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There is a manager at my store that will change a shift on me as early as a day in advance without giving me very much notice. This happens pretty often.
I had called the HR for my company (BestBuy) and one of the reps informed me the period was 7 days notice. Which is more than acceptable to me. But that was back in December, and well....it's happening again. Did the law change? Is there even a law, or is this just a BestBuy thing?
I'd call HR again but their lines are closed during the weekends for some god awful reason.
So if anyone can provide me with a source or something that states the law, I'd be very thankful!
There's not really a law about it as far as I know. Usually companies set a policy of around 24 hours notice. I know where I work they're all over the map.
Ah yeah, state would be a huge thing. California is the state. :P
Also, if unable to find a law like me, can someone define what "reasonable time" is in CA. I swear I read somewhere that "Reasonable time" was defined as a 7 day notice.
I believe California is an at will state so the law wouldn't be what you're looking for. The only thing you have is company policy.
Bullcrap. Cali has a metric fuckton of labor laws. OT laws in Cali are bizarre compared to a lot of other states, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they had laws about this kind of situation. A state being 'at will' doesn't mean it is unregulated, it just means you don't sign a contract upon hire.
And has been mentioned, besides the law, company policy would take precedent if it is more strict. Call up HR again, they should have reps knowledgeable on the laws in your state.
I believe California is an at will state so the law wouldn't be what you're looking for. The only thing you have is company policy.
Bullcrap. Cali has a metric fuckton of labor laws. OT laws in Cali are bizarre compared to a lot of other states, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they had laws about this kind of situation. A state being 'at will' doesn't mean it is unregulated, it just means you don't sign a contract upon hire.
And has been mentioned, besides the law, company policy would take precedent if it is more strict. Call up HR again, they should have reps knowledgeable on the laws in your state.
there are some baseline US employment laws that apply for any state.
honestly, if Best Buy's official policy on this is 7 days notice at minimum, sounds like you need to take this up directly with the manager first. point out calmly and nicely to him or her that Best Buy has an official company policy on this.
if he or she ignores you or violates company policy again, go up the chain of authority, ask HR what you might be able to do.
keep in mind: 1) you can make your workplace a living hell for yourself by ticking off your superiors; 2) going to the law isn't always the best first solution.
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edited April 2010
Always try the direct-but-polite approach first. Just tell the manager that you have other obligations and you are unable to meet shift changes where you haven't received notification at least 7 days prior. If it's an emergency you're more than happy to help out when you don't have something else scheduled, but otherwise you can't be expected to just show up without reasonable prior notice.
Hopefully this, coupled with strict enforcement on your end (e.g., he changes shifts on you the day before and you straight up say, "No, I have other commitments, but I can show up to the shift to which I was previously scheduled") will change his behavior. Otherwise, I'd anticipate that you'll probably have to chase this up the ladder. There's even a reasonable probability that he will just dump you at the first opportunity and find someone else willing to put up with his BS. Cases like this are a good example of why you need proper documentation and follow-up on company procedures. Get HR to note that you've asked about this policy repeatedly, try to get witnesses or other confirmation (e.g., email) that you've notified your manager about the policy and that you just need reasonable notification of your shifts, and if the behavior continues then you at least have a paper trail documenting the situation. Worse comes to worst you can sue if he tries to fire you over it. But that's a pretty drastic final conclusion.
If he's doing this to other people on a regular basis, then he's just a shitty manager and needs to do his job better.
I had this come up on me when I worked at Best Buy, SOP does in fact state that you must be given 7 days of notice before a shift is changed, but I've never had any luck enforcing what SOP said against the managers word. You're probably up a creek, thats a big part of why I eventually quit
Always try the direct-but-polite approach first. Just tell the manager that you have other obligations and you are unable to meet shift changes where you haven't received notification at least 7 days prior. If it's an emergency you're more than happy to help out when you don't have something else scheduled, but otherwise you can't be expected to just show up without reasonable prior notice.
If it's too much of a hassle to just deal with it, this is the approach to take.
However, start keeping a copy of all your time worked sheets, all your original schedules, and document everything else you can manage so that when you inveitably are fired for "refusing to cooperate" or "not being a team player" or whatever BS reason this POS manager provides, you can at least collect unemployment.
Also, if at all possible, start looking for other employment now.
just a note: I did work at Best Buy for a stint as well, and so many of the employees are highschoolers with no life and no concept of worker's rights that the front line managers just get into habit of being able to rearrange schedules at random without complaint, so unless you speak up, your manager very well may not even realize what they're doing to you.
This reminds me of a funny story. When I was working tech support at a call center, they changed my shift while I was still in the building. They call my house and leave a message saying that my shift had changed and that it begins in like an hour or so.
A couple hours go by, and they call my house again asking where the hell am I cause my shift started. Nobody bothered to look at what my prior shift was, if they had looked, they would have seen that I was there the whole time. They didn't notice I was there until I clocked out for the day.
My new shift they assigned overlapped the shift I was already working by 3 hours.
I quit that place after two months of their goosery.
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edited April 2010
Find a new job. If you make life difficult for your manager, he'll just schedule you for less hours.
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It also may depend on state.
Also, if unable to find a law like me, can someone define what "reasonable time" is in CA. I swear I read somewhere that "Reasonable time" was defined as a 7 day notice.
Alternatively, talk to your manager and see if you two can work something out.
Bullcrap. Cali has a metric fuckton of labor laws. OT laws in Cali are bizarre compared to a lot of other states, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they had laws about this kind of situation. A state being 'at will' doesn't mean it is unregulated, it just means you don't sign a contract upon hire.
And has been mentioned, besides the law, company policy would take precedent if it is more strict. Call up HR again, they should have reps knowledgeable on the laws in your state.
there are some baseline US employment laws that apply for any state.
honestly, if Best Buy's official policy on this is 7 days notice at minimum, sounds like you need to take this up directly with the manager first. point out calmly and nicely to him or her that Best Buy has an official company policy on this.
if he or she ignores you or violates company policy again, go up the chain of authority, ask HR what you might be able to do.
keep in mind: 1) you can make your workplace a living hell for yourself by ticking off your superiors; 2) going to the law isn't always the best first solution.
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Hopefully this, coupled with strict enforcement on your end (e.g., he changes shifts on you the day before and you straight up say, "No, I have other commitments, but I can show up to the shift to which I was previously scheduled") will change his behavior. Otherwise, I'd anticipate that you'll probably have to chase this up the ladder. There's even a reasonable probability that he will just dump you at the first opportunity and find someone else willing to put up with his BS. Cases like this are a good example of why you need proper documentation and follow-up on company procedures. Get HR to note that you've asked about this policy repeatedly, try to get witnesses or other confirmation (e.g., email) that you've notified your manager about the policy and that you just need reasonable notification of your shifts, and if the behavior continues then you at least have a paper trail documenting the situation. Worse comes to worst you can sue if he tries to fire you over it. But that's a pretty drastic final conclusion.
If he's doing this to other people on a regular basis, then he's just a shitty manager and needs to do his job better.
If it's too much of a hassle to just deal with it, this is the approach to take.
However, start keeping a copy of all your time worked sheets, all your original schedules, and document everything else you can manage so that when you inveitably are fired for "refusing to cooperate" or "not being a team player" or whatever BS reason this POS manager provides, you can at least collect unemployment.
Also, if at all possible, start looking for other employment now.
just a note: I did work at Best Buy for a stint as well, and so many of the employees are highschoolers with no life and no concept of worker's rights that the front line managers just get into habit of being able to rearrange schedules at random without complaint, so unless you speak up, your manager very well may not even realize what they're doing to you.
A couple hours go by, and they call my house again asking where the hell am I cause my shift started. Nobody bothered to look at what my prior shift was, if they had looked, they would have seen that I was there the whole time. They didn't notice I was there until I clocked out for the day.
My new shift they assigned overlapped the shift I was already working by 3 hours.
I quit that place after two months of their goosery.