Here are my build orders that I am currently using, I am still modifying them to suit my needs:
The end goal is to have a balanced army of speedlings/roaches/hydras/infestors.
ZvP: Modified Lalush Build:
10 overlord
10 spawning pool
13 queen
15 ling x3
#immediately be aggressive with lings
18 overlord
18 gas
20 hatch
#if aggression with lings reveals a possible push, drop 1 or 2 Spine Crawlers at expo
#if 2gate, delay lair and drop a roach warren to get roaches to not die.
25 lair @at 100 gas, research metabolic boost @once Lair is 50% drop Gas
25 overlord @once Lair is done, drop Hydralisk Den then Infestor Pit
ZvZ: Generic Ling Aggression Build:
10 overlord (+ gas trick)
13 pool
15 gas
14 overlord
14 queen
16 ling x 3
19 baneling nest @at 100 gas, research ling speed @once you have 4 banelings produced, drop evo and research melee 1
#If you spot a roach warren after aggression, drop a ton of Spine Crawlers at your main. All-in counter attack is coming.
ZvT: FE into Aggression (still working on it)
10 overlord (+ gas trick)
14 hatchery
13 pool
14 overlord
14 queen
16 ling x 3
19 gas
EDIT: I want to learn Terran! Someone gimme a hoot, Revenant.revenant
Survived a 6 pool on incineration zone, then a prolonged hide-the-photon cannons-in-your-base cheese on Steppes of War. After so many regular games, my heart rate wasn't ready for this kind of excitement. Still, surviving cheese feels so good.
Speaking of which, does anyone else find that 6-pool in SC2 is not as bad as 4-pool in SC1? It seems easier, somehow. Perhaps zerglings are weaker, relatively.
Speaking of which, does anyone else find that 6-pool in SC2 is not as bad as 4-pool in SC1? It seems easier, somehow. Perhaps zerglings are weaker, relatively.
I am fairly sure that zerglings are a bit weaker yes, but roaches more then make up for it I think.
Upgraded roaches are pretty fantastic, especially for harassing terran.
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I gave in to the dark side and went for mass marauders against a rank 12 platinum Protoss player. I beat the living hell out of him; it was kind of sad. A few ghosts for EMP and vikings for AA, and just pump marauders from five barracks.
Oh, and I finally have an account of my own. Not that great, probably around bronze rank.
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Can anyone point me to, or throw out, a basic zerg build order? I know it varies based on several factors, but just a general idea to work with. I want to start playing Zerg, but in limited testing, doing an initial order anything like my regular Protoss is not good.
Check out Team Liquids site, they got a good wiki with a couple Zerg builds I use:
Fast Expand, good on larger maps:
10 - Overlord
15 - Spawning Pool
16 - Expansion Hatchery
10 Pool, good on smaller maps
10 - Spawning Pool
10 - Overlord
12-14 - Zergings, go attack
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Tynnanseldom correct, never unsureRegistered Userregular
edited April 2010
I've been having fun with a no gas fast expand in TvP, followed by a four rax marine>marauder push with a few vikings. Works especially well on Lost Temple and Steppes of War.
In unrelated news, I have yet to play on Incineration Zone. Huh.
If anyone reading this desires a Beta Key, gimme a PM. I can't currently think of anyone IRL who would want one.... Assuming that remains the case, I'll give it to whomever here amuses me the most. Or just asks first, or whatever.
I'm assuming there are still people here in need of a key?
Except roaches aren't nearly as cool or fun to use as zerglings.
I was cleaning up my builds and I realized that I pretty much stopped using zerglings in ZvP and ZvT... I just used the extra minerals to expand more often.
Aghhhhhh. 10ish straight losses today. This is what happens when you don't play for 2 days. Everything you learned is gone, and you lose to absolutely horrible builds. This game can be so infuriating sometimes.
I'm assuming there are still people here in need of a key?
Oh yes. I've been living off an iv of livestreams the last week and would love to play the game in the beta if anyone has a spare key and no one to give it to. I just want to run an army of banelings into the first thing I see to be honest.
So I don't know if anyone's mentioned this (because I'm sure this affects about 2% of all the people interested in SC), but the client is now available for Macs. If you have a beta key, you can use it to get access to the Mac client. I have one, and am currently in the process of DLing it.
With that said, I'm experiencing incredibly shitty download speed. It got to 500mb in about 20 minutes, now it's taken me like 5 minutes to download 1 megabyte. The connection info says I'm downloading at a speed of 8kb/s and i'm not downloading anything else. It says "no probelms with connection". Anyone know what gives?
So I got 3 IRL friends who want a beta key and I only have two to spare. I don't want to lose a friend any time soon, so can anyone spare me a beta key? I will return you the key after a week since I intend to pre-order the game once my paycheck goes through.
So I don't know if anyone's mentioned this (because I'm sure this affects about 2% of all the people interested in SC), but the client is now available for Macs. If you have a beta key, you can use it to get access to the Mac client. I have one, and am currently in the process of DLing it.
With that said, I'm experiencing incredibly shitty download speed. It got to 500mb in about 20 minutes, now it's taken me like 5 minutes to download 1 megabyte. The connection info says I'm downloading at a speed of 8kb/s and i'm not downloading anything else. It says "no probelms with connection". Anyone know what gives?
Anyone want to play with/against me, silver (finally got demoted) level protoss here. I wouldn't mind obsing some better players too if no one wants to play?
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I'm assuming there are still people here in need of a key?
Oh yes. I've been living off an iv of livestreams the last week and would love to play the game in the beta if anyone has a spare key and no one to give it to. I just want to run an army of banelings into the first thing I see to be honest.
Send him a PM, stat, PWK :P I want to beat up on MerchI's former CEO in SC2.
I already shamelessly did. After watching some of the stuff hd and husky have been putting out I'm pretty much a crack addict to this game without even playing it.
I already shamelessly did. After watching some of the stuff hd and husky have been putting out I'm pretty much a crack addict to this game without even playing it.
Tell me about it, I've been in the same boat as you...
So I got 3 IRL friends who want a beta key and I only have two to spare. I don't want to lose a friend any time soon, so can anyone spare me a beta key? I will return you the key after a week since I intend to pre-order the game once my paycheck goes through.
If you preorder from Gamestop you only need to put down five bucks. Roll a die to see who doesn't get it then tell them to preorder it :P
I just had the weirdest sc2 match of my career so far. Blistering sands opponent is random and ends up as protoss, I get a good MMM ball going with some thors after a couple early skirmishes and attack and destroy his base but lose most of my forces to DTs before I scanned and my main command center to void rays. I knew he took the NW island earlier and he built a giant turtle with cannons and warpgates everywhere. He flies warpprisms around attacking my expos and building his own as I slowly get siege tanks to blow a space to land clear and medivacs and maurauders. I probably could have ended the game earlier but I was nervous about the d-day and it was just so ridiculous I wanted to see what he would do next.
second game i paid him back by denying his expo so hard by pooping creep on his expo, and when he finally killed my overlord, repeatedly corrupting his expo so it couldn't make SCVs
Had a rockin' 2v2 with randoms. And by rockin' I mean I fucking owned that shit. My ally was pretty good but got hit hard by air rushes and I had to help him out with Hydras. Our opponents kept making marines and void rays to mess with my ally and I kept pumping saving him and expanding. Eventually, my teammate broke the backdoor rocks to the terran and did a Baneling bombardment on his supply/mineral line and literally crippled him for the rest of the game. He had 1 burning CC with an SCV building just in time to repair it.
After that I Nydus'd the Protoss and dumped like 100 cracklings into their bases. Felt good seeing the results after that. Also a good way to end the night.
Nazacra and I just had two back to back wins in 2v2. Definitely a good way to end the night. The first was a little shaky, but the second was a solid win.
You should be able to watch them both from my livestream, I'm adding them to the rotation right now.
Ugh, the upgraded range on infestors is such a pain in the ass. Against a good zerg colossi tech will get shut down by that.
I'm still trying to figure out what composition I should go for in a massive macro game against zerg. Zealots start to just melt when they get a critical mass of hydras and roaches.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Ah, I'm happy to finally be in the beta. Played a bunch this evening; I think I have two matches to go before I finish placement.
Quick question: just how useful is the Nexus' Chrono Charge? I couldn't quite tell if I was giving my buildings meth or if it just felt like it.
Extremely? It cuts off a couple of seconds to the build/cooldown of any building you use it on.
It'll even cut the cooldown of warpgates if you use it on them.
You should use it often.
I use it exclusively for probes and research, myself. That way I have some saved so I can use it on emergency backup units.
It's 50% faster build time for 20 seconds. So yea, it's useful.
Using it on your first few Zealots is a great idea. Once you get a couple nexus' up, Chain Chronoboosting Colossi or carriers, whatever is killer, on top of a pile of warpgates (8-10) = serious unit production.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited April 2010
Crono boost is the reason why protoss has such a ridiculous mineral economy at the start of the game.
Just pumping out those workers so fucking fast.
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Man, 2v2 is nowhere near as fun as 1v1. It's very hard to harass anyone in a 2v2 unless you have extremely good communication with your ally and you're at similar skill levels. Otherwise it turns into you harassing by yourself and losing since you've got two opponents to react to it. It seems that every game starts with a build-up, then a decisive battle and that's that. The larger size of the maps doesn't help either (and my crappy processor severely limits my ability to enjoy or even participate in a late-game macro fest).
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EDIT: I want to learn Terran! Someone gimme a hoot, Revenant.revenant
I also might have a beta key to give away, should I choose someone from the OP list or have people PM me
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for some reason AVAST! running causes me to be unable to launch SCII through steam. Don't have a damn clue why.
i wish i wasn't so afraid of them teching air, or i'd go straight up cracklings son
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Neva.ling
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Check out Team Liquids site, they got a good wiki with a couple Zerg builds I use:
10 - Overlord
15 - Spawning Pool
16 - Expansion Hatchery
10 Pool, good on smaller maps
10 - Spawning Pool
10 - Overlord
12-14 - Zergings, go attack
In unrelated news, I have yet to play on Incineration Zone. Huh.
I'm assuming there are still people here in need of a key?
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I was cleaning up my builds and I realized that I pretty much stopped using zerglings in ZvP and ZvT... I just used the extra minerals to expand more often.
I feel so dirty
Oh yes. I've been living off an iv of livestreams the last week and would love to play the game in the beta if anyone has a spare key and no one to give it to. I just want to run an army of banelings into the first thing I see to be honest.
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Battle.net: Pmoney.thereal
With that said, I'm experiencing incredibly shitty download speed. It got to 500mb in about 20 minutes, now it's taken me like 5 minutes to download 1 megabyte. The connection info says I'm downloading at a speed of 8kb/s and i'm not downloading anything else. It says "no probelms with connection". Anyone know what gives?
So I got 3 IRL friends who want a beta key and I only have two to spare. I don't want to lose a friend any time soon, so can anyone spare me a beta key? I will return you the key after a week since I intend to pre-order the game once my paycheck goes through.
go to options and uncheck peer to peer
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Send him a PM, stat, PWK :P I want to beat up on MerchI's former CEO in SC2.
Tell me about it, I've been in the same boat as you...
If you preorder from Gamestop you only need to put down five bucks. Roll a die to see who doesn't get it then tell them to preorder it :P
first game i got owned by a surprise MMM drop
second game i paid him back by denying his expo so hard by pooping creep on his expo, and when he finally killed my overlord, repeatedly corrupting his expo so it couldn't make SCVs
was good times
After that I Nydus'd the Protoss and dumped like 100 cracklings into their bases. Felt good seeing the results after that. Also a good way to end the night.
Quick question: just how useful is the Nexus' Chrono Charge? I couldn't quite tell if I was giving my buildings meth or if it just felt like it.
You should be able to watch them both from my livestream, I'm adding them to the rotation right now.
www.livestream.com/ThePmoney
360 : ThePmoney
Battle.net: Pmoney.thereal
I'm still trying to figure out what composition I should go for in a massive macro game against zerg. Zealots start to just melt when they get a critical mass of hydras and roaches.
Extremely? It cuts off a couple of seconds to the build/cooldown of any building you use it on.
It'll even cut the cooldown of warpgates if you use it on them.
You should use it often.
I use it exclusively for probes and research, myself. That way I have some saved so I can use it on emergency backup units.
It's 50% faster build time for 20 seconds. So yea, it's useful.
Using it on your first few Zealots is a great idea. Once you get a couple nexus' up, Chain Chronoboosting Colossi or carriers, whatever is killer, on top of a pile of warpgates (8-10) = serious unit production.
Just pumping out those workers so fucking fast.