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I fail at the future. By which I mean HD.
SimBen
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I was excited about getting my Wii component cables in the mail, I'd seen the comparison screenshots and everything, I was like "Wow, can't wait for my games to look so much crisper! 
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I mean, I have component input on the back of my TV, so I thought hey, there's no reason for it not to display progressive scan, right?
Oh so wrong. My TV has component but no 480p, as I just found out today when I received my cables. I got this TV last spring with my tax return, and I thought it was fucking sweet, it was so much better than the one I had before, and I've never had any trouble with it. But now I realize the future has caught up with me ONCE AGAIN and I'll have to shell out for an HDTV (a reasonably-priced one, no 40'' 1080p monster) when I get my NEXT tax return.
Apparently component DOES improve on composite a little bit though, so I guess it's not a total waste of money. I haven't really noticed a difference so far, but I've mostly just browsed the Wii menus in frustration after realizing 480p didn't work so far.
As Rich Gallup said on one of the Gamespot podcasts: "Why is the future all about being an A/V nerd?" Well, I fail at being one, that's for certain.
Anyone else completely exasperated at that whole HD thing? Am I the only one who's already feeling old by thinking it was better when I was a kid and I had my SNES plugged in through an RF switch? I'm only 22 years old, I'm too young to whine.
"I mean, I have component input on the back of my TV, so I thought hey, there's no reason for it not to display progressive scan, right?
Oh so wrong. My TV has component but no 480p, as I just found out today when I received my cables. I got this TV last spring with my tax return, and I thought it was fucking sweet, it was so much better than the one I had before, and I've never had any trouble with it. But now I realize the future has caught up with me ONCE AGAIN and I'll have to shell out for an HDTV (a reasonably-priced one, no 40'' 1080p monster) when I get my NEXT tax return.
Apparently component DOES improve on composite a little bit though, so I guess it's not a total waste of money. I haven't really noticed a difference so far, but I've mostly just browsed the Wii menus in frustration after realizing 480p didn't work so far.
As Rich Gallup said on one of the Gamespot podcasts: "Why is the future all about being an A/V nerd?" Well, I fail at being one, that's for certain.
Anyone else completely exasperated at that whole HD thing? Am I the only one who's already feeling old by thinking it was better when I was a kid and I had my SNES plugged in through an RF switch? I'm only 22 years old, I'm too young to whine.
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Guess what, Kingdom Hearts was still a good game for me.
adn you're totally sure your tv isnt an EDTV
I used to think RF was great too, even had it split so the Genesis and NES were hooked up at the same time. That was so cool!
I agree about the HD thing, it's annoying to have to know so much if you just want a nice TV that works with everything you own. I know it's all obvious to some but it can be frustrating.
Wow, ADD much? Just forgot your train of thought right in the middle of a word, didn't you.
And yes I'm sure, because progressive wouldn't screw up the image and make it look like a 3D IMAX movie without the goggles if it was.
Wow, some people in this thread are kind of critical of thread titles aren't they?
Either way, good luck to ya. I finally made the plunge for an HD-TV, though mine is probably a "lowend" one. It's an Olevia 32" LCD. Got a sweet deal on it at Circuit City. It is leaps and bounds better than my old TV, which is pretty much similar to what Delzhand has.
Okay okay, fine, there you go.
Yeah, the Wii doesn't do HD anyways so it's no reason to get a new TV.
Do not listen to this man. If your options are to buy a new tv or to not buy a new tv the right choice is always to buy a new tv. The reason doesn't matter.
Seriously, though. I really just wanted to ask Sim what his obsession with purple is.
I've heard (and seen) some bad things, even when using component cables. It depends on the set actually. Yours might be able to handle it but people with cheaper TVs, lcds and plasmas especially might not fair too well.
It depends how well your HDTV scales up 480p content. Mine is awful at it. SD TV shows are bearable, but the intricate textures on games get messed up a little bit. The games still look OK (as long as I turn off noise reduction), but not as good as on an EDTV/SDTV.
A HDTV is still a good purchase. Just make sure you get one that scales SD content well. A lot of cheap TVs don't.
At least that's how I understand it thus far.
THEN, you have to find out what resolutions it's capable of. Does it have component, etc?
This is why stuff like the I-Pod sells, it's simple. They need to make a simple HD-TV.
Sorry, it's just when we went to get our HD-TV, it was like blood in the water for employees of various stores.
I was once like you. Then I spent like, 3 hours researching HDTVs using Google.
I now laud my knowledge over normal men and Best Buy employees can no longer hold sway over me.
Like I said, we need simple HD-TVs. 2 packages maybe, in simple boxes that have the name on them. One is lower resolution, one is a bigger one with the higher resolution. Both come with the cables needed for HD (not crappy cables), and should be able to play SD fairly well.
Come on Apple... Get into it, you'd make a killing!
HDTVs for retards.
Yep, they sure would sell a lot.
My 10-year-old, 27" Sony Trinitron TV (with S-Video, bitches!) is starting to age, but I'm holding on to it for as long as possible because the vast majority of my content is still SD. That's the main killer for a lot of people, I think -- legacy content, plus the fact that different TVs respond in different ways.
Anyone willing to spend $1000+ and not research their purchases gets no sympathy from me.
If you have a big living room, a big TV rules. I don't, my 27" is great, and I care more about getting the new Johnny To flick from Hong Kong or Odoru Daisousasen spin-off from Japan on DVD than the number of vertical fucking lines on my screen.
I once went into a Best Buy and asked if they could show me a side-by-side comparison of a regular DVD image and an upconverted one. He told me that he had just such a demo handy, and then showed me some clip of Phantom Menace that allegedly showed the difference. The "upconverted" side looked nice. The "non-upconverted" side had been doctored to make the colors blander and the contrast off, and also choppy, for some reason. In hindsight, I should've told him that I'm not a fucking idiot, and that I knew that he was trying to play me, but I settled for not buying from them and getting my player online.
As to the OP, I recall ten years ago when I had my SNES, Genesis, and NES hooked up in a chain of RF switches. Yeah, I enjoyed it, and I can still enjoy games that are ugly. But squeezing out every drop of awesome visual quality from my 360 just gives me a new level on which to appreciate the games. Instead of being fun and cool looking, they're fun, cool looking, and insanely crisp and clear. Same with digital audio and 5.1 surround. It's not necessary, but it's icing on the cake.
Whoever said HDTV always equals "big?"
See, the problem is this. There are alot of people who, as far as consumer electronics go, don't want to learn. For decades, all people have had to know about TVs is how large they are. Who the fuck knew what resolution their TV ran in?
Now, with this massive wealth of information flooding in, with all the competing formats, all the average consumer cares about is whether or not the dude at Best Buy thinks their set is going to make 24 look shit hot through HD Cable.
That's what she said
While playing SSBM one day, I was Ganondorf and I spontaneously exclaimed "MY FOOT IS ON PURPLE AND NOW YOU'RE ON PURPLE" when I hit my friend with Down+B. It was one of those really hilarious SSBM moments when you had to be there. It became a running gag of sorts (along with related quotes like "Mewtwo is the only other master of Purple, the others aren't evil enough).
Yeah, well it was last Spring, the HDs were a bit more expensive than they are now, and I was buying it (along with a ton of games) with my fat tax return. It was only 200$ and I thought it was a bargain, considering my previous TV was non-flat, had only one extra input and no stereo. I just wanted to upgrade to something "acceptable" as opposed to "crappy", and the only stuff I wanted to plug into it were my GC, PS2 and standard cable. Now I'd really like some progressive on my Wii, plus it'd be nice to future-proof myself a bit (I intend to move in with my girlfriend next summer, so we're looking into buying necessities for when we'll have a family), and I'm gonna get a 360 sooner or later anyway, which I hear looks like total crap on SD. So yeah, a small-ish HDTV (far from rich here) would hit the spot nicely.
I still don't trust "upconversion." You can't just take something that has 480 lines of resolution and magically make it HD by doubling some lines. You would laugh if someone tried that in Photoshop with a still image, so what sort of voodoo makes it possible with a DVD?
Dear Guy:
If you can't tell the difference between 480i composite and 480i component, you aren't going to be able to tell the difference between 480i component and 480p component because you are fucking blind.
I too have a TV with component inputs but no pro-scan, and I can tell you that my games look light-years better over component, despite the lack of progressive scan.
Most people associate HDTV with "big" regardless of the fact that they are mutually exclusive properties of television sets. You can have a 15" HDTV or a 60" SDTV, but when the HDTV craze started to build up steam, Best Buy and other retailers definitely pushed the "HDTV = Bigger = BETTER!" shtick.
To be fair, that makes sense anyway. I think the standard family TV size before the HDTV boom hit was between 20-27" on average.
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The idea is having the DVD player blow up the image looks a lot better than having the image stretched out by your HDTV.
Think of it this way: Double the size of an image in Photoshop (upconverting DVD-Player), or in MS Paint(your HDTV). Which way would you go?
It's 720p but it's also small so it can easily fit in my room. I want that.
Welll, I've played a couple hours of Smooth Moves on it now, and yeah, it does look crisper; I couldn't really tell with the Wii menus because there's not much there to wow you. I should try putting in the gorgeous classics (RE4, TP, Metroid Prime+Echoes) to see if I'm really wowed.
Easiest way is with an lcd monitor and the vga cable. the 360 looks amazing on my dell 2005fpw
What I really needed was someone to just out right say what was better then what. Like, even a simple S-Video > Progressive Scan > 720p = 1080i > 1080p would have been perfect.
You got you greater than signs wrong. Should be less than.
It will never be that simple. People will always disagree. Hell, there a lot of people who insist that certain older games look BETTER with composite than with component because component "reveals graphical flaws" (this may be true, in a sense, but it is more "accurate" which is what should count).
More like
Coax/RF < Composite < S-Video < Component < 480p < 720p < 1080i < 1080p < 2160p (digital cinema) < 4320p (UHDV/Super Hi-Vision)
That's exactly the type of TV I'm thinking of getting for my room. My room is small (I have to sit/stand on my bed (which is actually just a mattress on the floor) to play games) and what I've seen of those TVs easily blows away what I have now (20'' CRT).
I wouldn't mind one of those myself. With a little rearrangement, a 15" or so LCD display would 'look' a good bit larger than my 27 incher on the other side of the room, and a 20 incher like on my computer here....
Well that'd just be gorgeous.