So if you haven't checked it out recently, go look at the Grimoire Nier link I posted at the top of the page again. They finished translating the developer interview and a few weapon short stories. The interview is the really interesting part.
So, to make sure I'm not wasting hours here, Stopped Clocks DO really drop from the adult-sized shades with a bunch of circles draped on their chest and back for armor, who have just a sword, right?
Cause man, they are really, really not dropping Stopped Clocks for me. I can't think of anything else that'd be called "sword shade" but I want to triple check.
They are absolutely trolling you, those sidequests are terrible. If you get to 51% though before you finish the first half you can get 100% at any time. You can't do any first half quests in the second half though except for fishing. One tip, always check the material shops for the quests. I forgot about the one in Seafront so I actually got natural rubber on my own and later found out I could have just bought it.
They are absolutely trolling you, those sidequests are terrible. If you get to 51% though before you finish the first half you can get 100% at any time. You can't do any first half quests in the second half though except for fishing. One tip, always check the material shops for the quests. I forgot about the one in Seafront so I actually got natural rubber on my own and later found out I could have just bought it.
i've never gotten 1000 points in any game i've played, i would have to be high to 100% this
like, i'm growing some wheat for yonah cuz she's the sweetest jrpg girl since nanako, but fuck gardening besides
Getting 1000 in Nier is kinda dumb anyway, since you have to make the Lunar Tear. Which requires several days real time to get if you don't change your system clock. Not to mention it's really boring to make.
I got 1000....and still wanted to play the game....needs more dlc.....need another reason to play it...
But as a side note it took me about 88 hours to do everything. Thats what was on my file anyways before I had to horrifically delete it for that ending. Oh and the speed run was another 6 or 7 hours. So expect around 100 hours to do everything.
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"You're like a kitten! A kitten who doesn't speak Japanese." ~ Juliet Starling
also, i think people are too hard on the game's graphics
it's simplistic, yes, and the bloom has probably caused me permanent retinal damage, but i think this has sealed it for me that i just don't care that much about how pretty a game looks if it's compelling enough
the few hours i've played of nier are something i'd take over a piece of hi-res day-glo crap like FFXIII any day
Nier is really something special. While the gameplay and graphics have their flaws, the story and characters make it a very unique experience. In addition to that, once you beat the game all four times and start reading about the timeline and backstory it adds multiple layers of depth to everything. Like after I've read everything
*Mega spoiler on the last boss*
It makes me kind of clench up to see Nier kill the Shadowlord. You see him pause and right in that moment you can see humanity's future, and then it just gets shattered. You just want to go "No, stop! Don't do it! You're dooming everybody!"
Also if you want sidequest dialogue then make sure to focus on the fish quests and a quest line where you're helping a guy get started on a trade business in Seafront. Those are the best quests for dialogue.
also, after reading all the horror and woe that the new game+ brings, i have this unsettling feeling it will involve the reversed speech that the shades give after they die
I got 1000....and still wanted to play the game....needs more dlc.....need another reason to play it...
But as a side note it took me about 88 hours to do everything.
dear god
i don't usually put that much time into good games, let alone "mediocre, but interesting" ones
though the latter are becoming more precious than the former in today's market
the only reason i'd want to keep taking the sidequests is to hear weiss and nier chat, because that is some solid gold scriptwriting
This game absolutely addicted me to no end and I dont know why. Maybe the amazing story they had or somehow the combat? Certainly not the graphics, but I dont even care cause they look fine to me but. I dont know. It's odd but this game just pulled at the strings of a game I've always wanted and I just could not stop playing it.
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"You're like a kitten! A kitten who doesn't speak Japanese." ~ Juliet Starling
This game is a love letter to gamers. The whole thing is full of nods to other genres, specific games, mechanics, etc. To a lifelong gamer who has played a wide variety of games, it's full of little delights. That's a big part of what made me love the game.
That and the fact that the story has balls. It's not that I can't stand stories that are fairy tales and happy endings; I just vastly prefer ones where losses happen, and to accomplish something you have to fucking go through work and sacrifice, instead of just following the yellow brick road to the end dungeon, killing the personification of all evil, and living happily ever after.
Stories in which the world demonstrates a certain cruelty to everyone in it seem more realistic to me, I guess, as a pessimist.
when i kill a certain enemy 50 times and i get two of its super-rare drops before getting the one common drop i need to mod my weapon then the warlock who designed your RNG needs to be burned at the fucking stake
i don't know why i let this game keep punishing me
Found out I farmed the wrong type of "sword shade" for about... 8 hours.
On the bright side, I am now a master of upgrading, and have only the adorably easy speedrun to do, to finish my platinum.
Honestly you shouldn't worry too much about farming for upgrade materials for your weapons unless you're using the Phoenix Spear, AKA the best weapon in the game, or going for 1000/1000. Enemies aren't really hard enough to need it, ever, that I noticed. Magic goes a long way.
It doesn't really spoil anything apart from confirming that Drakengard is canon, but if you're too low level in the later sections the big shades will just kill you instantly. I think I tried at level 34 or something and in the final part of the DLC I got one-shotted by the very last guy. I would say try it either after your first runthrough or after the second. You should definitely be able to do it after your second run.
Edit: Okay reading some of the lines from the DLC again, it is a little bit spoilery if you actually know what it's talking about. It's pretty cryptic though. Just to be safe, don't do it until at least after the first run.
This game is a love letter to gamers. The whole thing is full of nods to other genres, specific games, mechanics, etc. To a lifelong gamer who has played a wide variety of games, it's full of little delights. That's a big part of what made me love the game.
That and the fact that the story has balls. It's not that I can't stand stories that are fairy tales and happy endings; I just vastly prefer ones where losses happen, and to accomplish something you have to fucking go through work and sacrifice, instead of just following the yellow brick road to the end dungeon, killing the personification of all evil, and living happily ever after.
Stories in which the world demonstrates a certain cruelty to everyone in it seem more realistic to me, I guess, as a pessimist.
Yeah when I figured everything out on my second run and was just going through and watching the new scenes I felt so damn sad and actually had teared up in one scene and nearly in a couple others. The story is freaking excellent and the 2nd playthrough makes this game perfect.
When everything finally comes together and you put the whole game together the story is a treat and whenever my friend saw me playing I'd just be like "Just wait until YOU play it man...."
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"You're like a kitten! A kitten who doesn't speak Japanese." ~ Juliet Starling
so i've gotten to the junk heap for the B playthrough
and so far i'm...underwhelmed
i thought the SotC comparisons were spot-on, because by the second half of the game you get the strong feeling that you are doing evil things without particularly caring why - i honestly thought that by the end of the game i had slaughtered jacob's mother and the former king of facade reincarnated as shades, because it was obvious that they were more intelligent than they looked and the wolf shade looked awfully forlorn as he died even though he'd just munched on fyra
instead it's turning out to be a series of hi-laaaarious misunderstandings that just so happen to make you the biggest dick in the universe, with text screens about kaine thrown in
though when i read tyrann's dialogue, before learning his name, i swear my fucking heart skipped a beat because i thought she'd somehow been possessed by the vengeful shade of Caim and oh god he's like the king badass of cavialand
the whole ending sequence was fantastic, though, especially the battle with popola and devola, which smacked HUGELY of The Big O, right down to the dilapidated theatre setting and the reveal about nier's identity
also, about a certain character in the junk heap
fuck you, gideon
fuck you times a thousand
times a million
you were a whiny little shit as a child and then you got your brother's much more tolerable ass killed and started a campaign of revenge against a little kid and his pet robot because you couldn't suck up and take responsibility, and then you just turn into a gibbering lunatic
my weapons don't deserve to be fondled by your dopey little robot hand
i think i've given up on weapon upgrading, it's just too much joyless effort
i've got the phoenix spear, it ought to carry me through
The phoenix spear, especially upgraded to max, is more weapon than you'll ever reasonably need.
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
He did do that actually, but it was the other Nier that did it. The reason the Shadowlord kidnapped Yonah was so that the real Yonah could have a body because he was tired of being jerked around. He was told that they'd find a cure for the black scrawl if he became the shade to keep all others in check, and after 1000 years he decided to take some action. He knew this would cause problems as well, but he really didn't care.
The phoenix spear, especially upgraded to max, is more weapon than you'll ever reasonably need.
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
nier and drakengard spoilers
caim is constantly referred to by other characters as a remorseless, sociopathic hate engine who lives for nothing but murder
in other words, he's the kind of person who would genuinely enjoy killing over two thousand people, and given the fact that his mute interactions consist mostly of waiting to murder something or kicking someone in the head, it's probably canon
he gets better in ending A, but in ending E he fights off a horde of mutant babies and gives a giant god-mother an abortion by headbutting his dragon into it, so he'd probably still be raring and ready to go if he hadn't been struck by a fucking missile
The phoenix spear, especially upgraded to max, is more weapon than you'll ever reasonably need.
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
nier and drakengard spoilers
caim is constantly referred to by other characters as a remorseless, sociopathic hate engine who lives for nothing but murder
in other words, he's the kind of person who would genuinely enjoy killing over two thousand people, and given the fact that his mute interactions consist mostly of waiting to murder something or kicking someone in the head, it's probably canon
he gets better in ending A, but in ending E he fights off a horde of mutant babies and gives a giant god-mother an abortion by headbutting his dragon into it, so he'd probably still be raring and ready to go if he hadn't been struck by a fucking missile
There is a sort of connection with Caim, but it's referenced only in a loading screen and in the backstory.
The leader of the WCS army is known as Legion, and he's a bloodthirsty monster in the form of a human. The government was never able to confirm the presence of a human on the dragon they shot down, only that they thought they saw one. Considering that Caim considered the dragon a friend and they used the dead body for tons of experiments, and that Caim isn't exactly above revenge.....
The phoenix spear, especially upgraded to max, is more weapon than you'll ever reasonably need.
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
nier and drakengard spoilers
caim is constantly referred to by other characters as a remorseless, sociopathic hate engine who lives for nothing but murder
in other words, he's the kind of person who would genuinely enjoy killing over two thousand people, and given the fact that his mute interactions consist mostly of waiting to murder something or kicking someone in the head, it's probably canon
he gets better in ending A, but in ending E he fights off a horde of mutant babies and gives a giant god-mother an abortion by headbutting his dragon into it, so he'd probably still be raring and ready to go if he hadn't been struck by a fucking missile
Ending B-D, Drakengard 1 and 2 spoilers
Oh, I certainly agree that Caim's a remorseless hate and murder engine, in fact, that's close to how I'd describe him. The difference I felt was that Caim always seems fairly humorless and grim. He enjoys the fuck out of killing things, sure, but he's not the type to be witty or sarcastic or making quips or giving people ironic nicknames. Once he's done having fun killing things, I'd imagine his thoughts are on the next time he gets to do it, and how he can get there faster, if possible.
So basically, even darker than Tyrann. Tyrann at least has some sense of humor. I always saw Caim as someone with an all consuming bloodlust. Which is what makes him so goddamn awesome. And scary.
Seriously in Drakengard 2 when I had to fight him I was frightened as hell. I'm glad he's basically the hardest boss in the game. He deserves it.
And Gilder, not above revenge? Motherfucker's all over that shit.
The phoenix spear, especially upgraded to max, is more weapon than you'll ever reasonably need.
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
What I like about the fact that you find out that you're essentially screwing up humanity's only hope is that Nier is, in my mind, determined enough that even if he had known, he still would've done it, to save his Yonah. Now, that's incredibly selfish, but I see his single-mindedness as an interesting characteristic.
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
nier and drakengard spoilers
caim is constantly referred to by other characters as a remorseless, sociopathic hate engine who lives for nothing but murder
in other words, he's the kind of person who would genuinely enjoy killing over two thousand people, and given the fact that his mute interactions consist mostly of waiting to murder something or kicking someone in the head, it's probably canon
he gets better in ending A, but in ending E he fights off a horde of mutant babies and gives a giant god-mother an abortion by headbutting his dragon into it, so he'd probably still be raring and ready to go if he hadn't been struck by a fucking missile
Ending B-D, Drakengard 1 and 2 spoilers
Oh, I certainly agree that Caim's a remorseless hate and murder engine, in fact, that's close to how I'd describe him. The difference I felt was that Caim always seems fairly humorless and grim. He enjoys the fuck out of killing things, sure, but he's not the type to be witty or sarcastic or making quips or giving people ironic nicknames. Once he's done having fun killing things, I'd imagine his thoughts are on the next time he gets to do it, and how he can get there faster, if possible.
So basically, even darker than Tyrann. Tyrann at least has some sense of humor. I always saw Caim as someone with an all consuming bloodlust. Which is what makes him so goddamn awesome. And scary.
Seriously in Drakengard 2 when I had to fight him I was frightened as hell. I'm glad he's basically the hardest boss in the game. He deserves it.
And Gilder, not above revenge? Motherfucker's all over that shit.
ok, yeah, you have a point there
i think i was spoiled by The Dark Id's LP of drakengard
it kind of overwrote my perception of that character
okay, just did the desert portion of my B run and this is getting kind of hard to put up with
the hi-laaaaarious misunderstanding in this one is so obvious, but the brutality of it still made me wince
i haven't had the showdown in the den yet, but the shadewolf's desperation really complements the king's misery and shows that no one is winning in this situation
but i think the worst part of it is, there would be the barest chance that things could have turned out alright. a tiny, miniscule, barely-visible possibility that the shadewolf could've swallowed its rage, gathered its survivors, and tried to peacefully enter the village and bear its assault until someone noticed something was amiss and gave them a chance to realize what they were doing
a tiny, but nonzero chance...if it wasn't for you
because Nier and his ragtag band of well-meaning killing machines is a total guarantee that the shades will never, ever find peace, because even if all of humanity joined them he still wouldn't stop killing
i think that ending D might be a good idea, because by the time i'm done here i think i'm going to want to be erased from existence
okay, just did the desert portion of my B run and this is getting kind of hard to put up with
the hi-laaaaarious misunderstanding in this one is so obvious, but the brutality of it still made me wince
i haven't had the showdown in the den yet, but the shadewolf's desperation really complements the king's misery and shows that no one is winning in this situation
but i think the worst part of it is, there would be the barest chance that things could have turned out alright. a tiny, miniscule, barely-visible possibility that the shadewolf could've swallowed its rage, gathered its survivors, and tried to peacefully enter the village and bear its assault until someone noticed something was amiss and gave them a chance to realize what they were doing
a tiny, but nonzero chance...if it wasn't for you
because Nier and his ragtag band of well-meaning killing machines is a total guarantee that the shades will never, ever find peace, because even if all of humanity joined them he still wouldn't stop killing
i think that ending D might be a good idea, because by the time i'm done here i think i'm going to want to be erased from existence
That's just how the game is I'm afraid. They never said you had to like Nier, only that you play as him. Theres a reason the story is so damn tragic. The fact youre even thinking of ways things could have been resolved says that what they did worked. Story = awesome.
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"You're like a kitten! A kitten who doesn't speak Japanese." ~ Juliet Starling
okay, just did the desert portion of my B run and this is getting kind of hard to put up with
the hi-laaaaarious misunderstanding in this one is so obvious, but the brutality of it still made me wince
i haven't had the showdown in the den yet, but the shadewolf's desperation really complements the king's misery and shows that no one is winning in this situation
but i think the worst part of it is, there would be the barest chance that things could have turned out alright. a tiny, miniscule, barely-visible possibility that the shadewolf could've swallowed its rage, gathered its survivors, and tried to peacefully enter the village and bear its assault until someone noticed something was amiss and gave them a chance to realize what they were doing
a tiny, but nonzero chance...if it wasn't for you
because Nier and his ragtag band of well-meaning killing machines is a total guarantee that the shades will never, ever find peace, because even if all of humanity joined them he still wouldn't stop killing
i think that ending D might be a good idea, because by the time i'm done here i think i'm going to want to be erased from existence
That's just how the game is I'm afraid. They never said you had to like Nier, only that you play as him. Theres a reason the story is so damn tragic. The fact youre even thinking of ways things could have been resolved says that what they did worked. Story = awesome.
Honestly, I personally believe that Nier's utter despicable situation and nature is part of what makes the story so profound. He truely is an alarmingly horrible man, and I love that.
So, we bought and played Nier, but didn't complete play through 2 as it was depressing, but it's bugging me, can someone spoil the plot line for:
The shadow wolf in facade
Please.
It's the soul of a dog that was living on for its master or something, and it wanted to live together with the humans in peace, no matter how much the other wolves didn't want to. The people from Facade killed a bunch of them before the wedding so the wolves couldn't disturb it and that pissed the leader off enough that he made them all attack. It's really not as heart-wrenching as the others, because for creatures that wanted to live in harmony they sure did attack you in the first half.
So, we bought and played Nier, but didn't complete play through 2 as it was depressing, but it's bugging me, can someone spoil the plot line for:
The shadow wolf in facade
Please.
It's the soul of a dog that was living on for its master or something, and it wanted to live together with the humans in peace, no matter how much the other wolves didn't want to. The people from Facade killed a bunch of them before the wedding so the wolves couldn't disturb it and that pissed the leader off enough that he made them all attack. It's really not as heart-wrenching as the others, because for creatures that wanted to live in harmony they sure did attack you in the first half.
yeah, but you also saw the shadewolf calling them back in the first half, too
they're wild carnivorous animals who live in a fucking desert, they must be half-crazed for hunger no matter how hard shadewolf tries to keep them in check
and then a bunch of rube soldiers stage an unprovoked attack on their den and he's forced to choose his kin over his ideals, and he gets a spear in the eye for his trouble
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Cause man, they are really, really not dropping Stopped Clocks for me. I can't think of anything else that'd be called "sword shade" but I want to triple check.
i've really gotta stay away from the sidequests
i can feel cavia trolling me, and they find my tears delicious
i've never gotten 1000 points in any game i've played, i would have to be high to 100% this
like, i'm growing some wheat for yonah cuz she's the sweetest jrpg girl since nanako, but fuck gardening besides
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But as a side note it took me about 88 hours to do everything. Thats what was on my file anyways before I had to horrifically delete it for that ending. Oh and the speed run was another 6 or 7 hours. So expect around 100 hours to do everything.
dear god
i don't usually put that much time into good games, let alone "mediocre, but interesting" ones
though the latter are becoming more precious than the former in today's market
the only reason i'd want to keep taking the sidequests is to hear weiss and nier chat, because that is some solid gold scriptwriting
it's simplistic, yes, and the bloom has probably caused me permanent retinal damage, but i think this has sealed it for me that i just don't care that much about how pretty a game looks if it's compelling enough
the few hours i've played of nier are something i'd take over a piece of hi-res day-glo crap like FFXIII any day
*Mega spoiler on the last boss*
Also if you want sidequest dialogue then make sure to focus on the fish quests and a quest line where you're helping a guy get started on a trade business in Seafront. Those are the best quests for dialogue.
it's like cavia carefully and lovingly designed every non-vital aspect of this game to make you suffer
i got the nameless blade up to level 4 and that's all i'll do
the upgrades don't even make them look cooler!
EVEN DRAKENGARD GOT THAT PART RIGHT
no one tell me if i'm wrong or right
Upgrading weapons does, in fact, change their model and texture.
Usually pretty subtly, but in some cases it's pretty extreme.
Sadly there isn't much of a way to review past forms, so people tend to forget.
This game absolutely addicted me to no end and I dont know why. Maybe the amazing story they had or somehow the combat? Certainly not the graphics, but I dont even care cause they look fine to me but. I dont know. It's odd but this game just pulled at the strings of a game I've always wanted and I just could not stop playing it.
That and the fact that the story has balls. It's not that I can't stand stories that are fairy tales and happy endings; I just vastly prefer ones where losses happen, and to accomplish something you have to fucking go through work and sacrifice, instead of just following the yellow brick road to the end dungeon, killing the personification of all evil, and living happily ever after.
Stories in which the world demonstrates a certain cruelty to everyone in it seem more realistic to me, I guess, as a pessimist.
this makes cavia two for two on likable kid characters
then i remember they made drakengard, the most pathologically anti-child game in history, and i am filled with unspeakable dread
when i kill a certain enemy 50 times and i get two of its super-rare drops before getting the one common drop i need to mod my weapon then the warlock who designed your RNG needs to be burned at the fucking stake
i don't know why i let this game keep punishing me
On the bright side, I am now a master of upgrading, and have only the adorably easy speedrun to do, to finish my platinum.
Honestly you shouldn't worry too much about farming for upgrade materials for your weapons unless you're using the Phoenix Spear, AKA the best weapon in the game, or going for 1000/1000. Enemies aren't really hard enough to need it, ever, that I noticed. Magic goes a long way.
speaking of which, is there a good time to do the DLC?
what i mean is, does it spoil anything particularly important?
Edit: Okay reading some of the lines from the DLC again, it is a little bit spoilery if you actually know what it's talking about. It's pretty cryptic though. Just to be safe, don't do it until at least after the first run.
Yeah when I figured everything out on my second run and was just going through and watching the new scenes I felt so damn sad and actually had teared up in one scene and nearly in a couple others. The story is freaking excellent and the 2nd playthrough makes this game perfect.
When everything finally comes together and you put the whole game together the story is a treat and whenever my friend saw me playing I'd just be like "Just wait until YOU play it man...."
and so far i'm...underwhelmed
instead it's turning out to be a series of hi-laaaarious misunderstandings that just so happen to make you the biggest dick in the universe, with text screens about kaine thrown in
though when i read tyrann's dialogue, before learning his name, i swear my fucking heart skipped a beat because i thought she'd somehow been possessed by the vengeful shade of Caim and oh god he's like the king badass of cavialand
the whole ending sequence was fantastic, though, especially the battle with popola and devola, which smacked HUGELY of The Big O, right down to the dilapidated theatre setting and the reveal about nier's identity
also, about a certain character in the junk heap
fuck you times a thousand
times a million
you were a whiny little shit as a child and then you got your brother's much more tolerable ass killed and started a campaign of revenge against a little kid and his pet robot because you couldn't suck up and take responsibility, and then you just turn into a gibbering lunatic
my weapons don't deserve to be fondled by your dopey little robot hand
i think i've given up on weapon upgrading, it's just too much joyless effort
i've got the phoenix spear, it ought to carry me through
It makes bosses too easy, even in playthrough 1.
As for your spoilered comments...
I'm not sure how you could mistake the characterization of Tyrann for Caim's, but I suppose how you view Caim as a character is incredibly relative, given that he has basically no dialogue. I think he's awesome, just in a different way than Tyrann.
And yes, Gideon is a huge fucking douche, and I would honestly enjoy the opportunity to murder him in DLC or somesuch. This is something I think just about everyone can agree on.
nier and drakengard spoilers
in other words, he's the kind of person who would genuinely enjoy killing over two thousand people, and given the fact that his mute interactions consist mostly of waiting to murder something or kicking someone in the head, it's probably canon
he gets better in ending A, but in ending E he fights off a horde of mutant babies and gives a giant god-mother an abortion by headbutting his dragon into it, so he'd probably still be raring and ready to go if he hadn't been struck by a fucking missile
There is a sort of connection with Caim, but it's referenced only in a loading screen and in the backstory.
Ending B-D, Drakengard 1 and 2 spoilers
So basically, even darker than Tyrann. Tyrann at least has some sense of humor. I always saw Caim as someone with an all consuming bloodlust. Which is what makes him so goddamn awesome. And scary.
Seriously in Drakengard 2 when I had to fight him I was frightened as hell. I'm glad he's basically the hardest boss in the game. He deserves it.
And Gilder, not above revenge? Motherfucker's all over that shit.
ok, yeah, you have a point there
i think i was spoiled by The Dark Id's LP of drakengard
it kind of overwrote my perception of that character
And I do mean perfected.
I don't remember if I perfected....I know I certainly tried and I put godly amounts of hours into that game but...hm...wish I could check.
i haven't had the showdown in the den yet, but the shadewolf's desperation really complements the king's misery and shows that no one is winning in this situation
but i think the worst part of it is, there would be the barest chance that things could have turned out alright. a tiny, miniscule, barely-visible possibility that the shadewolf could've swallowed its rage, gathered its survivors, and tried to peacefully enter the village and bear its assault until someone noticed something was amiss and gave them a chance to realize what they were doing
a tiny, but nonzero chance...if it wasn't for you
because Nier and his ragtag band of well-meaning killing machines is a total guarantee that the shades will never, ever find peace, because even if all of humanity joined them he still wouldn't stop killing
i think that ending D might be a good idea, because by the time i'm done here i think i'm going to want to be erased from existence
That's just how the game is I'm afraid. They never said you had to like Nier, only that you play as him. Theres a reason the story is so damn tragic. The fact youre even thinking of ways things could have been resolved says that what they did worked. Story = awesome.
Honestly, I personally believe that Nier's utter despicable situation and nature is part of what makes the story so profound. He truely is an alarmingly horrible man, and I love that.
gretel is a parent to the defective shades
P33 is a parent to the young shade
shadewolf cries for his "father" before he dies
and the shadowlord goes without saying
and then there's the shade children and their caretaker who form the boar shade
also, what the hell, is there anything stronger in this game than emil's optimism?
Please.
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they're wild carnivorous animals who live in a fucking desert, they must be half-crazed for hunger no matter how hard shadewolf tries to keep them in check
and then a bunch of rube soldiers stage an unprovoked attack on their den and he's forced to choose his kin over his ideals, and he gets a spear in the eye for his trouble