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HDDVD shoves it up the blue ray. 51gigs.
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http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/15/tosh_touts_51gb_hddvd/
"Toshiba has submitted a triple-layer, 51GB HD DVD-ROM disc to the standard's overseer in the hope the technology will be adopted as a standard by the end of the year. If approved, it allow the format to exceed the 50GB storage capacity of rival medium Blu-ray Disc."
Triple layer indeed.
"The snag, of course, is that today's HD DVD players will be incapable of reading the new disc, which is something of a problem for early adopters, who will presumably have to buy new kit. Toshiba last week positioned the new disc as an "extended capacity, high-end option""
Well damn indeed.
Discuss some stuff.
"Toshiba has submitted a triple-layer, 51GB HD DVD-ROM disc to the standard's overseer in the hope the technology will be adopted as a standard by the end of the year. If approved, it allow the format to exceed the 50GB storage capacity of rival medium Blu-ray Disc."
Triple layer indeed.
"The snag, of course, is that today's HD DVD players will be incapable of reading the new disc, which is something of a problem for early adopters, who will presumably have to buy new kit. Toshiba last week positioned the new disc as an "extended capacity, high-end option""
Well damn indeed.
Discuss some stuff.
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edit: Guess not.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5656
so picked one up for $99 CAD and setting it up to watch movies on the PC is the easiest damn thing
They will be useful for the future, however. There's such a low number of HD-DVD players out there that eventually this tech will be adopted and all new players will support it.
Yeah. Kinda crappy that you need a new player for them, but my guess is that if you can triple layer it, someone will get it to work on current players.
I think the HD movies on the 360 Marketplace are around 20 gigs but supposedly the actual HD-DVDs have a better quality picture.
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The HD movies on the xbox marketplace are nowhere near that big. That's bigger than the available space on the hard drive. They're closer to 5-6 gigs and would fit on a regular DVD.
And they don't look anywhere near as good as HD-DVDs or Bluray discs either, and for good reason since they're so compressed. They're of passable quality - around what you get from cable or satellite HD.
False.
Edit: To be more clear: HD-DVD and BLuray both support mpeg-2, but neither is releasing movies using it any more (some early bluray movies were).
As for fitting on a DVD, that depends on your bitrate.
Correct. Cheese, this was covered in another thread here somewhere...I think Blu Ray actually uses MPEG-2 or some MPEG compression, but HD DVD uses something else and Blu Ray might be migrating over to it.
edit: Found it.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25449336&highlight=mpeg2#25449336
Doesn't use MPEG-2. It uses VC1.
The thread I linked above is a good read about this stuff.
That's not true at all, not in the states anyway. Some Best Buy locations will only mark open items down 10%, while others will give you that 10% as a gift card rather than cash off the unit. However, if it's sitting there for a few weeks, they will mark it down some more to get rid of it.
But yeah, I doubt the triple layer discs will play on current gen players.
No man, All of this new technology is about how many time can they make us buy the same shit twice!
:P
Dude, I worked in Best Buy and that comes down from head office because that's how certain SKUs are plugged into the system
MOST products are 5 or 10% off, but accessories and other certain catergories of product are 50%
the 360 HD-DVD add-on SHOULDNT be, but that's the way it is.
although it may very well not be in the US chain of stores, it is up in Canada...
There are still movies coming out on MPEG2 for Blu-ray. Everyone but Warner is pretty much still using MPEG2 on some releases.
Yeah, it doesn't work like that in the States. Not in any of the Best Buy locations I've worked at.
Thanks, I didn't know that.
Are you sure? I mean I worked there for over a year before I even realised things were sometimes more than the standard 10%
the manager was like yeah... that really shouldnt be but its up to head office. i was so stunned i bought it immediately. like-new too
http://digg.com/hardware/TDK_cracks_200GB_Blu-ray_Disc_problem
http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753812p1.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-World-s-Highest-Storage-Capacity-TDK-s-200-GB-Blu-ray-discs-34584.shtml
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That's interesting. I can't speak for Canadian Best Buys, but the rule for U.S. stores is as follows:
If the product sells for under $100, (usually accessories, etc) it's supposed to be marked down 15%.
If the product is a Desktop, Monitor, Notebook, or Printer (I may have missed a catagory, but I don't think so) it gets a gift card for 5% of it's selling price.
All other products get a gift card for 10% of the selling price.
Periodicly (every two weeks, I believe) We're to re-mark anything that's already been marked down, or marked with a gift card sticker. Basicly, if it's been sitting too long, we go more aggressive with it, little by little until it sells.
In practice, this doesn't happen, because that's the rule, but it's left up to the individual stores and people within them to implement it. Nothing is automated, forcing it to work this way, so it often doesn't.
For instance, I run the PC department in my store. I usually just start with 10% gift cards for PCs, and round the ammount up (I.E. a desktop selling for $829.99 would get a $90 gift card) because I want to get rid of the stuff, and because the gift cards are not counted against my numbers as a department head.
Managers CAN override the gift card and give you a real discount, but we don't want to, and will hardly ever do so. Often if I really want to move something, I'll gove a customer a choice. $100 off or $250 gift card for instance. It's much more attractive for me to give you a gift card, because I know you're goiong to spend it in my store, therefore, I want to make the gift card more attractive to you, or just not give you the cash discount option at all.
YMMV with different managers, though. Most won't talk cash discount any more unless there are wierd circumstances of some sort.
Sorry to derail, just don't want everyone to think that there's some magical policy in all BBYs that makes 360 HDDVD drives 50% off automagicly.
I would tend to agree though that the tripple layer HDDVDs are largely irrelevant now that the spec has launched.
But that's economically impractical, from a media and a media-player standpoint. The PS3 doesn't read sextuple-layer Blu Ray discs, and you're not going to find a player that will any time soon. As it is, non-PS3 Blu Ray players are about $1000 minimum, and they only read dual layer discs.
Triple-layer HD DVD discs is a reasonable possibility.
Most likely, though, the standards will remain at dual layer HD DVDs (34 gigs) and dual layer Blu Ray discs (50 gigs), and I don't really consider that a massive difference considering what the extra storage capacity is used for.
I mean it's a nice demonstration of what is possible and what TDK is capable of as a company. But it is largely irrelevant here.
Why? From the article that started this thread, all current HD-DVD players won't read this either, so it's in exactly the same position as the six-layer BDs you dismiss. (As an aside, you can find non-PS3 BD players for about $700 now easily.)
Besides, who cares about triple- or even sextuple-layer discs when Ritek claims they can make ten-layer discs of either kind (also linked in this thread)? That bumps the Blu-ray size advantage to 100 GB on a single disc--meaningless for movies, but maybe a point for personal data storage.
All such advances and their effects on market share are unpredictable, though. People should buy technology that does what they want right now, or wait.
"I just want people to see my action heart."
I've only d/led one, Swordfish, and it was 5gb. I'd never seen the movie before, don't judge me. [spoiler:3f60c073ad]hd boobies[/spoiler:3f60c073ad]
200gb - 300gb disks already out, 1.6 tb disks are possible.
Toshiba is already investing in the companies behind it and had this quote.
It's pricey now (it's really only for buisness as is) but it's the future.
Because you can find HD DVD players for 200/300 dollars. It's much cheaper technology. I can easily envision triple-layer discs becoming the norm for HD DVD but I cannot imagine sextuple- or decuple-layer Blu Ray discs considering the cost, at least not for movies or media centers. I can't really see it happening for PC data storage either. Hell, I don't see triple-layer Blu Ray discs becoming the norm. It's just not cost-effective.
You cut out the most relevant part of my opinion, though - that most likely dual layer discs will remain the norm.
Also, weren't initial DVD players unable to play dual layer discs? HD DVD and Blu Ray drives, to my knowledge, began with the ability to play dual layer discs. It isn't entirely inconceivable that, if media manufacturing were cost-effective, either or both technologies might bump up to a triple-layer standard.
I really don't see it happening though. I think, for movies and games anyway, we're going to be seeing a dual-layer 34 vs. 50 gig standard.
Yes, but that's most likely never going to be the norm. I really wouldn't worry about it.
Cool, they have a triple layer HD-DVD. They also have triple layer BDs.
I'm confused... What is the point of this thread?
edit: Drez is right, I doubt we'll be dealing with anything over the dual layer discs for either format anytime soon. Because if we did, that would mean all of the early adopters would be screwed, which would make this next gen format battle even more of a sick joke (the butt of which being our wallets) than it already is.
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This forum contains discussions on both games and technology.
This is a discussion of the latter.
Apologies, I didn't mean to misrepresent your opinions, I just quoted the part I disagreed with. I too think dual-layer discs will be standard, I was just wondering why you thought a switch to other technology would be viable for one format but not the other.
In any case, I think we can all agree that a short period of giant tech firms not revamping standards every forty seconds might make purchasing home electronics a less worrying experience.
"I just want people to see my action heart."
You should, I dunno, read it and find out. Crazy idea, huh?
It seems like at this point we should have some idea where the wind is blowing.
Yes, somewhat. Read my post here (should take you directly to the post):
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25433642&highlight=amazon#25433642
I'm confused about the hubbub going on about a triple layer HD-DVD. No one can use it, and it's barely more expansive than the dual layer BD that is actually useable by consumers.
So, there will be triple layer HD-DVD capable drives in the future? There will be triple layer BD drives in the future, at 75GB capacity.
I could see people being excited if current gen HD-DVD players were triple layer capable (since they're generally cheaper than BD players), but by the time triple layer discs become standard, the price difference probably won't exist at all. Hell, one of the formats might not even exist at all (in terms of movies).
So, my question is, why are people getting excited about a disc that isn't usable, and by the time it is, the competition will have it outclassed... and more than likely at a comparitive price point?
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CD - basic 650MB disc
CD-Rs come along and some drives can't read them.
CD-RWs come along and even more drives can't read them. (esp audio players)
More people adopt the drive because they want them for data storage, burning music, etc and now it's a standard and even been raised to 700MB.
DVD - basic movie
DVD-R, -RW, +R, +RW was a crapshoot to find a player which would play them in the early days. Sometimes it would read one and not the other, or vice versa, or neither. But now it's a standard and it's still stupid 'cause drives can read (and write) all four types of media 'cause people wanted it.
HD DVD dual-layer
Could very well turn into triple-layer. Sorry early adopters.