So, let's talk about Star Wars Galaxies

Original Rufus

This all does seem rather sketchy.

If nothing else, it's an interesting project that sends a positive message to SOE about the direction the game was heading, albeit briefly.

I need a sequel built from scratch with some fresh blood dammit.

randombattle

Original Rufus wrote:

This all does seem rather sketchy.

If nothing else, it's an interesting project that sends a positive message to SOE about the direction the game was heading, albeit briefly.

I need a sequel built from scratch with some fresh blood dammit.

It isn't though. They are basically creating the server code from scratch. Absolutely nothing illegal or sketchy about it.

Now Sony may not like it but it really against the law or anything.

Kriz

if I understand correctly, that project requires that the user install the actual game anyway, so its not like they're distributing the game itself.

on top of that, I don't think they're even distributing binaries, only the source code.

wookieeArmour

it's not illegal.
though it's against the swg eula.

so you could be banned from playing the real game.

but who gives a shit about that.

TimTheSloth

This game was amazing. If the dev team wasn't absolutely retarded this would be as big as WoW. This game was insanely buggy for the entire time I played it and intead of fixing the bugs they insisted on bringing in new content (The vehicles were pretty necessary though).

Neva

TimTheSloth wrote:

This game was amazing. If the dev team wasn't absolutely retarded this would be as big as WoW. This game was insanely buggy for the entire time I played it and intead of fixing the bugs they insisted on bringing in new content (The vehicles were pretty necessary though).

I think the community was more to blame for that. The most vocal usually gave the stupidest feed back and suggestions. So about 80% of the player base.

Der Waffle Mous

wookieeArmour wrote:

it's not illegal.
though it's against the swg eula.

so you could be banned from playing the real game.

but who gives a shit about that.

I dunno, I think there's some DMCA-related issues that could come up, unlike UO freeshards which DO have some semblance of legitimacy because T2A/Renaissance version of the client doesn't have any provisions for these kinds of things.

randombattle

Neva wrote:

TimTheSloth wrote:

This game was amazing. If the dev team wasn't absolutely retarded this would be as big as WoW. This game was insanely buggy for the entire time I played it and intead of fixing the bugs they insisted on bringing in new content (The vehicles were pretty necessary though).

I think the community was more to blame for that. The most vocal usually gave the stupidest feed back and suggestions. So about 80% of the player base.

Stupid devs + stupid fanboys = doom



As said the only recourse that could happen from a fan server is getting banned from the normal ones.

There isn't any legal groundwork for them to do anything else.

wookieeArmour

only an idiot would blame the fans for the fiasco of SWG. If SOE couldn't have a vision and enforce it, if they couldn't think of ways to channel positive feedback.............then they deserve the failure they got.

sure lots of fanbois had bad ideas, but when you have 1000s of people playing you have to learn how to sort through them all.

blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creators.

Original Rufus

wookieeArmour wrote:

only an idiot would blame the fans for the fiasco of SWG. If SOE couldn't have a vision and enforce it, if they couldn't think of ways to channel positive feedback.............then they deserve the failure they got.

sure lots of fanbois had bad ideas, but when you have 1000s of people playing you have to learn how to sort through them all.

blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creators.

There's an interesting dichotomy in the fact that while Galaxies had the best, most friendly and helpful userbase I've ever encountered, it also had the biggest contingent of whiney bitches.

I do agree that the developers should shoulder the blame for the disasterous turns the game has taken, but the rabble of loud short sighted idiots didn't help.

I'll say this though. Players who went Jedi? Assholes. Though they tended to be showboating dicks at every possible turn, so help you if they knew you were hunting them. Whereas other players were cool and reasonable about their place in the Galaxy, the much pampered Jedi had a very low opinion of anyone who saw fit to collect 250k on their asses.

Lots of "OMG WTF ur banned from my citi" was heard.

Der Waffle Mous

Original Rufus wrote:

wookieeArmour wrote:

only an idiot would blame the fans for the fiasco of SWG. If SOE couldn't have a vision and enforce it, if they couldn't think of ways to channel positive feedback.............then they deserve the failure they got.

sure lots of fanbois had bad ideas, but when you have 1000s of people playing you have to learn how to sort through them all.

blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creators.

There's an interesting dichotomy in the fact that while Galaxies had the best, most friendly and helpful userbase I've ever encountered, it also had the biggest contingent of whiney bitches.

I do agree that the developers should shoulder the blame for the disasterous turns the game has taken, but the rabble of loud short sighted idiots didn't help.

I'll say this though. Players who went Jedi? Assholes. Though they tended to be showboating dicks at every possible turn, so help you if they knew you were hunting them. Whereas other players were cool and reasonable about their place in the Galaxy, the much pampered Jedi had a very low opinion of anyone who saw fit to collect 250k on their asses.

Lots of "OMG WTF ur banned from my citi" was heard.

Hence why during the days of the CU when they streamlined armor, I never, ever wore a tag if I could help it. I still got preemptively banned from a handfull of cities because I had the dubious distinction of wearing heavy rebel armor while carrying a Carbine.

Being that the only classes that were allowed to wear heavy armor were Bounty Hunters, Commandos, and Squad Leaders, while the elite marksman professions got light, or in the case of carbineer, medium armor. As a commando, carrying a carbine wouldn't do me any good, and really, who bothered with the Squadleader profession, awesome looking special pistol notwithstanding?


On the other hand, the one time I did decide to take a jedi bounty mission (that wasn't currently hiding on Kashyyk, mind you), he turned out to be a pretty cool dude, who let me have a non-DB rematch after I failed and called it off.

Neva

wookieeArmour wrote:

only an idiot would blame the fans for the fiasco of SWG. If SOE couldn't have a vision and enforce it, if they couldn't think of ways to channel positive feedback.............then they deserve the failure they got.

sure lots of fanbois had bad ideas, but when you have 1000s of people playing you have to learn how to sort through them all.

blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creators.

Well yeah, alot of the blame lies with them, cause they bent to what a bunch of wieners wanted. If you ever took a glance at the forums, you would see what I mean.

Zephos

if anyone still plays this i have 6 months free that i'll never use. really dont feel like activating my account again. hit me up with a PM, i'll get ya the codes.

Der Waffle Mous

Zephos wrote:

if anyone still plays this i have 6 months free that i'll never use. really dont feel like activating my account again. hit me up with a PM, i'll get ya the codes.

is anyone that masochistic?

Archonex

Original Rufus wrote:

wookieeArmour wrote:

only an idiot would blame the fans for the fiasco of SWG. If SOE couldn't have a vision and enforce it, if they couldn't think of ways to channel positive feedback.............then they deserve the failure they got.

sure lots of fanbois had bad ideas, but when you have 1000s of people playing you have to learn how to sort through them all.

blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the creators.

There's an interesting dichotomy in the fact that while Galaxies had the best, most friendly and helpful userbase I've ever encountered, it also had the biggest contingent of whiney bitches.

I do agree that the developers should shoulder the blame for the disasterous turns the game has taken, but the rabble of loud short sighted idiots didn't help.

I'll say this though. Players who went Jedi? Assholes. Though they tended to be showboating dicks at every possible turn, so help you if they knew you were hunting them. Whereas other players were cool and reasonable about their place in the Galaxy, the much pampered Jedi had a very low opinion of anyone who saw fit to collect 250k on their asses.

Lots of "OMG WTF ur banned from my citi" was heard.

God, I hated that. I was one of the big jedi head-hunters on Bria for a very long time. I'm pretty sure I was banned from about half of the cities in the game by the time the NGE rolled around and I finally quit. That being said, I had so much money from slaying Jedi left and right that I probably could have bought a couple of those cities for myself if I could have bribed/paid the right people. The entire jedi thing, from bountys to jedi themselves was so hilariously broken it wasn't even funny. A single jedi kill could often net you quite a bit of cash, enough to furnish yourself with a decent gun, or armor.

What makes this even worse is that in order to get a bounty put on your head you have to do something really crazy stupid, like run into Bestine (One of/the biggest NPC city in regards to active imperial players.) and take out your lightsaber and start hacking stormtroopers/players apart. So it's not like the people who got killed had a right to complain.

Der Waffle Mous

What I really, truly hated was that at any given moment, about 95% of a given server's jedi population was on Kashyyk, because the Bounty Hunter probe droids didn't work there.

lowlylowlycook

WHY wrote:

What I really, truly hated was that at any given moment, about 95% of a given server's jedi population was on Kashyyk, because the Bounty Hunter probe droids didn't work there.

How hard would it be to make that effect temporary, so that a jedi could go there for a break from being hunted but eventually the empire would catch up to you anyhow? This is an extreme case of MMO's being far to static for their own good.

Archonex

lowlylowlycook wrote:

WHY wrote:

What I really, truly hated was that at any given moment, about 95% of a given server's jedi population was on Kashyyk, because the Bounty Hunter probe droids didn't work there.

How hard would it be to make that effect temporary, so that a jedi could go there for a break from being hunted but eventually the empire would catch up to you anyhow? This is an extreme case of MMO's being far to static for their own good.

I'd say it was more of a matter of laziness on SOE/Smedley/Torres part, actually. Why SOE hasn't fired them is beyond me. Maybe it's pity, seeing as how no other company in their right mind would hire the two of them unless they were looking to do PR damage control (Horizons:Empires of Istaria, maybe? ).

Kazhiim

Oh god.

SWG still remains the best MMO I've ever played, to this day. I know I played for over half a year straight at one point in time, and I probably played more than a year when you count reactivations.

I played on one of the low/mid-pop servers, Valcyn, and so I didn't see the massive numbers of jedi a lot of other people saw. Granted, I did see Jedi, but they were rarely the douchebag holocron grinders most people hated.

I was a Rifleman. I got a Tenloss early on when they were introduced from one of the best crafters on the server before they removed item decay, and goddamned if I didn't treasure that thing. I killed a mandalorian, solo, and I couldn't loot the corpse. I was an enormous fatass for the majority of my career. I resisted composite armor for so long... so long. And then composite + doc buffs made you invincible, so I gave in.

I became a BH + rifleman so I could hunt jedi, before they fucked up the whole BH system. I remember hunting down a jedi knight in his guild city, ambushing him while his guild watched us fight. He pleaded for me to spare him, for a million credits. I took the money, and killed him anyway. And the funny thing? He was civil about it, and I was too.

I really did love that game.

Bloods End

Kazhiim wrote:

I became a BH + rifleman so I could hunt jedi, before they fucked up the whole BH system. I remember hunting down a jedi knight in his guild city, ambushing him while his guild watched us fight. He pleaded for me to spare him, for a million credits. I took the money, and killed him anyway.

You know at that point Fett, or Fenn Shysa has to come out of somewhere and offer you a position as a Mandolorian.

wookieeArmour

i have to admit that wow never captured the frantic feeling of pvp that SWG did.

that you could be blasted from out of nowhere.

Kazhiim

This was also before they made the gun specials gun specific- any competent marksman had level three on one of the pistoleer trees, for some shot I don't remember right now. This was when Teras Kasi artists were considered the only real threat to jedi above padawan, so even I was amazed when I had the guy down in a corner.

Neva

You were civil about killing a guy after he gave you a million credits not to?

thorpe

Neva wrote:

You were civil about killing a guy after he gave you a million credits not to?

Any piece of Tatooine scum can blast away at you with some laser bolts indiscriminately.

Real class is surgically removing the opponent's ability to fight back, and then offering fine conversation as he slowly bleeds to death.

TheKoolEagle

i miss oldschool swg, serioulsy one of the best mmos i 've played.

I was an artisan/pikeman but ran around with my artisan tag on, people would request duels ALL THE TIME. I would accept and throw all my composite armor on and whip out the vibro axe. Oh, they got the death blow.

Neva

TheKoolEagle wrote:

i miss oldschool swg, serioulsy one of the best mmos i 've played.

I was an artisan/pikeman but ran around with my artisan tag on, people would request duels ALL THE TIME. I would accept and throw all my composite armor on and whip out the vibro axe. Oh, they got the death blow.

I did the same thing as well. It was better then your title stuck even after you dropped your class. I was a Command/TKA, master of one or both. I kept my musician title up because almost everyone was a prick and tried to duel musicians. Yeah, killed them every time.

randombattle

Neva wrote:

TheKoolEagle wrote:

i miss oldschool swg, serioulsy one of the best mmos i 've played.

I was an artisan/pikeman but ran around with my artisan tag on, people would request duels ALL THE TIME. I would accept and throw all my composite armor on and whip out the vibro axe. Oh, they got the death blow.

I did the same thing as well. It was better then your title stuck even after you dropped your class. I was a Command/TKA, master of one or both. I kept my musician title up because almost everyone was a prick and tried to duel musicians. Yeah, killed them every time.

Oh yeah no kidding. I loved that feeling of not being able to judge every single person in the game just by looking at them.

Yeah that guy may look like some normal crafter but he might be a master of every fucking weapon in the universe too.

Axen

There was one thing about classic SWG that I always liked. If you were a good crafter everyone knew it. When people were talking about weapons and what ones were good usually it wouldn't be "this pistol is good" it'd be more like "Tadis' pistol is good". (I can't remember any of the pistol names sorry) I remember Naboo being this sort of cultural and technological center of the Galaxy on my server. All the best weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, architects, clothes designers, you name it, lived on Naboo. Which sucked for me cause I primarily hunted on Corellia.

Nocren

You know, I really hope that those guys get that Legacy data up and running.
Seems like the good ol' days is something I would really enjoy.

Der Waffle Mous

Axen wrote:

There was one thing about classic SWG that I always liked. If you were a good crafter everyone knew it. When people were talking about weapons and what ones were good usually it wouldn't be "this pistol is good" it'd be more like "Tadis' pistol is good". (I can't remember any of the pistol names sorry) I remember Naboo being this sort of cultural and technological center of the Galaxy on my server. All the best weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, architects, clothes designers, you name it, lived on Naboo. Which sucked for me cause I primarily hunted on Corellia.

That's one of the things I really liked about the game. Despite more powerful weapons gradually being unlocked, a really good crafter could make even the lowest-tier blaster worth a look at by a maxed out character.

Not to mention that the weapon's graphics seemed to be customizable based on what addons were used in it's creation. I remember getting a DL44 with some sort of wacky silencer looking thing and a gigantic scope.

Then again, that went both ways, and got kinda annoying when none of the rifles in existence seemed to have a shoulder stock.

AndoCommando82

SWG is one of the MMOs I played and constantly found myself asking, "why didn't they do this instead?" I played for about 3 months when it came out, and had a good deal of fun, but ultimately I got bored and was disappointed with the overall design of the game.

Sir Carcass

As some of you may remember, I was a huge cheerleader for this game right around the time of the CU. Because of my posts, many people from this forum either reactivated their accounts or started new ones. When the NGE was announced, I was one of the quickest to turn on the game, which I don't regret at all. The NGE removed everything that made the game great in order to be more accessible. Ironically, it pretty much killed the game. It's still on life support, but I don't think that'll last too much longer.

I followed the game during development (wanted in the beta so badly but never got it), and was extremely excited about it. I even preordered it. I was very disappointed when it was delayed but was understanding. I bought it at launch and really enjoyed it. Unfortunately I never hooked up with a good guild so I got bored with it after a couple of months and cancelled.

I reactivated about 2 weeks before the CU came out when a poster here was inviting people to join her guild. That guild made the game a million times more fun and kept me playing until it basically dissolved about 5 months later.

I loved the CU. I thought it brought some cohesiveness to the game. I hated the whole buff thing where it was necessary to compete. Most of the things people complain about, I liked. I loved the market system. I loved their implementation of player cities. I loved the Village method of becoming Jedi, even though I never finished it. My complaint with Jedi weren't that they were everywhere, it's that there was no real method of dealing with the idiots that would sit in the cantina spamming Force powers. I kind of viewed the game as an alternate universe, so the proliferation of Jedi didn't bother me too much.

I really look forward to the server emulators coming out. I don't know if SWGEmu is doing a post-CU version, but there's another project that is. That's where I had the most fun, so that's what I want to play. Even if I only run my own private server, I still am excited at getting to play it again.

Neva

They are doing pre-CU, which I'm really glad for. I hated the CU so much, mainly because SWG was one of the few MMOs where you could solo and still have fun. It might of not been that realistic to take out rancors with your bare hands, or just have you and a friend take down kyrant dragons if you were strong enough, but it was alot funner then spending two hours trying to get a group together to do something and have most of them give up half way there.

Original Rufus

So, where could I find numbers as to exactly how many people are still playing Galaxies?

I imagine it's a depressing figure.

Kazhiim

Three.

Original Rufus

Kazhiim wrote:

Three.

That's three more than I figured.

Fiaryn

There are very very few games that get such unanimous feelings of "it sucks". SWG is one of those games, and my has it joined the ranks with flying colors.

CangoFett

Bloods End wrote:

Kazhiim wrote:

I became a BH + rifleman so I could hunt jedi, before they fucked up the whole BH system. I remember hunting down a jedi knight in his guild city, ambushing him while his guild watched us fight. He pleaded for me to spare him, for a million credits. I took the money, and killed him anyway.

You know at that point Fett, or Fenn Shysa has to come out of somewhere and offer you a position as a Mandolorian.

I will not one up, but 2 up this.

Combat upgrade, Master Bounty Hunter, Master Rifleman. A couple bomb droids.

Stalking this Jedi. Im sitting in Bestine waiting for a shuttle to a player city about 2 clicks from my mark. Hes sitting in one approximate area, probably has a house there and is krayt hunting. Its a good krayt territory. Remember kiddies, being a Ranger in SWG isnt a class, its true knowledge.

I keep seekers running as I ride my swoop in the direction. When im about 400m out I store the swoop, go prone, and used conceal. Im now low crawling 300m. Im within 64 meters of the Jedi's house. Hes not scrub, but no Knight, was about 180k credits. Full Knights were 225k if I recall. I wait till hes on the other side of his house, get up, send a droid to his door, and conceal again. His house faces west, I start to head to its north side.

Im now 64 meters from his door, as marked by my droid. 64 meters is the maximum range of combat. I wait till he starts to run torwards me, and I open fire. Conceal shot, Sniper shot. Hes down to half health before he knows whats happening. If he spammed heals and ran inside, He'd probably survive now, but I knew this guy. I knew he was cocky. He charged straight for me. I kited him like it was my job. In hindsight, it was my job. I fire a few more attacks, taking out my scatter pistol to set him on fire. Hes hitting me, but my stims are keeping me somewhat alive. Finally, he decides hes had enough, heals, and heads to his house. I havent rooted him this entire fight, i've only used snares.

He gets onto his doorstep, and with one last shot, I root him. If I remember right, my action was too low to fire again, hes trying to heal. Its then that the droid on his front doorstep, right next to him, detonates.

He dies.

Several tells ensue. Mainly to the degree of, "Zomg exploits hax i hate you ill get you banned youll be blacklisted you cheater i hope you die" etc etc.

When your a Master Bounty Hunter/Rifleman, you have about 24 skill points left over. Just enough to get Level 2 dancing in Novice Entertainer.

I danced on the Jedi's corpse.



Another was a slow day. I was feeling cocky, and there werent too many Jedi on the terminals. Except one. a 220k Jedi. This guy is about as far into the Alpha class as you can get. I take the mission, track him to dantooine. At this point in time the spawns were really bugged, especially in one area of dantooine. Guess which area he was at? He was probably AoE grinding on the little rodent things that live on dantooine. I let my seeker get a few good traps, and shuttle to the nearby city. I get on my swoop and do a flyby of him. Not to kill him, but for recon. I fly right by him without stopping.

I was wrong, he wasnt grinding rodents. He was grinding on the dogs. I get a good distance away, just enough to still see his health. Slightly slowing down my swoop. I notice hes got a good ammount of dogs on him. I make a 180 and head right to him. Im compromised instantly, and he tries to force run. I snare him, he throws a saber at me. I lay down a few shots, and hes trying to heal. The dogs are still attacking. I root him again. Now in addition to be attacked by a bounty hunter, hes being attacked by about 9 of those dogs.

He goes down real fast. I run up between the dogs, deathblow him, and run off before they can do any significant damage to me.

He immediatly starts sending the /tells of anger. I wouldnt have gotten too angry at it, if it werent for him saying things like, "I hope you and your entire family die a slow painful cancerous death" repeatedly. So I took some screenshots, contacted a CSR, and added him to my friendslist so I could know if hes online or not.

The CSR said theyd talk to him. He went offline the next day, and I never saw him back on again.


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Neva wrote:

They are doing pre-CU, which I'm really glad for. I hated the CU so much, mainly because SWG was one of the few MMOs where you could solo and still have fun. It might of not been that realistic to take out rancors with your bare hands, or just have you and a friend take down kyrant dragons if you were strong enough, but it was alot funner then spending two hours trying to get a group together to do something and have most of them give up half way there.

Im not sure what your problem was. Even after the CU, I would solo Krayts easily, and even 2 manned a GDK. The only reason for that is Giant Dune Kimos have a horrible disease attack. You need to have one person attack while the other meditates off the disease, or you will be wounded till you have 1 health.

Original Rufus

The end of that post reminded me how often I had wished to have some wound-healing abilities.

Neva

I clearly remember going back to SWG {new account, couldn't remember the old one} after the CU and tried fighting those butterflies outside of Corellia. I was level 6 or so, they were 4. I got killed just about every time. If I wasn't 4 levels above it, I would most likely die. Although it might of been different at the higher levels. I didn't bother working my way back up it.