His hypnotic third eye is directly connected to his brain, giving him telepathic powers.
Oh Jesus, Loki is definitely sticking something in that eye. A sprig of mistletoe, maybe? Norse Mythology= win.
Where is he going to get mistletoe on Mars?
That just really seems like Loki's style. Instead of fighting the rampaging ultrastrong telepathic alien, he pokes the guy in his brain/eye and kills him. I'm sure he could get his hands on something sharp and pointy. I dunno...teleport it there?
His hypnotic third eye is directly connected to his brain, giving him telepathic powers.
Oh Jesus, Loki is definitely sticking something in that eye. A sprig of mistletoe, maybe? Norse Mythology= win.
Where is he going to get mistletoe on Mars?
That just really seems like Loki's style. Instead of fighting the rampaging ultrastrong telepathic alien, he pokes the guy in his brain/eye and kills him. I'm sure he could get his hands on something sharp and pointy. I dunno...teleport it there?
I was more just wondering where this mistletoe was coming from than anything. The flaw with this plan is Despero isn't just gonna stand there and let Loki come at him with something sharp and pointy, he's going to dodge or block it. Plus that's a pretty tough called shot to make, an inch by inch square on a moving target.
There's also the fact that you could shoot Despero in the eye with an armour-piercing bullet and he'd be unlikely to even be bothered by it.
Because every bit of him is highly resistant to damage.
His eyes > mistletoe.
Yes, there is this too. He is more invulnerable than Superman. Superman's eyes are bullet proof. So Despero's eyes, yes even his third one, would be able to resist even more damage. I don't think Loki would have a material on him or be able to find such a material on Mars that could penetrate Despero's invulnerability.
Despero enslaved a cosmic entity or some shit with his telepathy. It can be therefore assumed that he could at least read Loki's mind and affect it to some extent, albeit a small one.
Though I don't know the cosmic being that Despero controled, this reasoning strikes me as only partially sound. It's at least just as possible, if not moreso, that because Loki is essentially a wholly magical being, his mind doesn't have to follow any physical laws. And since Despero's power is physical in nature, Loki could be completely immune to his mind powers because his mind doesn't follow the basic physical laws of the universe. What I mean is enslaving a hot-shot cosmic being might be way easier, even if it's someone way more powerful than Loki, because the cosmic being's mind has to follow physics in some basic way, even if it totally defies them. I mean, Loki doesn't even have to have a brain, or even be made of atoms. . . Plus, as someone else mentioned, Loki is the grand pimp of mind games, it's going to be really hard for Despero to gain any advantage from his mental powers.
And I wouldn't count Loki out just because he's on (a presumably empty) Mars. Loki pretty much always fights people who are way stronger than him (Thor, various Anvengers teams, Odin, Dr. Strange [arguably]), and he usually gives them a run for their money using just his wits and some magic. Plus, I'm not really sure how the Tourny's rules deal with this, but Loki has some serious back. He's always summoning Trolls or Sutor or some shit to ruin everyone's face. I don't know if he's allowed to call for backup or not, but even still, I bet he could make Mars come alive with rock elementals or crazy demons or something.
Also, is Despero's third eye a weakpoint or not? If it gets poked out, does Despy just lose his brain powers, does he die, or does he just get crazy pissed because no one likes getting poked in the eye?
edit: So hypothetically, if Loki had some magical mistletoe of sharpness, or of eye-pokedness, and he pierced Despero's eye with it, then what would happen?
Despero is a powerful villain. The Flame of Py'tar gave Despero physical strength and durability that surpasses beings like Superman and Captain Marvel. Also very intelligent, he is skilled as both a warrior and tyrant. His hypnotic third eye is directly connected to his brain, giving him telepathic powers that surpass (as seen in JLA #119) those of the Martian Manhunter. It is also capable of projecting realistic illusions and entrancing virtually any sentient being. It can also project beams of telekinetic energy enabling the teleportation of matter anywhere in the universe.
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Given this information, it's pretty hard to dispute a victory over Loki. Jo'nn's abilities alone are unfathomable. To best MM in telepathy with the additional power of telekinesis makes Despero a truly formidable opponent.
Also, is Despero's third eye a weakpoint or not? If it gets poked out, does Despy just lose his brain powers, does he die, or does he just get crazy pissed because no one likes getting poked in the eye?
edit: So hypothetically, if Loki had some magical mistletoe of sharpness, or of eye-pokedness, and he pierced Despero's eye with it, then what would happen?
I wouldn't call his third eye a weak point. It's just as invulnerable as the rest of him. However should Loki find a way to poke it out I'd imagine you'd have an incredibly pissed off Despero with somewhat weaker telepathic and hypnotic abilities.
The problem is finding something and some way to poke out the eye. If Loki gets close to Despero he is dead. If Loki uses a ranged attack Despero would have plenty of time to dodge and/or block since he'd still have his telepathy and know it was coming. Plus Loki would have to be one hell of a physical combatant to do either shot in a one inch square on a hostile target. It is not exactly easy people.
Can't Loki magic up some manner of item or contraption that would either kill Despero or launch him off the planet?
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Loki summons up a twig from the world tree
Tells Despero he can win if he can catch the twig
Despero agrees, smirking
Gets impaled by the fucking world tree
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Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
Along those lines, couldn't Loki also just magic up a magical sword made of magic that can hurt Despero? Like WW's sword can hurt superman?
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Wait, you mean kind of like how some people around here are trying to pass off Despero as completely invulnerable to everything short of a ring-out? Despero's obviously been defeated before, and I'm willing to bet it's been done by people a lot less versatile and intelligent than an Asgardian god.
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Those are both pretty bull shit things to have him do to win. Plus has he ever done anything like that with the world tree before? If he hasn't I'd go with he can't do it here. And both Despero and Loki can do the teleport the other guys somewhere far away to make them DQ, so I think we should either agree that neither of them do it or they do it to each other at the same time resulting in a double DQ and no one advances.
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Wait, you mean kind of like how some people around here are trying to pass off Despero as completely invulnerable to everything short of a ring-out? Despero's obviously been defeated before, and I'm willing to bet it's been done by people a lot less versatile and intelligent than an Asgardian God.
Despero has yet to actually fight anyone that puts up a decent physical fight. Despero can be beaten, it's just a matter of hitting him hard enough. Ultron could do it.
On the other hand, if Loki were to win by just teleporting him out, well, then he could just do that for the rest of the tournament, and that's lame.
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Wait, you mean kind of like how some people around here are trying to pass off Despero as completely invulnerable to everything short of a ring-out? Despero's obviously been defeated before, and I'm willing to bet it's been done by people a lot less versatile and intelligent than an Asgardian God.
He has been defeated before, by the entirety of the JLA. Counting both American and European contingents. And they didn't beat him physically they either had L-RON take him over through a slave collar that he was wearing in the story that I'm not sure he'd have on now since he no longer belongs to Manga Kahn. He then took over L-RON's robotic body, which was then shot and destroyed by a duck hunter causing him to become a free floating evil essence again that could take over people's bodies. The other time the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over. The most recent time he was defeated he was taken in custody but the Guardians of the Universe, a group of beings just a lot more powerful than the Asgardians.
That being said, this battle comes down to wits. Loki is the trickster god, Despero is a big pink guy. You do the math.
Wait, what?
i mean, i don't want despero to win, but how does this come down to wits? I mean really. That's like lining up a sasquatch against a human and saying "welp, these two are pretty evenly matched, it's all up to who can outsmart the other one." Despero doesn't need to outsmart Loki, he just needs to beat the shit out of him. Loki might outsmart him, but that's just a chance. Despero starts with the advantage here, by being ridiculously powerful.
That being said, this battle comes down to wits. Loki is the trickster god, Despero is a big pink guy. You do the math.
Loki is the trickster god, Despero is the guy who often beats the most brutal shit out of the JLA, and who is not at all a stranger to psychic powers and illusions.
And who is also some five hundred times stronger than Loki, physically, because Loki is only a few tons above the Asgardian average strength level.
And whose psychic powers are such that they can enslave cosmic entities.
You do the math.
Despero is smarter and stronger than Thor, who regularly beats Loki senseless.
He has been defeated before, by the entirety of the JLA. Counting both American and European contingents. And they didn't beat him physically they either had L-RON take him over through a slave collar that he was wearing in the story that I'm not sure he'd have on now since he no longer belongs to Manga Kahn. He then took over L-RON's robotic body, which was then shot and destroyed by a duck hunter causing him to become a free floating evil essence again that could take over people's bodies. The other time the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over. The most recent time he was defeated he was taken in custody but the Guardians of the Universe, a group of beings just a lot more powerful than the Asgardians.
If that shit is true, Despero is starting to look like a lighter-skinned version of Thanos. That "took both branches of the JLA to stop him" sounds an awful lot like the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. How the hell did he get into this contest?
He has been defeated before, by the entirety of the JLA. Counting both American and European contingents. And they didn't beat him physically they either had L-RON take him over through a slave collar that he was wearing in the story that I'm not sure he'd have on now since he no longer belongs to Manga Kahn. He then took over L-RON's robotic body, which was then shot and destroyed by a duck hunter causing him to become a free floating evil essence again that could take over people's bodies. The other time the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over. The most recent time he was defeated he was taken in custody but the Guardians of the Universe, a group of beings just a lot more powerful than the Asgardians.
If that shit is true, Despero is starting to look like a lighter-skinned version of Thanos. That "took both branches of the JLA to stop him" sounds an awful lot like the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. How the hell did he get into this contest?
As for how he got in, I'm not really sure, but I'm going by the same thing I said in the hero tournament. He is in the tournament and it is complete bull shit to vote him out just because you think he's too strong. The fact that he is strong should in fact get him through the tournament, not hinder his progress. If you don't want these people in you should say something right at the beginning.
He has been defeated before, by the entirety of the JLA. Counting both American and European contingents. And they didn't beat him physically they either had L-RON take him over through a slave collar that he was wearing in the story that I'm not sure he'd have on now since he no longer belongs to Manga Kahn. He then took over L-RON's robotic body, which was then shot and destroyed by a duck hunter causing him to become a free floating evil essence again that could take over people's bodies. The other time the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over. The most recent time he was defeated he was taken in custody but the Guardians of the Universe, a group of beings just a lot more powerful than the Asgardians.
If that shit is true, Despero is starting to look like a lighter-skinned version of Thanos. That "took both branches of the JLA to stop him" sounds an awful lot like the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. How the hell did he get into this contest?
We weren't looking and he took out the Doombot doing the registration with his spittle, which incidentally, is 1000x stronger than adamantium.
Loki isn't a cosmic entity. Loki is an Asgardian God. He doesn't even have to exist on the same plane as Despero, so I highly doubt anything psychic from Despero is going to be able to cause any major damage. Loki could draw inhabitants from other realms onto Mars just to play with Despero. He could also create any number of enchanted items to take Despero out permanently. Hell, Loki could trick Despero into teleporting into the core of Mars, where Despero would then find himself stuck in a tangled root from Ygrdasil that Loki managed to obtain by tricking Odin or some other god to temporarily disenchant it and remove it for him. Point is, Loki has everything that Despero has (on some level) and Magic. That is his trump. Despero can't do a thing against magically enchanted string, even if he is super strong.
It's been shown that Loki covorts with the Endless. Despero...is just a physical being.
Loki isn't a cosmic entity. Loki is an Asgardian God. He doesn't even have to exist on the same plane as Despero, so I highly doubt anything psychic from Despero is going to be able to cause any major damage. Loki could draw inhabitants from other realms onto Mars just to play with Despero. He could also create any number of enchanted items to take Despero out permanently. Hell, Loki could trick Despero into teleporting into the core of Mars, where Despero would then find himself stuck in a tangled root from Ygrdasil that Loki managed to obtain by tricking Odin or some other god to temporarily disenchant it and remove it for him. Point is, Loki has everything that Despero has (on some level) and Magic. That is his trump. Despero can't do a thing against magically enchanted string, even if he is super strong.
It's been shown that Loki covorts with the Endless. Despero...is just a physical being.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
I'd say there would be no way to dismiss recruits created on site as illegal. I'm not sure about teleporting others in.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
I'd say there would be no way to dismiss recruits created on site as illegal. I'm not sure about teleporting others in.
Yeah, I'd imagine creating them is ok, as then they are technically part of your powers. But summoning in other things that you did not make is not allowed since you had no part in their creation, they are not part of your powers.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
I'd say there would be no way to dismiss recruits created on site as illegal. I'm not sure about teleporting others in.
Yeah, I'd imagine creating them is ok, as then they are technically part of your powers. But summoning in other things that you did not make is not allowed since you had no part in their creation, they are not part of your powers.
So if it takes an entire superteam to beat Despero....Loki could start making an army of super powered rock men, as his wiki claims he endow super powers on inanimate objects? I imagine he could get a pretty big army going before he gets found, as Mars is kinda huge.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
I'd say there would be no way to dismiss recruits created on site as illegal. I'm not sure about teleporting others in.
Yeah, I'd imagine creating them is ok, as then they are technically part of your powers. But summoning in other things that you did not make is not allowed since you had no part in their creation, they are not part of your powers.
So if it takes an entire superteam to beat Despero....Loki could start making an army of super powered rock men, as his wiki claims he endow super powers on inanimate objects? I imagine he could get a pretty big army going before he gets found, as Mars is kinda huge.
But then the question becomes just how powerful are these powers? What affect does it have on Loki himself? (Surely giving out so much power would be draining on him) And it says he can give the objects power yes, but it doesn't say he can animate the rock. So you'd have a super strong rock that just sits there.
And, even if he could give the rocks life, roughly average Asgardian male strength and endurance and some kind of fighting tactics without draining his own energy at all, I'm still not sure if that would beat Despero. The average Asgardian male is considerably weaker than Superman, a person that Despero is many times stronger than.
What I see this as is Loki just getting fucked. There's no general populace for him to trick into fighting for him and he's not strong enough to physically fight Despero. His only option is to use his magic to attack Despero, but I think the big purply guy could take him down before that really started to hurt him.
Despero is starting to look like the bulldozer in the China shop again.
*Off topic for a minute - why the hell would DC writers ever need to make up a brand new ( and not very interesting ) ridiculously powerful character like Doomsday to kill Superman, when they could just have had an existing ridiculously powerful character like Despero go for the kill? Never quite understood that logic.
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Situation excellent. I am attacking.
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Despero is starting to look like the bulldozer in the China shop again.
*Off topic for a minute - why the hell would DC writers ever need to make up a brand new ( and not very interesting ) ridiculously powerful character like Doomsday to kill Superman, when they could just have had an existing ridiculously powerful character like Despero go for the kill? Never quite understood that logic.
Because they wanted the little plot twist about how the Kryptonians created a monster like Doomsday? They like having a variety of bad guys to cause possible problems so that they can write more than one story?
I'm going with the viewpoint that Loki is a magical being from a different plane of existence and will be immune to ATLEAST the telepathy/mind control portion of Despero's powers. In fact, I'm betting that Loki will be able to manipulate Despero to a certain extent by projecting signals that cause despero's telepathy to 'see' things that aren't there(Ie: a mental projection that loki is going to attack from one way, and then he'll attack from a different angle).
That being said, the fight becomes more even, but I still dont see how Loki can damage Despero without some serious backup. Is this DC comics mars or Marvel comics mars or just regular old mars? Could make a difference in population, etc.
But... does loki even NEED to hurt despero?
the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over.
So... martian manhunter can trick despero but LOKI(The motherfucking GOD of trickery) cant?
My prediction of the outcome:
Fight starts and loki avoids attacks for a little while(by manipulating Despero's telepathy power) till he realizes he cant hurt this big pink powerhouse. Loki eventually gets the idea to make Despero think he won. Loki either creates a duplicate of himself to sacrifice or just plain fakes out Despero by manipulating his telepathy. He then fakes Doom's voice from the sky telling despero that he has won and may return to his home until the next match. Big pink and ugly believes him, flies/teleports off the planet, and Loki wins by ring out.
If MM can trick Despero, so can the GOD of trickery. I think it really comes down to that point. It may be somewhat cheap, but THATS HOW LOKI ROLLS!
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Oh ya, and Ultron owns the living shit out of Mandarin. This is the adamantium incarnation. He is INSANELY powerful.
Ultron > Ironman > Mandarin
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Benjamin Franklin used foil covered window glass to create a capacitor. He then attempted to kill a turkey with the stored charge. Instead, he knocked himself out. Franklin later wrote, "I tried to kill a turkey but nearly succeeded in killing a goose."
I'm going with the viewpoint that Loki is a magical being from a different plane of existence and will be immune to ATLEAST the telepathy/mind control portion of Despero's powers. In fact, I'm betting that Loki will be able to manipulate Despero to a certain extent by projecting signals that cause despero's telepathy to 'see' things that aren't there(Ie: a mental projection that loki is going to attack from one way, and then he'll attack from a different angle).
That being said, the fight becomes more even, but I still dont see how Loki can damage Despero without some serious backup. Is this DC comics mars or Marvel comics mars or just regular old mars? Could make a difference in population, etc.
But... does loki even NEED to hurt despero?
the Martian Manhunter came up with a dues ex machina power to convince Despero that he had killed everyone on Earth so he just kinda left and went back to the planet he was a tyrant over.
So... martian manhunter can trick despero but LOKI(The motherfucking GOD of trickery) cant?
My prediction of the outcome:
Fight starts and loki avoids attacks for a little while(by manipulating Despero's telepathy power) till he realizes he cant hurt this big pink powerhouse. Loki eventually gets the idea to make Despero think he won. Loki either creates a duplicate of himself to sacrifice or just plain fakes out Despero by manipulating his telepathy. He then fakes Doom's voice from the sky telling despero that he has won and may return to his home until the next match. Big pink and ugly believes him, flies/teleports off the planet, and Loki wins by ring out.
If MM can trick Despero, so can the GOD of trickery. I think it really comes down to that point. It may be somewhat cheap, but THATS HOW LOKI ROLLS!
Ok, then can you explain how anyone will ever beat Loki in this tournament? Because if this works against the strongest telepath and the strongest physical character in the competition I fail to see who it will not work against. That plus I tend to hate bull shit abilities like that where the person wins with out any form of conflict or direct involvement in defeating their opponent.
I think Despero's disadvantage in this fight boils down to the discontinuity between DC and Marvel magic. In Marvel, magic is a superpower, albiet a fan-fucking-tastic one, but no one would suggest that Dr. Strange would be able to defeat Galactus with magic since magic operates on the same sort of powercontinuum as cosmic woogitywoo.
In DC on the other hand magic seems to be the end all, be all, no-freaking-rules-to-govern-it's-effects huckleberry. Lame third-string villians routinely flummox Superman with magic cause er... he's got to have a weakness other than kryptonite so we can write some stories other than "Supes runs into some kryptonite." It's on a very different, very poorly defined power continuum.
So the question becomes, is there precident for Despero encountering magic, and what was his reaction to it.
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That being said, this battle comes down to wits. Loki is the trickster god, Despero is a big pink guy. You do the math.
Loki is the trickster god, Despero is the guy who often beats the most brutal shit out of the JLA, and who is not at all a stranger to psychic powers and illusions.
And who is also some five hundred times stronger than Loki, physically, because Loki is only a few tons above the Asgardian average strength level.
And whose psychic powers are such that they can enslave cosmic entities.
You do the math.
Despero is smarter and stronger than Thor, who regularly beats Loki senseless.
It always comes down that that pitiful crap of "so and so is stronger than so and so, so so and so can beat so and so."
I think Despero's disadvantage in this fight boils down to the discontinuity between DC and Marvel magic. In Marvel, magic is a superpower, albiet a fan-fucking-tastic one, but no one would suggest that Dr. Strange would be able to defeat Galactus with magic since magic operates on the same sort of powercontinuum as cosmic woogitywoo.
In DC on the other hand magic seems to be the end all, be all, no-freaking-rules-to-govern-it's-effects huckleberry. Lame third-string villians routinely flummox Superman with magic cause er... he's got to have a weakness other than kryptonite so we can write some stories other than "Supes runs into some kryptonite." It's on a very different, very poorly defined power continuum.
So the question becomes, is there precident for Despero encountering magic, and what was his reaction to it.
Well, he took on the entirety of the Justice League, both the American and European branches of it. They have pretty powerful magic users and he beat them.
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From the space Misteltoe tree, obviously.
That just really seems like Loki's style. Instead of fighting the rampaging ultrastrong telepathic alien, he pokes the guy in his brain/eye and kills him. I'm sure he could get his hands on something sharp and pointy. I dunno...teleport it there?
Because every bit of him is highly resistant to damage.
His eyes > mistletoe.
Though I don't know the cosmic being that Despero controled, this reasoning strikes me as only partially sound. It's at least just as possible, if not moreso, that because Loki is essentially a wholly magical being, his mind doesn't have to follow any physical laws. And since Despero's power is physical in nature, Loki could be completely immune to his mind powers because his mind doesn't follow the basic physical laws of the universe. What I mean is enslaving a hot-shot cosmic being might be way easier, even if it's someone way more powerful than Loki, because the cosmic being's mind has to follow physics in some basic way, even if it totally defies them. I mean, Loki doesn't even have to have a brain, or even be made of atoms. . . Plus, as someone else mentioned, Loki is the grand pimp of mind games, it's going to be really hard for Despero to gain any advantage from his mental powers.
And I wouldn't count Loki out just because he's on (a presumably empty) Mars. Loki pretty much always fights people who are way stronger than him (Thor, various Anvengers teams, Odin, Dr. Strange [arguably]), and he usually gives them a run for their money using just his wits and some magic. Plus, I'm not really sure how the Tourny's rules deal with this, but Loki has some serious back. He's always summoning Trolls or Sutor or some shit to ruin everyone's face. I don't know if he's allowed to call for backup or not, but even still, I bet he could make Mars come alive with rock elementals or crazy demons or something.
Also, is Despero's third eye a weakpoint or not? If it gets poked out, does Despy just lose his brain powers, does he die, or does he just get crazy pissed because no one likes getting poked in the eye?
edit: So hypothetically, if Loki had some magical mistletoe of sharpness, or of eye-pokedness, and he pierced Despero's eye with it, then what would happen?
Given this information, it's pretty hard to dispute a victory over Loki. Jo'nn's abilities alone are unfathomable. To best MM in telepathy with the additional power of telekinesis makes Despero a truly formidable opponent.
The problem is finding something and some way to poke out the eye. If Loki gets close to Despero he is dead. If Loki uses a ranged attack Despero would have plenty of time to dodge and/or block since he'd still have his telepathy and know it was coming. Plus Loki would have to be one hell of a physical combatant to do either shot in a one inch square on a hostile target. It is not exactly easy people.
Tells Despero he can win if he can catch the twig
Despero agrees, smirking
Gets impaled by the fucking world tree
Ok this is why Loki needs to stay in the contest. He's goddamn fun to think up battle scenarios for.
Along the "getting Despero off the planet for a DQ" line..is it too bullshit to think that Loki could just teleport Despero to some other dimension for the insta-win? I see nothing in Despero's wiki that says he's able to resist or block magical attacks.
Along those lines, couldn't Loki also just magic up a magical sword made of magic that can hurt Despero? Like WW's sword can hurt superman?
If he could do this, then he should be disqualified on the grounds of being fucking unstoppable.
Wait, you mean kind of like how some people around here are trying to pass off Despero as completely invulnerable to everything short of a ring-out? Despero's obviously been defeated before, and I'm willing to bet it's been done by people a lot less versatile and intelligent than an Asgardian god.
edited: Damn you, spelling errors.
Those are both pretty bull shit things to have him do to win. Plus has he ever done anything like that with the world tree before? If he hasn't I'd go with he can't do it here. And both Despero and Loki can do the teleport the other guys somewhere far away to make them DQ, so I think we should either agree that neither of them do it or they do it to each other at the same time resulting in a double DQ and no one advances.
Despero has yet to actually fight anyone that puts up a decent physical fight. Despero can be beaten, it's just a matter of hitting him hard enough. Ultron could do it.
On the other hand, if Loki were to win by just teleporting him out, well, then he could just do that for the rest of the tournament, and that's lame.
That being said, this battle comes down to wits. Loki is the trickster god, Despero is a big pink guy. You do the math.
Wait, what?
i mean, i don't want despero to win, but how does this come down to wits? I mean really. That's like lining up a sasquatch against a human and saying "welp, these two are pretty evenly matched, it's all up to who can outsmart the other one." Despero doesn't need to outsmart Loki, he just needs to beat the shit out of him. Loki might outsmart him, but that's just a chance. Despero starts with the advantage here, by being ridiculously powerful.
Loki is the trickster god, Despero is the guy who often beats the most brutal shit out of the JLA, and who is not at all a stranger to psychic powers and illusions.
And who is also some five hundred times stronger than Loki, physically, because Loki is only a few tons above the Asgardian average strength level.
And whose psychic powers are such that they can enslave cosmic entities.
You do the math.
Despero is smarter and stronger than Thor, who regularly beats Loki senseless.
If that shit is true, Despero is starting to look like a lighter-skinned version of Thanos. That "took both branches of the JLA to stop him" sounds an awful lot like the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. How the hell did he get into this contest?
As for how he got in, I'm not really sure, but I'm going by the same thing I said in the hero tournament. He is in the tournament and it is complete bull shit to vote him out just because you think he's too strong. The fact that he is strong should in fact get him through the tournament, not hinder his progress. If you don't want these people in you should say something right at the beginning.
Edit: Included wiki link.
We weren't looking and he took out the Doombot doing the registration with his spittle, which incidentally, is 1000x stronger than adamantium.
It's been shown that Loki covorts with the Endless. Despero...is just a physical being.
Has there been any ruling on recruits? Either teleported in or created on-site? I would assume it's not allowed, but I would love to see Loki teleport Thor to the battle and then tag-team ruin Despero's poorly written ass.
So if it takes an entire superteam to beat Despero....Loki could start making an army of super powered rock men, as his wiki claims he endow super powers on inanimate objects? I imagine he could get a pretty big army going before he gets found, as Mars is kinda huge.
And, even if he could give the rocks life, roughly average Asgardian male strength and endurance and some kind of fighting tactics without draining his own energy at all, I'm still not sure if that would beat Despero. The average Asgardian male is considerably weaker than Superman, a person that Despero is many times stronger than.
What I see this as is Loki just getting fucked. There's no general populace for him to trick into fighting for him and he's not strong enough to physically fight Despero. His only option is to use his magic to attack Despero, but I think the big purply guy could take him down before that really started to hurt him.
*Off topic for a minute - why the hell would DC writers ever need to make up a brand new ( and not very interesting ) ridiculously powerful character like Doomsday to kill Superman, when they could just have had an existing ridiculously powerful character like Despero go for the kill? Never quite understood that logic.
Situation excellent. I am attacking.
- General Ferdinand Foch
That being said, the fight becomes more even, but I still dont see how Loki can damage Despero without some serious backup. Is this DC comics mars or Marvel comics mars or just regular old mars? Could make a difference in population, etc.
But... does loki even NEED to hurt despero? So... martian manhunter can trick despero but LOKI(The motherfucking GOD of trickery) cant?
My prediction of the outcome:
Fight starts and loki avoids attacks for a little while(by manipulating Despero's telepathy power) till he realizes he cant hurt this big pink powerhouse. Loki eventually gets the idea to make Despero think he won. Loki either creates a duplicate of himself to sacrifice or just plain fakes out Despero by manipulating his telepathy. He then fakes Doom's voice from the sky telling despero that he has won and may return to his home until the next match. Big pink and ugly believes him, flies/teleports off the planet, and Loki wins by ring out.
If MM can trick Despero, so can the GOD of trickery. I think it really comes down to that point. It may be somewhat cheap, but THATS HOW LOKI ROLLS!
Ultron > Ironman > Mandarin
In DC on the other hand magic seems to be the end all, be all, no-freaking-rules-to-govern-it's-effects huckleberry. Lame third-string villians routinely flummox Superman with magic cause er... he's got to have a weakness other than kryptonite so we can write some stories other than "Supes runs into some kryptonite." It's on a very different, very poorly defined power continuum.
So the question becomes, is there precident for Despero encountering magic, and what was his reaction to it.
It always comes down that that pitiful crap of "so and so is stronger than so and so, so so and so can beat so and so."
Shut the hell up with that illogical shit.