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Want To Be A [Birther] In The Military? Hope You Like Making Little Rocks
AngelHedgie
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...out of big ones.
The Army has finally decided that enough is enough, and is now court-martialing a birther officer that refuses to deploy.
It's about fucking time. And I have a feeling that after this, you're going to see the membership of the odious "Oath Keepers" group dwindle as the people in it suddenly realize that they are putting their freedom, career, and pension on the line. As for the doctor - sure, he's getting used, but you'd think that being a doctor, he would have been smarter.
The Army has finally decided that enough is enough, and is now court-martialing a birther officer that refuses to deploy.
The Army filed formal changes against Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a military physician who refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he believes President Barack Obama hasn't proven that he was born in the U.S.
The decision to initiate potential court-martial proceedings against Col. Lakin represents a line in the sand for the Army, which declined to discipline a pair of officers who raised similar questions last year about Mr. Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as commander in chief.
Chuck Dasey, a spokesman for Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, said Col. Lakin was being charged with three counts of disobeying a lawful order and one count of dereliction of duty. If found guilty, Col. Lakin could be kicked out of the Army, forced to give up his retirement benefits and jailed for up to four years.
Col. Lakin and his attorney didn't respond to phone messages or emails seeking comment. In a statement released through the foundation raising money for his legal-defense fund, the officer said he was prepared to press his case in court.
"I invited my court martial, and today I stand ready to answer these charges," Col. Lakin said. "I was prepared to deploy if only the president would authorize the release of the proof of his eligibility. He refused, and now the court will determine the issue, and my fate."
It's about fucking time. And I have a feeling that after this, you're going to see the membership of the odious "Oath Keepers" group dwindle as the people in it suddenly realize that they are putting their freedom, career, and pension on the line. As for the doctor - sure, he's getting used, but you'd think that being a doctor, he would have been smarter.
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Also, your avatar goes so well with the post, "I am ... dissapointed.".
That's pretty awesome.
Yes, there is.
No, it's not nearly as awesome as you think, as her picture is next to the definition of batshit insane.
And yes, all the jokes, image macros, etc. have been done to death already. Please don't resurrect them.
I hope they throw the book at him, partially because what he is doing is absolutely ridiculous, and partially because when you join the military, you are nothing more than a tool for the government with very little say in how your life operates and every 18 year old kid who is thinking of signing up needs to know that so he can make an informed decision.
Well, she didn't found it so much as ran away with it, deep into dark, insane places.
Not really, she's just one of the more prominent people trying to cash in on it. Last I heard, one of the courts fined her $20,000 for abusing the court system.
She is a dentist/real estate agent/lawyer, no fooliin'!
(I don't know what's wrong with you people, there was only one correct answer to that). Actually, I think it’ll be kind of nice to have this out in court, if they really do argue the Obama birth angle instead of the judge dismissing that argument on the grounds that he is the sitting Commander-in-Chief and any question of that legitimacy would have to be a separate trial.
I mean, does any legal entity actually have the power to compel a sitting president to show his birth certificate to the public?
Well this will go to Military court and they're a bit different. Though I have my doubts that they'd make it easier to challenge the validity of your superior officer's credentials.
The scary thing is that being a doctor does not necessarily require smarts, but instead a good capacity for memorization. Now, to be a good doctor, that requires smarts.
As for this guy, I hope he gets court-martial'ed up the rear.
There was a great SMBC strip I wish I could find that basically pointed out that being an expert in one area doesn't mean ANYTHING AT ALL about the validity of your opinions in unrelated areas.
The state of Hawaii would tell the judge he's a fucking moron and the matter would be settled.
In the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario to come out of this case, Obama's birth certificate would be presented, and it would be over.
That is why the birther thing is all so idiotic.
what does that mean?
Originally "Conservative" meant resistant to or cautious of Change. Which is fine, and can keep a government in check when it tries to overextend itself.
Now it means "Republican".
So... yeah.
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neither of those answers are exactly right.
I was looking for jokerman to give an in-context explanation, though
It means that there's a large amount of right wing politics ingrained into the millitary at a base level, ESPECIALY if you're an Officer. If you vote democrat, and you let other people know, then you can pretty much expect not to become higher then Captain.
why? how long has it been this way?
partisanship goes directly against what the military stands for. if it has infected the ranks of the military, then something obviously needs to be done to purge it.
I can't tell you how long it's been like that, only that somewhere along the way thats the way it became. If I could be so bold as to stereotype, I imagine a large part of it is that the crowd the millitary draws skews right since liberals seem to be anti-fighting, pacifist (Although in the past ten years I dont know if there's any truth to that).
Keep in mind that it's nothing official that makes Lib's in the Millitary a minority, it's just the prevailing attitude of the majority. The Millitary is one of the few remaining boy's clubs left in America, and the Brass is made up of the most stuffy white men imaginable.
What planet have you guys been on? Its been that way since like forever and its not a US thing either. In every country I know of the Millitary is a bastion of conservative politics. Maybe not in the crazy batshits Air Force Evangelicals, but its there.
Its the basic nature of the millitary: if you sign up to kill or die for something you must really like it the way it is.
Oh man, the Air force is the fucking worse. Nothing against any Airmen who may post here, as I consider the peers here to be above this level of goosey, but when I was on a shuttle to MEPS to sign my final contract with the army and ship off, I witnesed something that made me question if i should have ever tried.
[Passenger Van packed full of Future Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and two Goosenozles joining the Airforce]
The PASSENGER VAN passes homeless man on INTERSTATE ONRAMP holding up sign saying NEED HELP WITH FOOD AND SHELTER. The man looks to be aged considerably, and is missing half of his left leg.
AFGOOSE1: [Rolls down window] GET A JOB YOU BUM!
AFGOOSE2: [Hi Fives other AF Douchegoose] Hah, Well said Brosef. That guy's probably not even homeless
AFGOOSE1: Yeah he probably drove there in a BMW.
AFGOOSE2: My friend in college did that for money so he wouldn't have to get a job.
Me: [Tired of trying to drown out the Goosery] You guys DID realize he didn't have a leg, right? You seriously think he was faking an Amputation just so he could get some change on some interstate onramp and live in a bunch of boxes? He could even be a vetaren man, that could be any one of us in a couple of years.
AFGOOSE1: Whatever man, that guy just wants to game the system and not pull himself up by his bootstraps.
Me: I can't believe we're on the same side. It boggles the fucking mind.
END SCENE
True story, every word was spoken.
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Seriously...bootstraps?? Wtf?
The funniest part about it all? He was a birther. And he kept talking about how Obama wasn't even black.
That is pretty terrifying. But having now watched Generation Kill I find it more believable than I once would have
In a normal court, I believe the defense would roll their eyes and present the certificate that has been presented over and over again. The court has no power to say "yeah well, I don't believe that official document, get me another!" without serious evidence showing it to be a fake.
In a court martial, I'm not 100%, but I think it's entirely up to the good doctor to prove he has evidence that the President is not legitimate, it's up to him to prove the order is illegal, not up to the military to prove that it was. Plus, I think he's jumping a few levels of the chain of command by going "oh yeah, all your orders are illegal because the POTUS isn't legal!"
Basically, the guy is completely fucked. He lacks any form of leg to stand on.
Not sure if that's what they were saying, though.
B. I think you mean "biracial with white and something else = something else".
C. Quite a few black people in the US have non-black ancestry, so Obama is not particularly unusual in this.
A.) Yeah, it's important that Obama self-identifies as black, and I think we should let people determine for themselves what race they are. However,
B.) This is the problem, and more or less what I was trying to say. It's basically a legacy of the one-drop rule.
I don't feel like derailing the thread with this, though.
Yeah, I believe that self identification is the main determination of identity that I am comfortable with. I sort of feel a little uncomfortable with detailed definitions of racial or ethnic identity. I was in Spain's primary museum dealing with all things American, which as you'd expect is pretty damm awesome, given their role in European conquest and colonisation of those continents. Anyway, there was a gallery of paintings from the early 19th century that set out the various racial classifications, which were based on where one's parents were from, what ancestry they had and what colour they were. Pretty spooky stuff