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Gears of War 3: Slow thread is slow (and dead)

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  • Dox the PIDox the PI Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I wish Kotaku would crawl into a hole and die somewhere.

    I seriously hate it more then any other gaming site

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    this is a goddamn dark universe right here

    why can't they explore more of that in the games

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    "What if a woman just didn't want to make babies, and wanted to serve humanity in another way? Can the developers really not imagine a scenario where a woman wouldn't want to to choose this path? According to this premise, the only reason why a woman would want to fight off an endless Locust Horde destroying her planet would be if she had absolutely no other way to spend her time."

    oh, kotaku

    Considering the comic literally has rape-farms, I'm pretty sure it's intentional misogyny on the part of the leaders of the COG in the story.

    pretty sure in times of incredibly desperate straits, any woman capable of having a period is going to get inseminated faster than you can say "nine months later"

    and, of course, any man capable of pulling a trigger is going to be given his steroid supplement and his chainsaw gun and told to shoot in that direction

    i'm not sure it's misogyny any more than it's misanthropy

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    this is a goddamn dark universe right here

    why can't they explore more of that in the games

    because [strike]it's practically warhammer 40k[/strike] we need more time for cole raps

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    you know what might have helped

    not killing your own planet leaving behind a million ash people to run through

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    this is a goddamn dark universe right here

    why can't they explore more of that in the games

    It's far easier to put "rape farms" and othersuch horrors in graphic novels than it is to put it in a videogame.

    ESRB would have them for lunch to even suggest something like that exists.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Nuzak wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    "What if a woman just didn't want to make babies, and wanted to serve humanity in another way? Can the developers really not imagine a scenario where a woman wouldn't want to to choose this path? According to this premise, the only reason why a woman would want to fight off an endless Locust Horde destroying her planet would be if she had absolutely no other way to spend her time."

    oh, kotaku

    Considering the comic literally has rape-farms, I'm pretty sure it's intentional misogyny on the part of the leaders of the COG in the story.

    pretty sure in times of incredibly desperate straits, any woman capable of having a period is going to get inseminated faster than you can say "nine months later"

    and, of course, any man capable of pulling a trigger is going to be given his steroid supplement and his chainsaw gun and told to shoot in that direction

    i'm not sure it's misogyny any more than it's misanthropy
    Except men can't get pregneant, so they can't make the choice due to simple biology. Women can both get pregnant AND fight; but they don'' get a choice between the two. Therein lies the misogyny.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    they could be subtle about it

    wait, did i just say Gears of War should try to be subtle

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    you know what might have helped

    not killing your own planet leaving behind a million ash people to run through

    Those people were going to die anyway; the COG decided to deny the Locust use of any weapons, technology or other resources they could have obtained by taking those cities.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    you know what might have helped

    not killing your own planet leaving behind a million ash people to run through

    Those people were going to die anyway; the COG decided to deny the Locust use of any weapons, technology or other resources they could have obtained by taking those cities.

    that doesn't make a city of screaming ashes any less creepy

    which it will probably not be as creepy in the game

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    you know what might have helped

    not killing your own planet leaving behind a million ash people to run through

    Those people were going to die anyway; the COG decided to deny the Locust use of any weapons, technology or other resources they could have obtained by taking those cities.

    that doesn't make a city of screaming ashes any less creepy

    which it will probably not be as creepy in the game

    Five bucks says there'll be an achievement for smashing a certain number of ash people. (Or at least ensuring they don't get smashed.)

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  • DeMoNDeMoN twitch.tv/toxic_cizzle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I want to use ash people as cover

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    the ash people should have the overblown musculature of the gears

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  • Dox the PIDox the PI Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I want a Jungle level
    A jungle that is on FIRE

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    the ash people should have the overblown musculature of the gears

    Civilians don't have the crazy musculature.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    the ash people should have the overblown musculature of the gears

    Civilians don't have the crazy musculature.

    that is their problem

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  • Ad astraAd astra Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I fully realize this is a stupid post, and that I should not be nitpicking a game that features roided-out men with guns that have Chainsaw bayonets, and dinosaur creatures that have guns strapped to their arms, and that if I was going to nit pick I could probably choose something better, but.........

    Marcus, why is your armor now suddenly sleeveless? And, Anya, why is your armor fucking sleeveless too?!

    It makes no sense to me! If I was in their place I'd want as much armor between the Locust and my fleshy bits as possible.

    Cole however I can understand why his is sleeveless.... he's a fucking lunatic.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's apparently Summer when Gears 3 takes place. Plus they don't have access to the level of maintenance they did before, as the COG has disbanded.

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  • fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Plus, sleeves are so last season...

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Nuzak wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    "What if a woman just didn't want to make babies, and wanted to serve humanity in another way? Can the developers really not imagine a scenario where a woman wouldn't want to to choose this path? According to this premise, the only reason why a woman would want to fight off an endless Locust Horde destroying her planet would be if she had absolutely no other way to spend her time."

    oh, kotaku

    Considering the comic literally has rape-farms, I'm pretty sure it's intentional misogyny on the part of the leaders of the COG in the story.

    pretty sure in times of incredibly desperate straits, any woman capable of having a period is going to get inseminated faster than you can say "nine months later"

    and, of course, any man capable of pulling a trigger is going to be given his steroid supplement and his chainsaw gun and told to shoot in that direction

    i'm not sure it's misogyny any more than it's misanthropy
    Except men can't get pregneant, so they can't make the choice due to simple biology. Women can both get pregnant AND fight; but they don'' get a choice between the two. Therein lies the misogyny.

    you can't waste the biological ability to make a whole bunch more soldiers by sending women out to get shot, that's stupid. you're a horrible commander, you've doomed the race to extinction by letting people choose what they want

    and the men don't get a choice either, it's shoot or get shot, no conscientious objectors

    and in the gears comics, there are sterile females who are gears as well, so, nyeeh

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Nuzak wrote: »
    Nuzak wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    "What if a woman just didn't want to make babies, and wanted to serve humanity in another way? Can the developers really not imagine a scenario where a woman wouldn't want to to choose this path? According to this premise, the only reason why a woman would want to fight off an endless Locust Horde destroying her planet would be if she had absolutely no other way to spend her time."

    oh, kotaku

    Considering the comic literally has rape-farms, I'm pretty sure it's intentional misogyny on the part of the leaders of the COG in the story.

    pretty sure in times of incredibly desperate straits, any woman capable of having a period is going to get inseminated faster than you can say "nine months later"

    and, of course, any man capable of pulling a trigger is going to be given his steroid supplement and his chainsaw gun and told to shoot in that direction

    i'm not sure it's misogyny any more than it's misanthropy
    Except men can't get pregneant, so they can't make the choice due to simple biology. Women can both get pregnant AND fight; but they don'' get a choice between the two. Therein lies the misogyny.

    you can't waste the biological ability to make a whole bunch more soldiers by sending women out to get shot, that's stupid. you're a horrible commander, you've doomed the race to extinction by letting people choose what they want.

    Except these kids aren't going to be soldiers for awhile, if ever. In the chance that even the first batch lives to adulthood, they're going to suck up resources to feed them and their mother for those 16-18 years while they provide no tangible benefit. On the other hand, you can give the woman training and stick a gun in their hands and wala, you have a soldier in 1-2 years, rather than 16-18.

    I mean, if a Woman remains perpetually pregnant, and they don't draft the kid until he's 16, that means for every breeder women, there's going to be over TWENTY kids produced by her before even the first one is able to be a soldier. Better hope the war doesn't end in 15 years (like it did) because otherwise not only will the entire program have been for naught, but with half your population popping out kids, the pop is going to wind up at like 90% underage people. (That's not even a exaggeration. And the number goes up even higher it we don't assume all the men survive)
    and the men don't get a choice either, it's shoot or get shot, no conscientious objectors

    Men don't get a choice due to biology. It's factually impossible for them to perform the other role. Women don't get a choice because a man says they don't. Everyone has to do their part yes; but women can perform multiple roles and are forced to perform a particular one.
    and in the gears comics, there are sterile females who are gears as well, so, nyeeh
    How is that relevant?

    I'm talking about the women in the breeding farms; not the sterile ones who are already Gears. If anything, that just proves that women can be effective soldiers, and those who would choose to fight, instead of being impregnated against their will, should be given the option.

    EDIT: And just to clarify, I'm not saying every women should be a soldier. In fact, I'm betting when given the choice, staying knocked up in the comfort of a well protected city will be preferable to getting shot at in a battlefield to most women. But those choose to be soldiers should be given the options, IMO. Especially since raping your own damn people is never a good thing. (EDIT: Though it's not like raping other people is OK either.)

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'll buy this day one on one condition: more Triple T/Cole Train.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    chasm wrote: »
    I'll buy this day one on one condition: more Triple T/Cole Train.

    There'd be blood in the streets at Epic HQ if they didn't have Cole Train in there.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    the kids aren't just meant to be soldiers, humanity needs to rebuild after the war is over and quite a few people have died

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The women are forced to perform that particular role because they are the only ones who can fill it. If they didn't, the race would die out. It's not just a matter of making soldiers, it's a matter of continuing the species in a world where the death rate far exceeds the birth rate.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Figgy wrote: »
    The women are forced to perform that particular role because they are the only ones who can fill it. If they didn't, the race would die out. It's not just a matter of making soldiers, it's a matter of continuing the species in a world where the death rate far exceeds the birth rate.

    I just outlined why the math shows the idea is unfeasible if you do it for every women in existence.

    Seriously, if there were 50,000 women, 50,000 men at the start of the breeding program, and 90% of the women alive can have children, there'd be like 900,000 kids by 16 years, still that 50,000 women and probably like 25,000 men.

    Where is the food going to come from to feed a x10 population growth during the war? It's not like they can just whip up farms at a whim. The Locust specifically go for their food supplies, which means with the current population, food is ALREADY rationed out tightly.

    It is unfeasible and unrealistic to have every fertile woman alive producing kids. Especially when many of them would be more willing to take up arms and fight in a battle IN WHICH THE HUMANS WERE LOSING! I mean, they could each make 100 kids, but if the humans lose the fight, it won't matter and there'd just be 100 x whatever kids to die horrific deaths.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You're assuming that the male to female ratio is relitively even. I haven't read the novels, but I imagine females are scarce compared to males, so a womb is a womb.

    You're also assuming that a pregnancy results in a child birth and a child that grows up. I would imagine children die all the time in a war torn world where mortars drop from the sky and ugly fuckers come up out of the ground into your living room while you're watching Family Feud.

    Lastly, (once again I have not read the novels) but how long has the war been going on? Not that long, right? The human race is quickly becoming extinct, and people aren't thinking in the "long term" here with population graphs.

    Edit: And lastly for reals, the usefulness of beefed up male soldiers is realistically far higher than female ones. I know we're supposed to be politically correct and say the sexes are equal, but physically they aren't. These gears carry heavy fucking armour and heavy fucking weapons into the field, and women who could take that kind of physical strain and still be able to keep up with the rest of the squad would be few and far between. I know you may be thinking that "any gun is a gun" but not when that gun is comprimising a squad. Let's say a male gear goes down, could a realistically physiqued* female gear drag him off to safety in a hurry?

    *Realistically physiqued in the Gears universe, of course, but that would still be much smaller than a male.

    Anya is being added to Gears3 because fans want a female gear. That is the only reason, in my opinion.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Figgy wrote: »
    You're assuming that the male to female ratio is relitively even. I haven't read the novels, but I imagine females are scarce compared to males, so a womb is a womb.

    Why would they be scarce? Put into breeding programs rather than sent off to die on the battlefields; I'd be surprised if they didn't outnumber men, actually.
    You're also assuming that a pregnancy results in a child birth and a child that grows up. I would imagine children die all the time in a war torn world where mortars drop from the sky and ugly fuckers come up out of the ground into your living room while you're watching Family Feud.
    True, but like I said, if a women is on baby duty 24/7 for the entire war (which lasted 15 years), the amount of kids produced versus the standing population would be mathematically impossible to NOT eat through their already limited resources.
    Lastly, (once again I have not read the novels) but how long has the war been going on? Not that long, right? The human race is quickly becoming extinct, and people aren't thinking in the "long term" here with population graphs.
    Again, putting every women in existence into a breeding program won't suddenly make them not extinct. It won't even help.

    They can save that shit for AFTER they win the war. If they're close to extinction, having a bunch of kids isn't going to prevent that: it's just more canon fodder.

    EDIT: Per your edit: If men can range from skinny guys like Prescott and the stranded we see, and a bulked up Gear, there's no reason to assume the women can't. I mean, it's already unrealistic in how the Gears bodies are shaped, no reason to assume the authors can't sprinkle that magic onto the women as well. Especially since barren women are already made into Gears. (Bernie Mataki in the books, and Alex Brand in the comics; plus Anya) and seem to keep up just fine. Seriously, if a women can't have kids, and she's not too old to fight, she gets drafted.

    EDIT2: Hell, Anya's mother was a Major and a field soldier. 'course that was during the Pendulum Wars.

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    First off, you guys might need to step back and consider how silly this discussion is.

    Secondly, men play an important role in repopulation also. Sperm has to come from somewhere, in theory there would be an analogous sperm-bank farm full of men (logically, all disabled/injured men unable to fight).

    And if there's the technology to have rape-farms, you can also have regular farms that don't require a whole lot of human labor. And children can start working as early as 8 years old, or even younger.

    And women aren't immediately incapacitated as soon as they get pregnant, they can do work for a few months. So by using a rotation, you can still have a hefty workforce.

    Also: this discussion is horrific. But it does make the Gears Universe very intriguing and makes me want to learn more.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    tehmarken wrote: »
    First off, you guys might need to step back and consider how silly this discussion is.

    We're discussing the plot of a video game. The silliness barrier was crossed awhile ago. Though I guess the Pro/Anti-Rape Farm discussion is a level beyond that.
    Secondly, men play an important role in repopulation also. Sperm has to come from somewhere, in theory there would be an analogous sperm-bank farm full of men (logically, all disabled/injured men unable to fight).

    Apparently they only use the toughest, burliest Gears for that part; as their genes are more likely to produce ideal soldiers.
    And if there's the technology to have rape-farms, you can also have regular farms that don't require a whole lot of human labor. And children can start working as early as 8 years old, or even younger.

    And women aren't immediately incapacitated as soon as they get pregnant, they can do work for a few months. So by using a rotation, you can still have a hefty workforce.
    Problem with regular farms is that they require soil, and soil means emergence holes. The COG have a hell of a time keeping farms protected. I'll need to re-read the first book for specifics though.
    Also: this discussion is horrific. But it does make the Gears Universe very intriguing and makes me want to learn more.

    There's only two books and a comic series out now. The comic only has one trade paperback so far as well. (Which doesn't have the arc dealing with the rape farms in it.)

    Aspho Fields
    Is mostly a flashback book, interspersed with some minor events going on a week after Gears of War 1. The flashback bits show some of Marcus and Dom's childhood, early military careers, and the pivotal Battle of Aspho Fields.

    Hollow (Gears of War Book One)
    The first trade paperback (Actually a hardcover) of the comic series, which collects the entire "Hollow" arc of issues 1-6. Takes place two months after Gears of War 1 and mostly follows Delta Squad and a new recruit named Jace Stratton (Who has a vocal cameo in Gears2) as they go to investigate seismic activity in the city of Montevado.

    Jacinto's Remnant
    This book takes place immediately after Gears of War 2, and mainly deals with the COG trying to establish a new settlement now that Jacinto is gone. In the meantime, they also have to deal with scattered Locust forces, Stranded, and the realities of having almost nothing and still needing to deal with things like a harsh winter and a very unhappy populace. There also some flashbacks dealing with the mass Hammer of Dawn strike that took place a year after emergence day.

    There's also another book coming out in August (plus more after that; novel #3, Anvil Gate, and novel #4 both take place before Gears 3 apparently; and there's a book 5 confirmed.) The comic has issue 12 due out soon, which hopefully means they'll be ready for another collection, as I think issue 12 finished out the "Barren" arc which is where most of the rape farm stuff comes from.

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The actual logistic analysis the breeding program and repopulation is what I was referring to as the silly discussion, heh.

    You would think that a mass breeding program is set for repopulation mode; they assume they will win and afterwards will have to repopulate a lot of areas with young, healthy people.

    On the other hand, using every available person as a soldier can be seen as a way to better ensure that victory.

    It might be a logistical problem, like they only have X weapons so they are limited to X soldiers. And since a female life is more important than a male life for the continuation of the species, it would make sense to use as few women as possible for soldiers.

    Probably also just another plot device to make the universe more grimdark.

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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    rape farms?
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  • WishpigWishpig Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Rape Farms... WWII all over again. Goddamn nazis :(

    That said, anyone else notice how Dom seems a bit suicidal in the trailer? When he falls over and the locus aims it's gun at him he's just kinda like "allright, do it." Then Mr. Wolverine wanna-be comes along and saves him... and when he does Dom actually seems disappointed he's been saved.

    Well, I guess who can blame him. I dunno if I would want to be alive in that hellish situation.

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  • mastriusmastrius Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Wishpig wrote: »
    Rape Farms... WWII all over again. Goddamn nazis :(

    That said, anyone else notice how Dom seems a bit suicidal in the trailer? When he falls over and the locus aims it's gun at him he's just kinda like "allright, do it." Then Mr. Wolverine wanna-be comes along and saves him... and when he does Dom actually seems disappointed he's been saved.

    Well, I guess who can blame him. I dunno if I would want to be alive in that hellish situation.

    Yeah you can tell by his awesome beard and just how he looks that hes given up all hope of living.

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    which is kinda weird,
    since after [strike]mario[/strike] maria died he was a bit annoyed and then he was back to "eat shit and die" dom

    i guess it took time to hit him

    or to grow an appropriately mournful beard

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    He was crushed when
    Maria died, but he had to get back into "kick ass mode" in order to not die at the time. Once the adrenaline wore off, then came the beard and the mourning.

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    i can understand that from a story point of view, but the writing and acting let it down

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Sure, but I give a bit more leeway in my vidja game acting/writing than I would the novels or movies I enjoy.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You can't meet a bar set by a giant worm. Known fact.

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