Things that Joss Whedon sucks in the movies.

Captain Cthulhu

So this guy:



Is directing The Avengers movie.

If you think this is a good thing, I'm going to need you to back it up with some evidence.

Kuribo's Shoe

I'm fine with that.

Dichotomy

I don't like the sounds of this at all

Captain Cthulhu

I just can't shake the feeling that the Avengers movie is now going the way of the X-men Origins movie and it's just going to be another franchise thrown under the bus in an attempt to squeeze more blood from the superhero turnip.

Hobnail

I would posit that there could be worse things.

exist

Captain Cthulhu wrote: »

I just can't shake the feeling that the Avengers movie is now going the way of the X-men Origins movie and it's just going to be another franchise thrown under the bus in an attempt to squeeze more blood from the superhero turnip.

why

x-men origins and this movie are by completely different people

and whedon has done some fine stuff (firefly, dr. horrible, serenity, astonishing x-men)

this is kind of a dumb thread

satansfingers

Captain Cthulhu wrote: »

I just can't shake the feeling that the Avengers movie is now going the way of the X-men Origins movie and it's just going to be another franchise thrown under the bus in an attempt to squeeze more blood from the superhero turnip.

but x-men origins tried to inorganically cram mutants into the story, and this is about a superhero team that is supposed to be a superhero team

so pretty different

and also he's only directed one movie?

Frank Brak

the one thing I have to say about Joss Whedon is that he looks like an overgrown toddler

I think his work reflects this

thanimations

the only movies I know about Whedon is that Firefly movie I didn't see, and Toy Story

so why are we freaking out?

Hobnail

Frank Brak wrote: »

the one thing I have to say about Joss Whedon is that he looks like an overgrown toddler

I think his work reflects this

That dosn't even make sense.

Fishman

Whedon's strength seems to be snappy dialogue and developing interpersonal relations in an ensemble cast environment.

So I fail to see any conflict with him directing a comic super-team movie.

bongi

i submit

neville

Fishman wrote: »

Whedon's strength seems to be snappy dialogue and developing interpersonal relations in an ensemble cast environment.

So I fail to see any conflict with him directing a comic super-team movie.

100% this.

Borommakot

I know his Astonishing X-Men run back in the day was fairly good, a good balance of explosions with character development with a team of characters.

Hobnail

bongi wrote: »

i submit

Holy sweet son of a bitch he did that? He did that to all of us?

Fuck this Whedon guy.

satansfingers

he's also never directed someone else's writing

i mean there's a good chance it'll be terrible, but i think that'll be more zak penn's doing

bongi

Hobnail wrote: »

bongi wrote: »

i submit

Holy sweet son of a bitch he did that? He did that to all of us?

Fuck this Whedon guy.

well, he wrote it

it was actually directed by this guy



which is really even more astonishing that is was so bad

Frank Brak

Hobnail wrote: »

Frank Brak wrote: »

the one thing I have to say about Joss Whedon is that he looks like an overgrown toddler

I think his work reflects this

That dosn't even make sense.

I once heard him describe his creative process by saying the phrase, "it ends in a sword fight because there HAS TO BE a sword fight" as if he was 5 and playing with action figures


I don't think his work is bad or anything, just saying Whedon's an overgrown toddler

Borommakot

I think he wrote the intial draft and then they made serious changes to it.

Captain Cthulhu

exist wrote: »

Captain Cthulhu wrote: »

I just can't shake the feeling that the Avengers movie is now going the way of the X-men Origins movie and it's just going to be another franchise thrown under the bus in an attempt to squeeze more blood from the superhero turnip.

why

x-men origins and this movie are by completely different people

and whedon has done some fine stuff (firefly, dr. horrible, serenity, astonishing x-men)

this is kind of a dumb thread

The only feature film he's ever directed was Serenity, which was okay, but only if you liked/had seen Firefly, it really didn't stand on its own and it flopped, financially speaking.

His directing has never been anything more than mediocre and he has no experience directing anything that he himself hasn't written. On top of all that, while his concepts are cool, and his over-arching stories are usually pretty enticing, his dialog writing is always trying way too hard to be "nerdy" or whatever and it honestly hard to listen to a lot of the time.

So why is it squeezing blood from a turnip? Why would you get Joss Whedon, someone with absolutely no credentials as a director, to direct something of this scope, when you have proven directors already on your team like Jon Favreau and Louis Leterrier? Hell for enough money, I bet Sam Raimi would have done it. But none of them have the same kind of geek cred that Whedon does, and they know that no matter how shitty the movie is, his multitudes of fanboys will be there, opening day, tossing out fliff like sultans. Sure I'm being cynical about this, but there is absolutely no evidence that he will do a good job with this, but yet, you have people saying that because he's on board "God exists." It's pretty retarded.

tl;dr: I'm nerd-ragin' over here.

Furu

Borommakot wrote: »

I think he wrote the intial draft and then they made serious changes to it.

This is the case with every movie script Whedon wrote except for Serenity's

Framling

I was more upset when I found out Joss Whedon was doing an Avengers MOVIE, and not an Avengers COMIC.

Furu

There was no evidence Favreau was going to do a good job with Iron Man unless you made some kind of magical fucking leap from Elf to "Hey this guy could do a superhero movie"

Jordyn

I saw Serenity without having ever heard of Firefly and I enjoyed it.

Darric

Kuribo's Shoe

Framling wrote: »

I was more upset when I found out Joss Whedon was doing an Avengers MOVIE, and not an Avengers COMIC.

yes. he's so much better at writing comics

him and kevin smith need to quit their lucrative jobs as shitty directors and just write comics

Framling

Captain Cthulhu wrote: »

exist wrote: »

Captain Cthulhu wrote: »

I just can't shake the feeling that the Avengers movie is now going the way of the X-men Origins movie and it's just going to be another franchise thrown under the bus in an attempt to squeeze more blood from the superhero turnip.

why

x-men origins and this movie are by completely different people

and whedon has done some fine stuff (firefly, dr. horrible, serenity, astonishing x-men)

this is kind of a dumb thread

The only feature film he's ever directed was Serenity, which was okay, but only if you liked/had seen Firefly, it really didn't stand on its own and it flopped, financially speaking.

His directing has never been anything more than mediocre and he has no experience directing anything that he himself hasn't written. On top of all that, while his concepts are cool, and his over-arching stories are usually pretty enticing, his dialog writing is always trying way too hard to be "nerdy" or whatever and it honestly hard to listen to a lot of the time.

So why is it squeezing blood from a turnip? Why would you get Joss Whedon, someone with absolutely no credentials as a director, to direct something of this scope, when you have proven directors already on your team like Jon Favreau and Louis Leterrier? Hell for enough money, I bet Sam Raimi would have done it. But none of them have the same kind of geek cred that Whedon does, and they know that no matter how shitty the movie is, his multitudes of fanboys will be there, opening day, tossing out fliff like sultans. Sure I'm being cynical about this, but there is absolutely no evidence that he will do a good job with this, but yet, you have people saying that because he's on board "God exists." It's pretty retarded.

tl;dr: I'm nerd-ragin' over here.

I don't know, I'd never seen Firefly, and Serenity got me to buy the DVDs and watch the hell out of them.

Considering the #1 thing the industry needs that isn't happening is for movie interest to translate into source material interest, maybe he's exactly the man for the job.

Jordyn

Also, they hardly need to have Joss Whedon direct it to have hoards of nerds flock to an Avengers movie.

bongi

Joss Whedon's writing has always struck me as very American

Barcardi

I know far too many girls that own every single buffy the vampire slayer box set.

Grey Ghost

He's not writing it anyway

scrivenerjones

joss whedon: literally the worst

BugBoy

I've been listening to Dr. Horrible far too much recently.

It's so good!

TLH

bongi wrote: »

well, he wrote it

it was actually directed by this guy



which is really even more astonishing that is was so bad

That surprises me more even, cause Micmacs looks pretty damn interesting.

As for Whedon. The worst part of this is imagining all this guys fans then claiming Avengers for themselves. Cause he has a weird group of followers that annoy me more then his overall shitbox run of films. Toy Story excluded.

satansfingers

people all over the internet are mad about this but they also all seem to think he's writing it

which he's not

Captain Cthulhu

Furu wrote: »

There was no evidence Favreau was going to do a good job with Iron Man unless you made some kind of magical fucking leap from Elf to "Hey this guy could do a superhero movie"

This is a good point, but with something like Elf, it's always clear that a director is just trying to get his foot in the door by directing whatever a studio will give him. I still considered him a no name director when news of Ironman rolled around.

Grey Ghost

TLH wrote: »

bongi wrote: »

well, he wrote it

it was actually directed by this guy

That surprises me more even, cause Micmacs looks pretty damn interesting.

As for Whedon. The worst part of this is imagining all this guys fans then claiming Avengers for themselves. Cause he has a weird group of followers that annoy me more then his overall shitbox run of films. Toy Story excluded.

What the hell difference does it make who "claims" the Avengers?

Do you like it? Do you not like it? These are the only important things

Kuribo's Shoe

there are worse directors for this

like Brett Ratner

Meissnerd

this guy has a stupid name

Antimatter

The Avengers: A Michael Bay Film

Grey Ghost

Uwe Boll