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Arizona: Giving Texas and Florida competition for dumbest state since 2010

KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
edited April 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
There's not enough forehead slapping pictures for this level of silly goosery.

Arizona House OKs Bill Requiring Presidential Candidates to Provide Birth Certificate

The Arizona House approved a bill Wednesday that would require presidential candidates to show his or her birth certificate in order to be on the state's ballot.


PHOENIX -- The Arizona House approved a bill Wednesday that would require presidential candidates to show his or her birth certificate in order to be on the state's ballot.

The House approved the measure on a 31-29 vote after four Republicans joined all of the Democrats in opposing it. The measure still faces a Senate vote.

It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the Arizona ballot to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

So-called "birthers" have contended since the 2008 presidential campaign that President Obama was born abroad, even after his official Hawaii birth certificate was made public along with birth notices that two Honolulu newspapers published in August 1961.

The Constitution says a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Skeptics suggest Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is fake and say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Supporters of the Arizona measure say it would help settle the controversy.

"I support this measure in order to remove this as any type of issue in the future," said Rep. Cecil Ash, R-Mesa.

Opponents say it's a waste of time that makes Arizona mocked by the rest of the country.

"I am ashamed that this is even a topic of discussion," said Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix.

The measure would require the secretary of state to review candidates' documents and withhold a candidate from the ballot if he has "reasonable cause" to believe ineligibility.

Courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility to be president, but the issue hasn't gone away.

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    PerpetualPerpetual Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

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    TracerBulletTracerBullet Spaceman Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Help settle the controversy? Seems to me when Obama showed his it did little to shut people the hell up. Someone needs to send the birthers a map with Hawaii circled saying "Hey guys, this, this right here? Yeah, it's ours."

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Dear Arizona,

    Please stop trying to cater to the lowest common denominator.

    Bringing yourself down to their level just encourages them to stoop even lower, and makes you look foolish in the process.

    Love,
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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2010
    On the upside, Hawaii has passed a bill allowing them to tell the birthers to fuck off.

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    OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    I dunno, Arizona has Arpaio as well. This is clearly a tighter race than some might believe.

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    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    By a mile, but apparently Arizona intends to give them some competition. Florida, meanwhile, isn't even in the top 5.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    By a mile, but apparently Arizona intends to give them some competition. Florida, meanwhile, isn't even in the top 5.

    Speaking of which, you're not going to let Rubio put is back into the running for dumbest state, are you?

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

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    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    By a mile, but apparently Arizona intends to give them some competition. Florida, meanwhile, isn't even in the top 5.

    Speaking of which, you're not going to let Rubio put is back into the running for dumbest state, are you?

    I did pledge last year to campaign for Crist if it ensured Rubio's defeat. I'm still waiting to see if he'll go independent before doing anything. Honestly, though, I think it'd be less of a nail-biter if Meek were to be king-maker in exchange for Crist's promise to caucus with Dems. Knowing the Dems, though, they'll take Crist's independent run as a a chance to have Meek steal the seat as the right leaning electorate tears itself apart. I don't think that this assessment of the race is realistic, but I wouldn't be sad if it happened.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    *breathes*

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    Of course not. They'll just claim it's fake. They'll never be satisfied, even if you could take them in a time machine to the Honolulu hospital and make them watch B-rock pop out of his mom's vagina.

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    KoolaidguyKoolaidguy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    Nope.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    Of course not. They'll just claim it's fake. They'll never be satisfied, even if you could take them in a time machine to the Honolulu hospital and make them watch B-rock pop out of his mom's vagina.

    "Nuh uh that's fake, that couldn't be obama being born, where's the soviet union theme and why isn't he holding a hammer and sickle?"

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    By a mile, but apparently Arizona intends to give them some competition. Florida, meanwhile, isn't even in the top 5.

    Speaking of which, you're not going to let Rubio put is back into the running for dumbest state, are you?

    I did pledge last year to campaign for Crist if it ensured Rubio's defeat. I'm still waiting to see if he'll go independent before doing anything. Honestly, though, I think it'd be less of a nail-biter if Meek were to be king-maker in exchange for Crist's promise to caucus with Dems. Knowing the Dems, though, they'll take Crist's independent run as a a chance to have Meek steal the seat as the right leaning electorate tears itself apart. I don't think that this assessment of the race is realistic, but I wouldn't be sad if it happened.

    There hasn't even been the Primary yet, let alone campaigning.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    are....you being serious?

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?

    Yeah but he's white

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?

    Yeah but he's white

    Yeah! Being white is awesome!

    *gives high fives to everyone in the room*

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?

    Yeah but he's white

    And not Kenyan, duh.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    are....you being serious?

    No I'm serious, when he shows his birth certificate proving that he's a muslim from mumbasa, kenya, will it shut them up? I mean I'd assume their heads would explode

    I wasn't being serious no, I was just briefly imagining a return to rationality in the US

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    From the state that brought you Joe Arpaio...

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2010
    Apparently homophobia and confederate pandering isn't enough to get Virginia even a mention.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Pfft New Mexico is beyond corrupt I really want to see how far they can fall and how many people they take with them later this year

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Allow me to put it this way: homophobia and confederate pandering are stupid, but not quite as far gone as "birther" pandering. Though, it's still not quite at the "truther" level of retardation. It's like going from "bigot" to "deranged".

    They're trying awful hard to get there, though.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Apparently homophobia and confederate pandering isn't enough to get Virginia even a mention.

    pfft they've only been at it a couple of months

    the rest have been at it for years

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    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Perpetual wrote: »
    I thought Oklahoma was winning the dumbest state competition?

    By a mile, but apparently Arizona intends to give them some competition. Florida, meanwhile, isn't even in the top 5.

    Speaking of which, you're not going to let Rubio put is back into the running for dumbest state, are you?

    I did pledge last year to campaign for Crist if it ensured Rubio's defeat. I'm still waiting to see if he'll go independent before doing anything. Honestly, though, I think it'd be less of a nail-biter if Meek were to be king-maker in exchange for Crist's promise to caucus with Dems. Knowing the Dems, though, they'll take Crist's independent run as a a chance to have Meek steal the seat as the right leaning electorate tears itself apart. I don't think that this assessment of the race is realistic, but I wouldn't be sad if it happened.

    There hasn't even been the Primary yet, let alone campaigning.

    I went into more length about it in the State and Local politics thread, but I covered the gist of it here, and the polling so far bears up to what I'm saying. Primary season begins May 1st, but Rubio's been campaigning since announcing last year. I desperately want Crist to go independent. It'll help bolster the meme about the GOP being far right and driving out moderates.

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.

    I've no problem with it besides being both reactionary and redundant. In fact I can pin a bunch more R's to it.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.

    I've no problem with it besides being both reactionary and redundant. In fact I can pin a bunch more R's to it.

    It's just a sign of absolutely retarded pandering

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.

    I'm pretty sure you have to file evidence that you're a natural-born citizen when you're running for President, but not for each individual state.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.

    And whoever said Florida wasn't in the top five most retarded states:

    Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Dude, it's so far into the #1 position that it's probably about to lap Texas.

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.
    It's an issue because it's born out of a desire to pander to/appease deranged conspiracy theorists.

    This is like writing a law that insists that the next time we go to the Moon that the astronauts hold up a big sign that's visible via backyard telescopes so that we can all confirm that they aren't making shit up.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    are....you being serious?

    No I'm serious, when he shows his birth certificate proving that he's a muslim from mumbasa, kenya, will it shut them up? I mean I'd assume their heads would explode

    I wasn't being serious no, I was just briefly imagining a return to rationality in the US

    A return to rationality?

    During which year(s) was the US rational? I would really like to know.

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.
    For whatever reason it showed up, it will affect all Presidential candidates equally. This isn't going to a burden on Obama any more than it will be a burden on any white candidate running for office.

    From what I've read, this has been a blind spot in State electoral laws. Up until now, no one has been required to show documentary proof of their NBC status. Whatever the looniness of the Birther movement, laws like this are a good idea.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.
    For whatever reason it showed up, it will affect all Presidential candidates equally. This isn't going to a burden on Obama any more than it will be a burden on any white candidate running for office.

    From what I've read, this has been a blind spot in State electoral laws. Up until now, no one has been required to show documentary proof of their NBC status. Whatever the looniness of the Birther movement, laws like this are a good idea.
    Why? What good are laws like this doing, exactly?

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Modern Man wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.

    And whoever said Florida wasn't in the top five most retarded states:

    Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Dude, it's so far into the #1 position that it's probably about to lap Texas.

    If nothing else, at least Obama has given us a window into exactly how racist this country still is.

    Hint: Very/extremely racist.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Drez wrote: »
    So if this actually sticks and Obama shows them his long form birth certificate in 2012 will it finally shut them up?

    are....you being serious?

    No I'm serious, when he shows his birth certificate proving that he's a muslim from mumbasa, kenya, will it shut them up? I mean I'd assume their heads would explode

    I wasn't being serious no, I was just briefly imagining a return to rationality in the US

    A return to rationality?

    During which year(s) was the US rational? I would really like to know.

    well, relative rationality, for the United States.

    the mid 1990s?

    Politics of the US and the public discussion have always been plagued with goosery, but today we have a veritable storm of goose shit flying from all directions

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Drez wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Modern Man wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.

    And whoever said Florida wasn't in the top five most retarded states:

    Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Dude, it's so far into the #1 position that it's probably about to lap Texas.

    If nothing else, at least Obama has given us a window into exactly how racist this country still is.

    Hint: Very/extremely racist.
    If by "this country," you mean "the South," then yes.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Modern Man wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't apply to Arizona senators. What was John McCain's deal again? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone a few months before the Zone was considered American enough to be born there and still be considered American?
    McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone. Doesn't really matter, someone born to two American citizen parents is an American citizen from birth, regardless of where he's born.

    Not sure why people have an issue with this Arizona law. I'm actually surprised that laws like this weren't on the books already.
    Because it has only come up when we have a black president. How many white presidents were people insisting show their birth certificates? Because, you know, black people can't be real Americans unless they can show their bona fides; white people just obviously are American.

    And whoever said Florida wasn't in the top five most retarded states:

    Ahahahahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Dude, it's so far into the #1 position that it's probably about to lap Texas.

    If nothing else, at least Obama has given us a window into exactly how racist this country still is.

    Hint: Very/extremely racist.
    If by "this country," you mean "the South," then yes.

    Sadly, the south is like 50% of the country. Maybe more. I mean Alaska is basically in the south. Even though it's not.

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Arizona is "the South" now?

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