got a custom type 38 in 6.5mm, but the reliability leaves much to be desired, so ill' be looking for another long-rifle soon.
Arod, when it comes to ammo, do you tend to use reloads? I'm in DE right now, and I'm having quite a price shock with the price of ammo around here. I used to be able to pick up 50 rounds of .45 ACP for about 8$-10$ in Alaska, but here's its a hair under $20 for a box at the local gunshop. I'm about to go over to Target to see if they have a giant discount on it or not.
Do any varmint shooting with that .22? I enjoyed plinking with my buddy's, and ammo was cheap enough that you could go through a box and not care.
I use reloads for the 6.5, because it is a pretty much dead caliber, but I am looking for something in .308 nowadays, I almost got a reloading press w/ dies, but I decided it wasn't worth it for the immediate cost benefits.
Ammo prices for shotgun don't bother me to much, I just buy the remington target loads of 100 rounds for about 17 bucks a box, and use those for skeet and general fuckmuppetry.
I try to conserve my big game reserves, because it usually ends up at least a buck fifty a round for high quality buckshot
Usually it fulfills my daily requirement of "Holy SHIT!" factor. I should get a smaller caliber pistol for plinking, but I do enjoy blasting away with that .45. My friend Bob had a Kimber with all the bells and whistles, but I'd put my Para up against it anyday. Its a finely made weapon.
I've been looking at H&Ks and G36s lately. What are you opinions on those? Seems there's two camps: You Get What You Pay For and You're Just Buying a Name. Personally, I think history shows the Germans have a pretty good track record when it comes to making guns, but I'm not sure if I really feel like plunking the down payment on a new car for a nice assualt rifle.
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I can tell you from personal experience that using reloads is probably the most cost-efficient long-term option you will have. My grandad and I have been using his reloading kit since I can remember and it's a cash saver when you're talking about large caliber, hard-to-find ammo. He routinely loads about 300 rounds per month for his pistols and about 100 rounds per month for his hunting and/or target shooting rifles. The cash outlay can be daunting at first, but if you plan on shooting over the next 5 years, you'll save money.
edit: As a plus, if you're using a muzzleloader at all, you'll already have most of the equipment for casting slugs as well as the powder, so you might as well invest in a decent reloading kit.
The Garand, I take it? We used those in Afghanistan, and I fell in love with it. Does it still take a 7.62 round in the civilian model?
I had this same discussion with a friend over breakfast. : ) The problem is pretty much that I don't have the space for a reload set up, since I'm living in a loft. Probably the best option would be for me to arrange something with my grandfather, who lives down south aways, and talk to him.
Yeah, setting up shop in anything other than your own house is a dicey proposition when it comes to local law enforcement. Luckily, my grandad spent more time in law enforcement than most cops have spent on the planet. :P
308, outstanding stoping power. The best part is the recoil; it's almost non-existent thanks to the weight of the rifle.
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I own one and I concur. That thing is a beast and it functions even under the worst conditions. So sexy....
I have a lot of respect for the guys who had to slog through the mud with that rifle.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The Kimber is a great, great piece if you are looking at getting a pistol chambered for .45 ACP. My friend has a USP .45, which is also awesome but about twice the price. I like the trigger on the Kimber better - there is absolutely no slack in it at all. I also like the beavertail safety. The down side is that due to the way 1911s are designed, there is no safe way to lower the hammer with a round in the chamber. You have to drop out the magazine, rack the slide to eject the round, and then dry fire it in a safe direction. It's also heavy, but I'm a pretty big guy, so that's okay for me.
I say that the 590 is still a damn nice gun though, especially the "cruiser" defensive models
My bro has a Mossberg. It was between that and the Remington at Big 5. Salesmen kept trying to push the 20" but went with the 18" and not regretting it. Might go to an outdoor club later this month and put some rounds through it.
Anyone have experience with trap and have recommendations on models? Had a lot of fun clay shooting in LV last year.
The most noteworthy is his 7mm Magnum rifle. That thing is more fun than it has a right to be. I need to get my hunting license one of these days.
Also, semi-auto shotguns for hunting gophers ftw.
Norinco makes a 1911 in .45 and 9mm for pretty cheap and the quality is apparently pretty good now. They can't be sold in the US, but that's not a problem for me.
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I've fired one. Feels like a .22 or something. Not sure what it would be good for aside from use in the secret service or something, though.
The rounds are about 50 cents each, and you can dump a 20 round magazine fast. So it's too expensive for just plinking, but it's not a particularly good self-defense round, either.
Why is that?
Doc, if you want it to hunt quail as well you are going to want at least a 23'' barrel in my estimation, arguably a semi-auto would suit you better for wing shooting, but I prefer the pump-action due to reliability issues.
The one I was looking at is the Mossberg 500 with both 28 inch and 18 1/2 inch barrels.
Its heavy, but its slender. My Para is ridiculously fat around the handle. I seemed to have better control with the Para, to be honest, because it was heavier and didn't jump as much. Of course, my grip could have been too slack, but I just prefer the heavier build of it. You're dead on about that trigger though. You pull it and you get a round out of the chamber.
I really do wish they'd trade out the 9mms they issue us in the Army with the 1911s again. Talking about stopping power is well and good in a theoretical situation like home defense. However, when putting two rounds into someone might be what ends with you getting shot, I'd say stopping power becomes more than just an afterthought.
While I don't like the Mossys for my own use, I had one when I was in the turret in case something was too close in/unrealistic for me to use the .50 caliber on. No matter how dusty/grimy/wet that fucker got, it never jammed. I'll say that for it.
I know that there are plenty of measures to make it dificult o buy guns; you can't justwalk intoa store and purchase it, youneed to fill out paperwork etc.
How difficult is it to buy ammo? I alwaysseem to get the impression that, once somebody has a gun, it's really easy to get ammo.
And yeah, I know that there was a Chris Rock joke in a similar vein, but maybe there is a grain of truth to that. How would you gun owners feel if gun restrictions themselves were laxened, but more restrictions were added on the purchasing of ammo?
not only that, but how many bullets do you think it takes to kill a person? Do you mean restricting hollow points or soft point bullets? Those have legitimate hunting purposes
There is also the point that live ammunition, w/o a gun, can still be put to a myriad of [deadly, illegal] uses.
I wouldn't mind really, but it would only move part the problem into an area that's even harder to enforce.
in theory it's also easy enough to manufacture a pipe bomb, but it's also illegal
my thinking is that, an unloaded gun is practically no more dangerous than any other blunt object; it is the ammunition that makes it deadly, so inorder to prevent gun-related accidents and gun-related violent crime, wouldn't it make sense to attempt to regulate ammo in some way.
It might be fixed-choke. I'll check after work.
Apparently the US has an import ban on Chinese firearms. It's too bad because the 1911s start at $325 Canadian for what's supposed to be a pretty decent reproduction.
Anyway, what cartridge does everyone like/use for deer hunting?
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Doc,
I own a mossberg 500. It's a glorious gun. I prefer mossbergs over remington for all around. Shooting wise, both are really awesome guns. But for ease of use in breaking down, cleaning the bore and action. And speed loading. The mossberg 500 is the way to go. Its super reliable, built well, and is not overpriced by any means. Most 500's are chambered for 2 3/4"s and 3"s. I like where the safety is positioned for, shooting safety, as well as "home defense" should the need arise. Easily accessable with your thumb. Most sport mossbergs hold 5-6 2 3/4"(duck plug removed) and 1 in the chamber. The "defense" models come stock to allow 9-10 2 3/4"
I just love this shotgun.
A loaded firearm isn't any more dangerous than any other object. Load one sometime, put it on your table and leave it. It won't go off. I've got a 9mm thats been loaded many a time. Never once has it, or I, killed any animal, human or otherwise. There's not a paper target in the area that'll mess with me though.
Its the human element that can make a firearm lethal. But I don't think regulation of ammunition would have much, if any, effect on either negligent discharges, accidental discharges or deliberate use in violence. In the US, we don't discriminate based on stupidity (well.. we sort of do, but its the social rather than legislative kind) so those that are inclined to violate the rules of firearms safety are still going to pass muster for ammunition control. And requiring background checks before purchasing from a dealer hasn't stemmed the illegal use of firearms. Mainly because firearms used illegally are largely obtained illegally. Under a scenario of ammunition control, I'm willing to bet that illegally obtained or handloaded rounds will still fire just like legal ones.
Of course that should ammunition control ever be proposed, I suspect that part of the proposal would very much not be that the gun control legislation be lifted or mitigated.
Also.. siliconenhanced: I imagine your .45 is quite a bit more fun to shoot than a .9mm.