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I really wish i knew more details, but it is awfully hard to find unbiased sources down here
There have been protests about NASA funding, and my girlfriend's dad was laid off with 35 years of experience
My reasoning is entirely selfish
I mean people are losing jobs, that is just a fact. They are terminating the shuttle program, so those jobs are gone. However, they are funding an initiative to transfer many of those jobs into other programs and into the new stuff that they're doing.
Which isn't to say some people won't lose their job. It's just not a mass slaughter like some are making it out to be.
It's good to hear that there is at least an effort to keep on people where they can, and I'm hoping some of the discussion in this thread enlightens me a bit more, but it's still very hard to argue "oh hey at least all these people get to maybe keep there jobs" with someone who's out on his ass.
People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.
Also a lot of the old school astronauts (Apollo guys) just made a public statement against Obama's plan. This can be chalked up to crotchety old men being conservative about things.
I also heard that this new plan is supposed to create 2500 jobs around the Space Coast, but I'm pretty sure those numbers come straight from the administration and are probably super-optimistic/flat out wrong.
Also I want Richard Branson to make love to me in space. That is all.
People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.
Also a lot of the old school astronauts (Apollo guys) just made a public statement against Obama's plan. This can be chalked up to crotchety old men being conservative about things.
I also heard that this new plan is supposed to create 2500 jobs around the Space Coast, but I'm pretty sure those numbers come straight from the administration and are probably super-optimistic/flat out wrong.
Also I want Richard Branson to make love to me in space. That is all.
The estimate is 2500 new government program jobs along the coast, and 10k jobs in the private market across the country.
Also Obama has made overtures and guarantees towards Florida, a battleground state, while leaving Texas, a state he will likely lose, wondering what is going to happen.
from 2005 to 2006 the nasa budget was cut (the last time that happened), and i don't seem to recall as much 'bush hates the space program' stuff
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
edited April 2010
The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.
It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
Also Obama has made overtures and guarantees towards Florida, a battleground state, while leaving Texas, a state he will likely lose, wondering what is going to happen.
The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.
It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
well you can always tell her that all the money can go to feeding orphans as long as they are willing to form a shield if an asteroid the size of new york is headed our way
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The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.
It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
i think we should sell texas to china and then send the orphans into space
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MetalbourneInside a cluster b personalityRegistered Userregular
The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.
It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
i think we should sell texas to china and then send the orphans into space
Yeah it seems to me that solution would make them both happy.
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Goose!That's me, honeyShow me the way home, honeyRegistered Userregular
edited April 2010
By protesting his policy on the Washington mall, and writing my congressman. That is how I can not sjupport his nasa policy.
How can we not use leading questions to invoke a debate and/or opinion?
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People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.
No that's just the nature of government and how "spending cuts" work. Congress very rarely actually "cuts" anything they typically just cut a program's projected growth.
I still think we should go back to the moon and establish something more permanent there. 40 years ago was just a race to stand on the moon, now we should look to establish ourselves as a moon presence. Doesn't get much more space dominant than that. Especially if we're working on heavy-payload rocket technology again.
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Snowbeati need somethingto kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered Userregular
edited April 2010
we should carve the moon into the shape of a bald eagle's head
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
edited April 2010
Bad Astronomy, as usual, has a pretty reasonable take on things.
I think it needed to happened. I mean sure i love NASA and the space program because FUCK YEAH SPACE, but I think right now there are more important things to spend the cash on. I think the military spending needed to be cut too thought because I'm a pretty staunch beliver that our education system needs to be completely reworked.
Pfft just let China or some other country with something to prove go to the moon. I don't really care if it's someone from the usa or not up there as long as I get to see it happen.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
I don't think Obama could possibly make me happy, short of "Forget Medicare, all that money goes into SPACE" but I'm pleased to see he at least reinstated the project my sister was working on.
Considering the difficulty in escaping Earth's gravitational pull versus escaping the Moon's, it makes a lot of sense in the long-term to start a moon base if we're going to be launching anything really big anywhere else. Of course, even with a moon base it would take quite literally months or years to send a man anywhere interesting, and that's not really going to change until we develop some sort of near-light-speed travel.
What I really hate is how many congressmen frame any cuts as "But our state needs jobs!"
When Republicans do it, it's extra awful. That is socialism, Republicans- we don't need the govt. to employ everybody in your state!
We should base what we do not on jobs, but on what the govt. needs to actually do
I'm for more unmanned space exploration, personally. Getting a man on mars seems symbolic, but not as cool as sending probes out everywhere else.
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I really hope NASA has learned a lot of lessons from the Space Shuttle program.
They really need to work on cost overruns and sustainability.
They need to take a more focused operational path as well.
I really hope NASA has learned a lot of lessons from the Space Shuttle program.
They really need to work on cost overruns and sustainability.
They need to take a more focused operational path as well.
Which makes it look like it was a good idea to scrap Constellation.
I don't know much about the Ares series. I should look into it.
we should carve the moon into the shape of a bald eagle's head
As for NASA, it is the one program I don't think we can throw enough money at. Just need better controls over spending and focus on better technology and getting that technology developed quickly. If his plan will do this, then I am all for it.
All I'm saying is I want to go into space before I die. Dear NASA, I'm ready to go right now!
Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
edited April 2010
Anyone who can't see that space exploration and the space program in general has provided huge leaps in scientific knowledge, and will continue to do so, is literally RETARDED.
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It's good to hear that there is at least an effort to keep on people where they can, and I'm hoping some of the discussion in this thread enlightens me a bit more, but it's still very hard to argue "oh hey at least all these people get to maybe keep there jobs" with someone who's out on his ass.
Also a lot of the old school astronauts (Apollo guys) just made a public statement against Obama's plan. This can be chalked up to crotchety old men being conservative about things.
I also heard that this new plan is supposed to create 2500 jobs around the Space Coast, but I'm pretty sure those numbers come straight from the administration and are probably super-optimistic/flat out wrong.
Also I want Richard Branson to make love to me in space. That is all.
The estimate is 2500 new government program jobs along the coast, and 10k jobs in the private market across the country.
It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
it'll secede
well you can always tell her that all the money can go to feeding orphans as long as they are willing to form a shield if an asteroid the size of new york is headed our way
Yeah it seems to me that solution would make them both happy.
How can we not use leading questions to invoke a debate and/or opinion?
No that's just the nature of government and how "spending cuts" work. Congress very rarely actually "cuts" anything they typically just cut a program's projected growth.
God damn it.
We could throw some of that at NASA
The only thing that bothers me is the 'no plans' to return to the moon. Why the hell not? We just found water on the fucking thing!
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From what i understand Obama wants to privatize this. probably something like what this guy is talking about
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html
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Considering the difficulty in escaping Earth's gravitational pull versus escaping the Moon's, it makes a lot of sense in the long-term to start a moon base if we're going to be launching anything really big anywhere else. Of course, even with a moon base it would take quite literally months or years to send a man anywhere interesting, and that's not really going to change until we develop some sort of near-light-speed travel.
It's 0.5%, which isn't that tiny.
When Republicans do it, it's extra awful. That is socialism, Republicans- we don't need the govt. to employ everybody in your state!
We should base what we do not on jobs, but on what the govt. needs to actually do
I'm for more unmanned space exploration, personally. Getting a man on mars seems symbolic, but not as cool as sending probes out everywhere else.
They really need to work on cost overruns and sustainability.
They need to take a more focused operational path as well.
Which makes it look like it was a good idea to scrap Constellation.
I don't know much about the Ares series. I should look into it.
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half a penny from every dollar spent is pretty tiny.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o
If you fail to yield, you hate the driver who had the right of way.
Jaywalking means you hate the crosswalk that's probably ten or fifteen feet away from you.
Stupid crosswalks.
As for Nasa: when I was a kid, we were all promised bases on planet Mars. Where the hell are my space bases?
Edit: I was promised Mars bases and I've been paying taxes for a long time. I demand an answer :P
"How much would you pay...for the Universe?"
Badass line.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
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As opposed to the original plan, which was pretty much "EFF U NASA"
As for NASA, it is the one program I don't think we can throw enough money at. Just need better controls over spending and focus on better technology and getting that technology developed quickly. If his plan will do this, then I am all for it.
All I'm saying is I want to go into space before I die. Dear NASA, I'm ready to go right now!
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Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty fair thing to say.