How did Bannor suddenly gain control of himself while Hulked out?
Last I saw, he was tearing ass through the sky-ship in an uncontrollable rage. Then he gets thrown to earth and comes back a team-player. Takin' orders from the Cap' and everything.
Did I miss something or was that just not explained?
I think it may have been in this very thread, actually, but basically it happened when he learned to accept it, which was around when that janitor found him naked in the crater. The old guy had seen the Hulk, had seen Banner's deep dark secret, and had accepted it. That, along with Tony's encouragement, was a turning point so that the Hulk would cooperate.
It was stated fairly eloquently before but it boils down to this:
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
It was stated fairly eloquently before but it boils down to this:
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
It was stated fairly eloquently before but it boils down to this:
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
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Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Because he still had friends. And for downtime. Even Captain America needs to do something mundane from time to time.
Seriously, Stever Rogers swings by a sex shop to buy some porn (because he's old fashioned). All of a sudden everyone is like "WHAT KIND OF PORN ARE YOU BUYING CAPTAIN AMERICA?!?!?!?!"
It would be a bummer.
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Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Because he still had friends. And for downtime. Even Captain America needs to do something mundane from time to time.
Seriously, Stever Rogers swings by a sex shop to buy some porn (because he's old fashioned). All of a sudden everyone is like "WHAT KIND OF PORN ARE YOU BUYING CAPTAIN AMERICA?!?!?!?!"
It would be a bummer.
It hits the news, Tony Stark shakes his head, shows Steve the internet.
Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Cap's had secret identities before in the comics. Without one he'd have to be in protective custody or live on the Helicarrier with all the enemies he makes. It's difficult having a mundane life with Hydra or A.I.M destroying his house with a satellite based laser every other week or spies poisoning his food.
Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Cap's had secret identities before in the comics. Without one he'd have to be in protective custody or live on the Helicarrier with all the enemies he makes. It's difficult having a mundane life with Hydra or A.I.M destroying his house with a satellite based laser every other week or spies poisoning his food.
I don't think that Cap needs a secret identity for the same reason the POTUS doesn't need a secret identity.
It was stated fairly eloquently before but it boils down to this:
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
That and in the comics it's sort of how it always goes. When he's angered he's the Hulk reacting to something but when he chooses to change instead Hulk generally helps out the good side. Though even then it's not a guarantee if someone's able to distract or trick him.
Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Cap's had secret identities before in the comics. Without one he'd have to be in protective custody or live on the Helicarrier with all the enemies he makes. It's difficult having a mundane life with Hydra or A.I.M destroying his house with a satellite based laser every other week or spies poisoning his food.
I don't think that Cap needs a secret identity for the same reason the POTUS doesn't need a secret identity.
The POTUS is a very public figure under constant protection and surveillance whose location is almost always known. I can see why that wouldn't appeal to someone who just as often works on covert missions.
Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Cap's had secret identities before in the comics. Without one he'd have to be in protective custody or live on the Helicarrier with all the enemies he makes. It's difficult having a mundane life with Hydra or A.I.M destroying his house with a satellite based laser every other week or spies poisoning his food.
I don't think that Cap needs a secret identity for the same reason the POTUS doesn't need a secret identity.
Think about it this way. He'd be a big target for 2 reasons a) he's a physical threat to them greater than average SHIELD agents, b) dead or alive they can take his body to experiment on to make their own super-soldiers & c) their leaders have a personal stake in putting him in a casket (Red Skull, the Baron Zemos, Baron von Strucker). That's why he'd be a high priority to capture or kill. Unlike Stark he does not have instant access to Iron Man suits, heavily fortified buildings or security guards, Banner can turn into Hulk & is great at going underground to hide when he doesn't want to be found and Thor is a living god of war with a hammer that can flash fry anyone stupid enough to engage him in combat when he isn't beating them into pulps like the Hulk can. The difference with Cap and a POTUS is that a president is under guard 24/7, a secret identity can give Rogers' time to relax without worrying about being targeted for assassinations or kidnappings. Living like a typical American in NYC leaves him vulnerable to enemies, he's not in the White House or Camp David.
Why would he ever maintain a secret identity? Even in the comics he was twenty years outside of time.
Because he still had friends. And for downtime. Even Captain America needs to do something mundane from time to time.
Seriously, Stever Rogers swings by a sex shop to buy some porn (because he's old fashioned). All of a sudden everyone is like "WHAT KIND OF PORN ARE YOU BUYING CAPTAIN AMERICA?!?!?!?!"
It would be a bummer.
It hits the news, Tony Stark shakes his head, shows Steve the internet.
To the person who asked about why Iron Man was doing what he was doing at the beginning of Avengers.
Remember that the Arc reactors (every one we've seen built anyway) require a "jump start" before they start producing power on their own.
Same as the Tesseract....
I'm fairly convinced the Arc tech was based on the tesseract that Daddy Stark found.
Fury heavily implies it. He might outright state it, something about "Where do you think your dad got the idea for the reactor in your chest?"
I kept waiting for the movie to make this an explicit thing, but it never really did.
I was totally expecting loki to pull some voodoo with the tesseract/prototype starkbuilding reactor, but they never really paid it off. Maybe it's storyfodder for IM3.
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
To the person who asked about why Iron Man was doing what he was doing at the beginning of Avengers.
Remember that the Arc reactors (every one we've seen built anyway) require a "jump start" before they start producing power on their own.
Same as the Tesseract....
I'm fairly convinced the Arc tech was based on the tesseract that Daddy Stark found.
Fury heavily implies it. He might outright state it, something about "Where do you think your dad got the idea for the reactor in your chest?"
I kept waiting for the movie to make this an explicit thing, but it never really did.
I was totally expecting loki to pull some voodoo with the tesseract/prototype starkbuilding reactor, but they never really paid it off. Maybe it's storyfodder for IM3.
It might become Avengers Tower in Avengers 2. They foreshadowed that when the only letter left on the building was an "a".
the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Loki was never supposed to be a direct threat. That's why he needed the Cube, to bring the actual threat to Earth. The Avengers weren't scared of him so much as they were scared of what he had set in motion. And really, if he hadn't been stopped when he did, Earth would have been extremely screwed even with the Avengers around.
The Ultimates, for all it's Michael Bay bravado, is where a lot of the MCU draws its inspiration from. It's where you get the black Nick Fury and bearded Thor and everyone wearing kick-ass costumes and SHIELD being the shepherding force behind the group.
It's basically where half of the Captain America movie comes from.
Meh.
There is inspiration but you are kinda overstating it. Like Thor having a Beard isn't really a comparison worth making. The characters are all obviously based very closely on the original characters. Which is why I'd never advise someone who wants to read Avengers stories to read the Ultimates.
The very purpose of the series was to depict strong variations on the Theme. Because of that Captain America, Thor and Hulk are all far and away completely different characters from their original counterparts.
the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Loki was never supposed to be a direct threat. That's why he needed the Cube, to bring the actual threat to Earth. The Avengers weren't scared of him so much as they were scared of what he had set in motion. And really, if he hadn't been stopped when he did, Earth would have been extremely screwed even with the Avengers around.
Oh, I agree that's the case, I just think
It was a slight point of weakness for this type of film to have that separation where Loki is the antagonist with the face but he's a bit pathetic on his own, and the real threat is a faceless alien horde. Loki was a fun character and well-executed for what he was, but it's always more satisfying when you have a well fleshed out villain who is also a very competent adversary.
I guess Whedon has always been a little hit-or-miss with his antagonists. Sometimes he'll have incredible villains (Angelus in Buffy, Holtz in Angel, the Operative in Serenity), other times the antagonist is a faceless entity (Wolfram & Hart through much of Angel, Blue Sun in Firefly) or just plain falls flat (Adam, Glory, and The First in Buffy).
I don't think Loki was a total failure like some of those, but he just wasn't competent enough and his defeat wasn't climactic enough to provide that awesome hell yeah when he goes down... and as presented in the film, the Chitauri are about as faceless and vague as an alien invasion comes.
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the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Loki was never supposed to be a direct threat. That's why he needed the Cube, to bring the actual threat to Earth. The Avengers weren't scared of him so much as they were scared of what he had set in motion. And really, if he hadn't been stopped when he did, Earth would have been extremely screwed even with the Avengers around.
Oh, I agree that's the case, I just think
It was a slight point of weakness for this type of film to have that separation where Loki is the antagonist with the face but he's a bit pathetic on his own, and the real threat is a faceless alien horde. Loki was a fun character and well-executed for what he was, but it's always more satisfying when you have a well fleshed out villain who is also a very competent adversary.
I guess Whedon has always been a little hit-or-miss with his antagonists. Sometimes he'll have incredible villains (Angelus in Buffy, Holtz in Angel, the Operative in Serenity), other times the antagonist is a faceless entity (Wolfram & Hart through much of Angel, Blue Sun in Firefly) or just plain falls flat (Adam, Glory, and The First in Buffy).
It's not like Loki was helpless. He brainwashed Hawkeye, almost beat Cap (whose lucky Iron Man was around and that Loki wanted to be caught by SHIELD), held Tony hostage and fought him then tricked Thor into locking himself in a prison for the Hulk & fought him in a duel which was not any time for Thor. Losing to the Hulk isn't humiliating in itself, it's the Hulk. Loki made the mistake in being arrogant and fighting it up close rather then using illusions or retreating.
the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Loki was never supposed to be a direct threat. That's why he needed the Cube, to bring the actual threat to Earth. The Avengers weren't scared of him so much as they were scared of what he had set in motion. And really, if he hadn't been stopped when he did, Earth would have been extremely screwed even with the Avengers around.
Oh, I agree that's the case, I just think
It was a slight point of weakness for this type of film to have that separation where Loki is the antagonist with the face but he's a bit pathetic on his own, and the real threat is a faceless alien horde. Loki was a fun character and well-executed for what he was, but it's always more satisfying when you have a well fleshed out villain who is also a very competent adversary.
I guess Whedon has always been a little hit-or-miss with his antagonists. Sometimes he'll have incredible villains (Angelus in Buffy, Holtz in Angel, the Operative in Serenity), other times the antagonist is a faceless entity (Wolfram & Hart through much of Angel, Blue Sun in Firefly) or just plain falls flat (Adam, Glory, and The First in Buffy).
It's not like Loki was helpless. He brainwashed Hawkeye, almost beat Cap (whose lucky Iron Man was around and that Loki wanted to be caught by SHIELD), held Tony hostage and fought him then tricked Thor into locking himself in a prison for the Hulk & fought him in a duel which was not any time for Thor. Losing to the Hulk isn't humiliating in itself, it's the Hulk. Loki made the mistake in being arrogant and fighting it up close rather then using illusions or retreating.
yeah, he's portrayed a certain way through the film, and then that all just kind of goes away when it's time for him to get his comeuppance.
like, there should've been a scene where he got outsmarted, or fell victim to his own arrogance or cowardice. They foreshadowed that decently heavily in the scenes on the helicarrier, and then at the end he just like... gets beat up by the hulk? Sort of a let down.
although based on the end of the movie it seems likely we'll hear from him again.
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
the antagonist didn't seem very strong in relation to the main characters, and his individual defeat was so easy it was played for a laugh (admittedly, the biggest laugh of the whole film). I'm sure any sequels will ramp this up, but it was the one point of anti-climax for me.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Loki was never supposed to be a direct threat. That's why he needed the Cube, to bring the actual threat to Earth. The Avengers weren't scared of him so much as they were scared of what he had set in motion. And really, if he hadn't been stopped when he did, Earth would have been extremely screwed even with the Avengers around.
Oh, I agree that's the case, I just think
It was a slight point of weakness for this type of film to have that separation where Loki is the antagonist with the face but he's a bit pathetic on his own, and the real threat is a faceless alien horde. Loki was a fun character and well-executed for what he was, but it's always more satisfying when you have a well fleshed out villain who is also a very competent adversary.
I guess Whedon has always been a little hit-or-miss with his antagonists. Sometimes he'll have incredible villains (Angelus in Buffy, Holtz in Angel, the Operative in Serenity), other times the antagonist is a faceless entity (Wolfram & Hart through much of Angel, Blue Sun in Firefly) or just plain falls flat (Adam, Glory, and The First in Buffy).
It's not like Loki was helpless. He brainwashed Hawkeye, almost beat Cap (whose lucky Iron Man was around and that Loki wanted to be caught by SHIELD), held Tony hostage and fought him then tricked Thor into locking himself in a prison for the Hulk & fought him in a duel which was not any time for Thor. Losing to the Hulk isn't humiliating in itself, it's the Hulk. Loki made the mistake in being arrogant and fighting it up close rather then using illusions or retreating.
yeah, he's portrayed a certain way through the film, and then that all just kind of goes away when it's time for him to get his comeuppance.
like, there should've been a scene where he got outsmarted, or fell victim to his own arrogance or cowardice. They foreshadowed that decently heavily in the scenes on the helicarrier, and then at the end he just like... gets beat up by the hulk? Sort of a let down.
although based on the end of the movie it seems likely we'll hear from him again.
Loki was in over his head with the Hulk. He underestimated how powerful "mere mortals" could be which bit him on the ass. It was a satisfying conclusion IMO. Avengers gave him some humility so I expect the next time he shows up he won't underestimate Earth, or the Hulk, again. Which will only make him more dangerous.
You say Loki should have had a scene where he is defeat do to his arrogance? Well, that's it. Loki could have gotten out of there but chose to fight the "mere Mortal" anyway.
The Ultimates, for all it's Michael Bay bravado, is where a lot of the MCU draws its inspiration from. It's where you get the black Nick Fury and bearded Thor and everyone wearing kick-ass costumes and SHIELD being the shepherding force behind the group.
It's basically where half of the Captain America movie comes from.
To me, Nick Fury being black is less about the canon and more about Samuel L. Jackson being the perfect fucking man for the role. Also, Thor often has a beard in his comics, doesn't he?
And the reason he was the perfect fucking man for the role?
The artist drew him as Samuel L. Jackson. There is really no denying that The Ultimates has been an enormous influence on The Avengers.
Saw the movie yesterday. Fucking loved it. But can someone explain the after credits scene to me? I don't know anything about the comics, so this scene left me a bit baffled. Also, I read somewhere that there was a second scene at the very end? Is that true, because I stayed til the end and there was no other scene.
EDIT: And now Google tells me that the second scene got only tacked onto the US version, but not the international one. WTF?
It was stated fairly eloquently before but it boils down to this:
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
That and in the comics it's sort of how it always goes. When he's angered he's the Hulk reacting to something but when he chooses to change instead Hulk generally helps out the good side. Though even then it's not a guarantee if someone's able to distract or trick him.
That's why I loved when he punched Thor after they kicked ass together for a while. Best screen Hulk by miles and miles, perfectly captured the character.
The Ultimates, for all it's Michael Bay bravado, is where a lot of the MCU draws its inspiration from. It's where you get the black Nick Fury and bearded Thor and everyone wearing kick-ass costumes and SHIELD being the shepherding force behind the group.
It's basically where half of the Captain America movie comes from.
To me, Nick Fury being black is less about the canon and more about Samuel L. Jackson being the perfect fucking man for the role. Also, Thor often has a beard in his comics, doesn't he?
And the reason he was the perfect fucking man for the role?
The artist drew him as Samuel L. Jackson. There is really no denying that The Ultimates has been an enormous influence on The Avengers.
Everyone knows that Samuel L. Jackson can't hold a candle to the real Nick Fury.
Well, that's the thing. Loki was brought down by arrogance. He considered only Thor to be a real threat, and he knows how to play Thor. Turns out, NOPE, Hulk is the heavy hitter. I think it went over pretty well. Loki is not the god of ass kicking; he's the god of trickery with a side of magic. His strongest moments use those attributes.
Saw the movie yesterday. Fucking loved it. But can someone explain the after credits scene to me? I don't know anything about the comics, so this scene left me a bit baffled. Also, I read somewhere that there was a second scene at the very end? Is that true, because I stayed til the end and there was no other scene.
EDIT: And now Google tells me that the second scene got only tacked onto the US version, but not the international one. WTF?
Schwarma tastes good.
Oh, the other scene.
Thanos is one of Marvel's nastiest customers. He's got a raging boner for Death. As in he sends her valentines and chocolates.
He's the bad guy in that scene. Cosmic scale threat.
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Last I saw, he was tearing ass through the sky-ship in an uncontrollable rage. Then he gets thrown to earth and comes back a team-player. Takin' orders from the Cap' and everything.
Did I miss something or was that just not explained?
He constantly fought to keep Hulk contained, hated and resented the Hulk. After his fall, and realizing that the Hulk is just something to deal with, and he can go back to being Bruce when the Hulk isn't around and it'll be "OK", he stops fighting the Hulk, and more or less they work together.
The best stated line was "When all you do is fight to keep him locked up, of course he's going to be pissed and want to destroy everything when he finally gets out (IE Banner fighting off changing on the Helicarrier). But if you work with him and invite him out to play, the Hulk will be happy to help."
Except for Thor.
Except for Thor.
Ahahaha.
Everything else was magnificent. Loved it.
Because he still had friends. And for downtime. Even Captain America needs to do something mundane from time to time.
Seriously, Stever Rogers swings by a sex shop to buy some porn (because he's old fashioned). All of a sudden everyone is like "WHAT KIND OF PORN ARE YOU BUYING CAPTAIN AMERICA?!?!?!?!"
It would be a bummer.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
It hits the news, Tony Stark shakes his head, shows Steve the internet.
Cap's had secret identities before in the comics. Without one he'd have to be in protective custody or live on the Helicarrier with all the enemies he makes. It's difficult having a mundane life with Hydra or A.I.M destroying his house with a satellite based laser every other week or spies poisoning his food.
I don't think that Cap needs a secret identity for the same reason the POTUS doesn't need a secret identity.
The POTUS is a very public figure under constant protection and surveillance whose location is almost always known. I can see why that wouldn't appeal to someone who just as often works on covert missions.
Think about it this way. He'd be a big target for 2 reasons a) he's a physical threat to them greater than average SHIELD agents, b) dead or alive they can take his body to experiment on to make their own super-soldiers & c) their leaders have a personal stake in putting him in a casket (Red Skull, the Baron Zemos, Baron von Strucker). That's why he'd be a high priority to capture or kill. Unlike Stark he does not have instant access to Iron Man suits, heavily fortified buildings or security guards, Banner can turn into Hulk & is great at going underground to hide when he doesn't want to be found and Thor is a living god of war with a hammer that can flash fry anyone stupid enough to engage him in combat when he isn't beating them into pulps like the Hulk can. The difference with Cap and a POTUS is that a president is under guard 24/7, a secret identity can give Rogers' time to relax without worrying about being targeted for assassinations or kidnappings. Living like a typical American in NYC leaves him vulnerable to enemies, he's not in the White House or Camp David.
Loved the movie though. End tags were wonderful.
Speaking of...
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I kept waiting for the movie to make this an explicit thing, but it never really did.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Meh.
There is inspiration but you are kinda overstating it. Like Thor having a Beard isn't really a comparison worth making. The characters are all obviously based very closely on the original characters. Which is why I'd never advise someone who wants to read Avengers stories to read the Ultimates.
The very purpose of the series was to depict strong variations on the Theme. Because of that Captain America, Thor and Hulk are all far and away completely different characters from their original counterparts.
Oh, I agree that's the case, I just think
I guess Whedon has always been a little hit-or-miss with his antagonists. Sometimes he'll have incredible villains (Angelus in Buffy, Holtz in Angel, the Operative in Serenity), other times the antagonist is a faceless entity (Wolfram & Hart through much of Angel, Blue Sun in Firefly) or just plain falls flat (Adam, Glory, and The First in Buffy).
yeah, he's portrayed a certain way through the film, and then that all just kind of goes away when it's time for him to get his comeuppance.
although based on the end of the movie it seems likely we'll hear from him again.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
And the reason he was the perfect fucking man for the role?
The artist drew him as Samuel L. Jackson. There is really no denying that The Ultimates has been an enormous influence on The Avengers.
EDIT: And now Google tells me that the second scene got only tacked onto the US version, but not the international one. WTF?
Everyone knows that Samuel L. Jackson can't hold a candle to the real Nick Fury.
Oh, the other scene.
He's the bad guy in that scene. Cosmic scale threat.
Why I fear the ocean.
Searching for the Infinity Gems which are kind of a big deal in marvel.
True.