Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Well yeah, but I mean would it be better or worse than the current implementation?
If you attach her to 1 hatch, what's the point of the unit? Just make her an upgrade to the hatch then and make the Queen an actual combat unit (group buffs hooooooooooo).
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Well yeah, but I mean would it be better or worse than the current implementation?
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Well yeah, but I mean would it be better or worse than the current implementation?
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Why do you spread creep?
Your dudes move extra fast and your terran and toss opponents can't build on it.
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Why do you spread creep?
Your dudes move extra fast and your terran and toss opponents can't build on it.
Right, do creep tumors stay in place? Like if you throw them down at expos?
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Why do you spread creep?
Your dudes move extra fast and your terran and toss opponents can't build on it.
Right, do creep tumors stay in place? Like if you throw them down at expos?
After they build they are just tiny "burrowed" buildings.
I play Terran almost exclusively, and even I hate the "spawn larva" mechanic. It really, really should be an autocast ability.
But then I think unit production should be autocast-able as well, so maybe I have a weird perspective on this.
On an unrelated note, I really wish they'd go ahead and improve Terran mech. The marauder improvement means everyone's back to MMM since it's the only thing that works (besides banshees, actually). The problem is that the factory is absolutely useless right out of the box. In order to get any utility from hellions, you need to first build a tech lab and then research the long-ass infernal preigniters upgrade. Siege tanks of course need siege mode before you can get your money's worth (and require a tech lab to build anyway), and Thors not only require a tech lab but an armory besides.
The problem with mech builds is that they're too slow to be practical, with all that research and construction required up front. You really have to invest heavily in infantry to be effective with Terran right now, and once you've got such a large investment in MM it makes more sense to add medivacs and unit upgrades than to try to transition to mech.
Idk, the 1 queen per hatch + queen tether thing sound too arbitrary. Plus I like moving my queens way out to plant creep tumors. Which really sucks right now because they're so slow.
Why do you spread creep?
Your dudes move extra fast and your terran and toss opponents can't build on it.
Right, do creep tumors stay in place? Like if you throw them down at expos?
Creep tumors:
Spawned by the queen for 25 energy (why do you have energy!?)
Spread creep for about... 9ish range.
Are cloaked when they finish building.
Each creep tumor can spawn an additional creep tumor, that creep tumor can spawn a creep tumor, etc.
May only be built on creep.
Zerg can get pretty gas-heavy, so some kind of Queen ability where she improves gas harvesting would be sweet.
That's basically just a gas version of MULEs though.
How sweet would that be though seriously
only gas improving ability in the game
The thing is, that's just going to make 2 queens per base required
Edit: very nice arkan, but you may want to make that gold mineral patch the standard # of minerals. (I think it's 5 or 6 nodes)
edit: oh is that 2 gold xps next to each other? Hmmmm.
It's got the same number of resource sites as 2 gold expansions stacked.
It's also in a spot directly between both player's bases and it's very close to both of them; if someone can get a stable expo up there then they pretty much already have map control. It's not really a valid expo site so much as something for the players to fight over.
its worth it to just go ahead and build a bunker by the rock after you get some at your fast expo in my experience. even then youll only hang on through micro, its the nature of the build. expect to have to use your scvs at some point if he's trying to break in.
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How long does one usually have to wait to receive their beta key after pre-order?
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I did not see the mod confirm it.
The question is, are they patching all of the zerg/protoss macro nerfs or just the one thing that helped zerg?
Chill was the one who edited in that red text in the OP, and he posted on like page 2 basically telling everyone who was quick to flame him to stop being retarded and act civilized. He also told the dude to say who he is in future OPs so it's not just flamebait.
So I kinda suck at this game. Anyone have any ideas?
Basically, I have no idea how to go from point A to point B - do I attack them? Do I wait for them to attack me? Once I'm past tier 1, I'm pretty much lost as to how to build, and I kind of suck at micro.
I play Terran BTW.
Here's SC in a nutshell:
Micro, although important, generally does not win a game.
Macro wins the game.
It's all about economics. If you can out-expand your opponent you generally win. So basically, keep him contained in his base by countering what he's doing.
This is probably the best way to learn for starters... the high level styles like crazy micro and rushes that short games are made of require too much apm to be beneficial for someone that's just starting.
The key is to know what he (or she...) is up to all the time, and make something better.
Ive watched quite a few top tier matches where Micro won the day.
That wasn't his point. His point was learning the macro game for a new player.
Sure. In the highest of tiers, macro is a no-brainer. Everyone does it and does it well. It comes down to technical precision at that point. But he's not teaching the guy how to be a pro-gamer. He's teaching the guy how to have a general understanding of the big, core foundational mechanics of the game.
That is why I edited my response. If you can Micro at lower tiers you get that extra leg up on others. That is what I meant to say.
I really appreciate the response. I went home and played a few games over lunch, and I'm still absolutely terribad. I have a LOT to learn! I can't effectively use multiple types of units in a group - essentially my first inclination is to create a shitload of one type of unit and just zerg. That's a holdover from what I used to do in starcraft1 (on single player!), and I completely understand that is a total noob way to play, I just have to get out of that mindset...
Side question, how do I know when to attack as terran?
Basically, I think I have a fairly decent build order, but my problem is that once my army starts to get huge, I just keep building and building it up, and I wait for the enemy to attack me first. Should I always rush them once I get <x> number of marauders/thors/whatever?
Side question, how do I know when to attack as terran?
Basically, I think I have a fairly decent build order, but my problem is that once my army starts to get huge, I just keep building and building it up, and I wait for the enemy to attack me first. Should I always rush them once I get <x> number of marauders/thors/whatever?
That's a good way to start. Just set an arbitrary number up at first, like say you'll push out when you have 1 thor. Obviously don't make it too arbitrary though, and then keep adjusting when you push out after experimenting with it. For example, if you find that waiting to push out with 1 thor lets your opponent expand uncontested against your build maybe you should move out earlier.
Side question, how do I know when to attack as terran?
Basically, I think I have a fairly decent build order, but my problem is that once my army starts to get huge, I just keep building and building it up, and I wait for the enemy to attack me first. Should I always rush them once I get <x> number of marauders/thors/whatever?
That is what good scouting is for. Use a low resource quick unit to scout out the base(s) of your enemy.
How long does one usually have to wait to receive their beta key after pre-order?
I'll just say I'd guess it probably varies. So, custom map making is possible, but can people play those maps yet or no?
How long do you think it'll take before custom map games start arising?
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Well yeah, but I mean would it be better or worse than the current implementation?
I like my ideas from the last page better :P
Why do you spread creep?
Well you're a silly goose.
Your dudes move extra fast and your terran and toss opponents can't build on it.
Right, do creep tumors stay in place? Like if you throw them down at expos?
After they build they are just tiny "burrowed" buildings.
But then I think unit production should be autocast-able as well, so maybe I have a weird perspective on this.
On an unrelated note, I really wish they'd go ahead and improve Terran mech. The marauder improvement means everyone's back to MMM since it's the only thing that works (besides banshees, actually). The problem is that the factory is absolutely useless right out of the box. In order to get any utility from hellions, you need to first build a tech lab and then research the long-ass infernal preigniters upgrade. Siege tanks of course need siege mode before you can get your money's worth (and require a tech lab to build anyway), and Thors not only require a tech lab but an armory besides.
The problem with mech builds is that they're too slow to be practical, with all that research and construction required up front. You really have to invest heavily in infantry to be effective with Terran right now, and once you've got such a large investment in MM it makes more sense to add medivacs and unit upgrades than to try to transition to mech.
Also, I still think marauders are too good.
Creep tumors:
Spawned by the queen for 25 energy (why do you have energy!?)
Spread creep for about... 9ish range.
Are cloaked when they finish building.
Each creep tumor can spawn an additional creep tumor, that creep tumor can spawn a creep tumor, etc.
May only be built on creep.
It's got the same number of resource sites as 2 gold expansions stacked.
It's also in a spot directly between both player's bases and it's very close to both of them; if someone can get a stable expo up there then they pretty much already have map control. It's not really a valid expo site so much as something for the players to fight over.
But for some reason when I try and log in with my account, it says battle.net is down, but my brothers account can log in no problem.
What is going on here?
Edit: Assuming you know they will try to break through the back once they see your static front line.
They're fixing it today so don't worry your pretty head
Sensor tower?
You can also deconstruct your bunkers and build new ones on the back once you see them trying to bust in.
Is this for the new lava map? Just remember it takes them a while to get through 2 rocks.
If it's for that other desert map (can't remember the name for some reason). Maybe fast expand just isn't the best thing to be doing?
its worth it to just go ahead and build a bunker by the rock after you get some at your fast expo in my experience. even then youll only hang on through micro, its the nature of the build. expect to have to use your scvs at some point if he's trying to break in.
Exit the game and try again. Repeat until it lets you in almost instantly.
How de we know they're patching it today? I haven't seen any official notice...
Some dude with 2 posts on TL said so.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121167
Basically, editor from shacknews called Blizzard and got it confirmed they're looking for a hotfix today
Well that dude is also an editor of one of the biggest video game websites and was acknowledged as such by the TL mods so.... :P
I get this problem as well; not sure what the deal is. After a few attempts I can always log in, though.
The question is, are they patching all of the zerg/protoss macro nerfs or just the one thing that helped zerg?
Chill was the one who edited in that red text in the OP, and he posted on like page 2 basically telling everyone who was quick to flame him to stop being retarded and act civilized. He also told the dude to say who he is in future OPs so it's not just flamebait.
I really appreciate the response. I went home and played a few games over lunch, and I'm still absolutely terribad. I have a LOT to learn! I can't effectively use multiple types of units in a group - essentially my first inclination is to create a shitload of one type of unit and just zerg. That's a holdover from what I used to do in starcraft1 (on single player!), and I completely understand that is a total noob way to play, I just have to get out of that mindset...
Basically, I think I have a fairly decent build order, but my problem is that once my army starts to get huge, I just keep building and building it up, and I wait for the enemy to attack me first. Should I always rush them once I get <x> number of marauders/thors/whatever?
That's a good way to start. Just set an arbitrary number up at first, like say you'll push out when you have 1 thor. Obviously don't make it too arbitrary though, and then keep adjusting when you push out after experimenting with it. For example, if you find that waiting to push out with 1 thor lets your opponent expand uncontested against your build maybe you should move out earlier.
That is what good scouting is for. Use a low resource quick unit to scout out the base(s) of your enemy.
Uninstalled.
It seems you don't know what a beta is.
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I'll just say I'd guess it probably varies. So, custom map making is possible, but can people play those maps yet or no?
How long do you think it'll take before custom map games start arising?
Oh I do.
It's impossible to test anything. Why waste my time?
Blizzard isn't known for quick fixes against exploiters. Please see anything WoW related.
But... Your 5 losses to the glitchers was testing.