FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
The very fact that RDR can't possibly have the kind of missions I hated in GTA IV is ace.
You know, hop on this motorcycle and race through traffic and stupid drivers while trying to shoot this other guy on a bike. Oh, you can't actually kill him until a scripted moment either. And if you fall off, mission over.
Watch, there's going to be a mission in RDR where you are in a high speed horse chase and dodging dozens of slower horses on the road changing lanes without signaling and turning out in front of you for unapparent reasons.
The very fact that RDR can't possibly have the kind of missions I hated in GTA IV is ace.
You know, hop on this motorcycle and race through traffic and stupid drivers while trying to shoot this other guy on a bike. Oh, you can't actually kill him until a scripted moment either. And if you fall off, mission over.
Watch, there's going to be a mission in RDR where you are in a high speed horse chase and dodging dozens of slower horses on the road changing lanes without signaling and turning out in front of you for unapparent reasons.
You can shoot horses, though, so it's the fault of those horses for getting in your way.
That being said, the horse chases in this ought to be WAY more fun than car chases; I can't imagine your horse having a fondness for spinning out when you take a turn too hard. Send your horse into a gallop and start raining hot lead down on the gang trying to get away from you.
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That being said, the horse chases in this ought to be WAY more fun than car chases; I can't imagine your horse having a fondness for spinning out when you take a turn too hard.
Oh no, your horse slightly grazed a curb. Time to flip over and lose half your health!
I rented Episodes from Liberty City yesterday. I really wanted Gta4, but my blockbuster didn't have it. I can tell you one thing though, playing this thing is hard as shit. Fun, but Hard! I know its more realistic, but damn, theres not even any health packs.Theres no way to regain you health other then the soda, but it takes too long to drink the damn thing. I even tried to use cheats to give my self full armor, good weapons, but that only helped a little bit.In other words, thank God that RDR has Regeneration.
Slightly off topic, but look for green things hanging on walls. Those are health packs.
You can also get health from eating at street vendors or fast food joints.
Back on topic: even if the missions are as ridiculous as some of GTA4's, Episodes introduced a nifty mission checkpoint system that I would imagine they'll use fro RDR as well.
So, I haven't been paying that close of attention, but have they gone into any detail about the missions?
That was what ultimately turned me off of GTA IV, so it's my main concern in this game.
It's hard to answer that question if you don't explain what about the missions turned you off, you know.
The missions will be pretty standard video game fare, you know. Go to place, shoot man, follow man, prevent mans from shooting man.
The saving grace is that Marston regenerates health; no more having to redo the entire mission because you took too many bullets at the beginning to make it all the way through.
I don't doubt that at least some of it is going to be mitigated due to the fact that I don't have to fight with GTA IV's terrible driving.
But my annoyances with GTA IV included the following:
1) Lack of checkpoints. Not just lack of checkpoints, but the fact that if you fail it doesn't bring you back to right before you started the mission, but to the place where you got the mission---which means you often have to drive a long, long way just to get to the start of the mission again.
2) Inability to setup things beforehand. No ability to preplan how you might approach a location, because no matter how many cars you set in front of somebody's house they'll still manage to drive away, forcing you to chase them using the aforementioned terrible driving physics.
3) Forced "waypoints" and such. No you can't just shoot the asshole off his bike---you have to chase him to a pre-determined location and then you get to shoot him. Add in some pre-baked traffic jams meant to slow you down and it becomes pretty annoying. Incidentally, "annoying bike asshole" is where I stopped playing the game.
4) Bad variety in missions. The sheer amount of missions in the game meant this was going to be the case no matter what, but I was already tired of chasing guys in my car by the time I quit. Obviously, this was made worse by the fact that I didn't really like the driving in the first place.
And, while this isn't quantifiable, I just plain didn't find any of them fun. I did want to see the story play out, but I didn't want to have to deal with the gameplay to do so.
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SpectrumArcher of InfernoChaldea Rec RoomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
I will be grossly disappointed if I'm chasing some wanker on a horse and I can't just shoot his horse out from under him.
You can? I was wondering. I don't think I saw a single horse shot in any of the preview videos. I wondered if you could and they just chose not to show it because shooting horses is mean while shooting dozens of people gets you a T rating.
I imagine shooting a shitload of horses will be the easiest way to accomplish a lot of goals in this game.
Well, fucking with someone's horse was considered a HUGE crime back then. But yes. You can definitely shoot them. In fact, if you shoot them, they'll even have a CRAZY HUGE BLOOD SPRAY because of their high blood pressure. No joke.
You can even accidentally shoot the horse you're riding in the head if you aim down too low.
"accidentally"
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FiggyFighter of the night manChampion of the sunRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
See, I hope it's not the case that every mission will be easily accomplished by shooting the horse out from under someone.
I mean, imagine how the car chase missions would be in GTA IV if one bullet turned a car into a fiery blaze.
I don't want them to avoid this issue by not allowing you to shoot horses on missions, but I imagine they have had to get creative with missions to ensure this isn't an "I Win" button.
I imagine there will be plenty of missions where you're chasing a posse, a stagecoach, a wagon, or something other than a lone man on horseback, not to mention the probably large number that won't revolve around chasing anything at all.
If anything, I expect more static shootouts based in towns. Genre, after all.
See, I hope it's not the case that every mission will be easily accomplished by shooting the horse out from under someone.
I mean, imagine how the car chase missions would be in GTA IV if one bullet turned a car into a fiery blaze.
I don't want them to avoid this issue by not allowing you to shoot horses on missions, but I imagine they have had to get creative with missions to ensure this isn't an "I Win" button.
The ones that are will have some other objective, like protecting a train, or else will put you against a superior force; sure, you can just shoot the guy's horse, but when there's like ten other dudes shooting you too, it doesn't exactly become a "win" button.
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See, I hope it's not the case that every mission will be easily accomplished by shooting the horse out from under someone.
I mean, imagine how the car chase missions would be in GTA IV if one bullet turned a car into a fiery blaze.
I don't want them to avoid this issue by not allowing you to shoot horses on missions, but I imagine they have had to get creative with missions to ensure this isn't an "I Win" button.
The ones that are will have some other objective, like protecting a train, or else will put you against a superior force; sure, you can just shoot the guy's horse, but when there's like ten other dudes shooting you too, it doesn't exactly become a "win" button.
Especially, given prudent Dead Eye usage, it's probably easier just to shoot the guy anyway.
But there are still 10 other guys, yeah.
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That being said, the horse chases in this ought to be WAY more fun than car chases; I can't imagine your horse having a fondness for spinning out when you take a turn too hard.
Oh no, your horse slightly grazed a curb. Time to flip over and lose half your health!
You accidentally bump your horse against the sheriff's horse, and instantly get a bounty.
So that GameTrailers TV spot said that strangers will randomly call out Marston to a duel in the middle of the town for various reasons, giving you the option to accept or decline.
I hope that some random nobody calls out my name while I'm in the saloon. I'll decline, then shoot him in the back.
Slightly off topic, but look for green things hanging on walls. Those are health packs.
You can also get health from eating at street vendors or fast food joints.
Back on topic: even if the missions are as ridiculous as some of GTA4's, Episodes introduced a nifty mission checkpoint system that I would imagine they'll use fro RDR as well.
Off topic: I know you can get health off of resturaunts and vendors, but again it takes too long. Thanks for telling me where to find health packs tho. Back on topic, I hope you can get 6 people to ride in a carriage or a wagon, and when it breaks, you can use the 2-4 horses pulling it for your posse to get on.
Slightly off topic, but look for green things hanging on walls. Those are health packs.
You can also get health from eating at street vendors or fast food joints.
Back on topic: even if the missions are as ridiculous as some of GTA4's, Episodes introduced a nifty mission checkpoint system that I would imagine they'll use fro RDR as well.
Off topic: I know you can get health off of resturaunts and vendors, but again it takes too long. Thanks for telling me where to find health packs tho. Back on topic, I hope you can get 6 people to ride in a carriage or a wagon, and when it breaks, you can use the 2-4 horses pulling it for your posse to get on.
While this would be cool, it most likely won't happen, since the carriages don't quite work that way in the game, as well as the fact that you anyone can summon their horse at any time in multiplayer.
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KadokenGiving Ends to my Friends and it Feels StupendousRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
Do not turn off my creative mind, or I shall put you in a world of arcane torture! I just want this because I like getting a bunch of people to ride the bus in Gta4, also because I've liked big transportation things ever since Battlefield 2's Transport Heli. I loved getting 6 guys in there to parachute out in the middle of the map (Or the ocean ;P)
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Do not turn off my creative mind, or I shall put you in a world of arcane torture! I just want this because I like getting a bunch of people to ride the bus in Gta4, also because I've liked big transportation things ever since Battlefield 2's Transport Heli. I loved getting 6 guys in there to parachute out in the middle of the map (Or the ocean ;P)
...you were planning on beelining your carriage for the nearest ravine and jumping off at the last second, weren't you?
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Mehbeh..........mehbeh with a group full of PA members.......While on fire........with a bear riding on the front......
The survivors will be surrounded my Fire bottle flames......While I sing "Ring of Fire" by Johnny Cash....."I went down in a burning ring of fire, I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.......
So that GameTrailers TV spot said that strangers will randomly call out Marston to a duel in the middle of the town for various reasons, giving you the option to accept or decline.
I hope that some random nobody calls out my name while I'm in the saloon. I'll decline, then shoot him in the back.
It'll sort of be like Bruce Lee, who kept having people challenge him on movie sets.
Also Kadoken, that sounds like you're tempting the fates. Roll out, revolver to the face.
Watching Deadwood again really got me in the mood for this.
cocksuckers
Same here. That, and reading some good ole Larry McMurtry novels.
My grandfather first introduced me to westerns ala the John Wayne classics, but McMurtry's books were the first to really suck me into the genre. Life on the frontier was all sorts of fucking crazy.
Watching Deadwood again really got me in the mood for this.
cocksuckers
Not to turn this into the Deadwood thread but...
Quite possibly one of the greatest verbal exchanges in the history of verbal exchanges...
Al Swearengen: The entire area of my fucking asshole is now one gigantic fucking throb. I have no idea what's transpiring in there. Dolly: Shall I suck your prick? Al Swearengen: Please.
Watching Deadwood again really got me in the mood for this.
cocksuckers
Not to turn this into the Deadwood thread but...
Quite possibly one of the greatest verbal exchanges in the history of verbal exchanges...
Al Swearengen: The entire area of my fucking asshole is now one gigantic fucking throb. I have no idea what's transpiring in there. Dolly: Shall I suck your prick? Al Swearengen: Please.
Swearengen is a veritable goldmine of foul-mouthed brilliance.
Not to further derail the thread, but my friend and I are planning a whiskey-fueled Deadwood marathon once my damn law finals are over. Oh my.
Man, Rockstar really upped the ante in the quality of their facial animation.
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Librarian's ghostLibrarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSporkRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
I think I've seen enough. I don't want to find out anything else about this game. I'm going to just watch all of the Brisco County series till this comes out.
Screw you guys and your gritty realistic cowboys. I'm gonna be looking for the coming thing on my genius horse Comet.
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You know, hop on this motorcycle and race through traffic and stupid drivers while trying to shoot this other guy on a bike. Oh, you can't actually kill him until a scripted moment either. And if you fall off, mission over.
Watch, there's going to be a mission in RDR where you are in a high speed horse chase and dodging dozens of slower horses on the road changing lanes without signaling and turning out in front of you for unapparent reasons.
You can shoot horses, though, so it's the fault of those horses for getting in your way.
That being said, the horse chases in this ought to be WAY more fun than car chases; I can't imagine your horse having a fondness for spinning out when you take a turn too hard. Send your horse into a gallop and start raining hot lead down on the gang trying to get away from you.
Oh no, your horse slightly grazed a curb. Time to flip over and lose half your health!
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Slightly off topic, but look for green things hanging on walls. Those are health packs.
You can also get health from eating at street vendors or fast food joints.
Back on topic: even if the missions are as ridiculous as some of GTA4's, Episodes introduced a nifty mission checkpoint system that I would imagine they'll use fro RDR as well.
I don't doubt that at least some of it is going to be mitigated due to the fact that I don't have to fight with GTA IV's terrible driving.
But my annoyances with GTA IV included the following:
1) Lack of checkpoints. Not just lack of checkpoints, but the fact that if you fail it doesn't bring you back to right before you started the mission, but to the place where you got the mission---which means you often have to drive a long, long way just to get to the start of the mission again.
2) Inability to setup things beforehand. No ability to preplan how you might approach a location, because no matter how many cars you set in front of somebody's house they'll still manage to drive away, forcing you to chase them using the aforementioned terrible driving physics.
3) Forced "waypoints" and such. No you can't just shoot the asshole off his bike---you have to chase him to a pre-determined location and then you get to shoot him. Add in some pre-baked traffic jams meant to slow you down and it becomes pretty annoying. Incidentally, "annoying bike asshole" is where I stopped playing the game.
4) Bad variety in missions. The sheer amount of missions in the game meant this was going to be the case no matter what, but I was already tired of chasing guys in my car by the time I quit. Obviously, this was made worse by the fact that I didn't really like the driving in the first place.
And, while this isn't quantifiable, I just plain didn't find any of them fun. I did want to see the story play out, but I didn't want to have to deal with the gameplay to do so.
You can? I was wondering. I don't think I saw a single horse shot in any of the preview videos. I wondered if you could and they just chose not to show it because shooting horses is mean while shooting dozens of people gets you a T rating.
I imagine shooting a shitload of horses will be the easiest way to accomplish a lot of goals in this game.
You can even accidentally shoot the horse you're riding in the head if you aim down too low.
"accidentally"
I mean, imagine how the car chase missions would be in GTA IV if one bullet turned a car into a fiery blaze.
I don't want them to avoid this issue by not allowing you to shoot horses on missions, but I imagine they have had to get creative with missions to ensure this isn't an "I Win" button.
Horse armour?
If anything, I expect more static shootouts based in towns. Genre, after all.
The ones that are will have some other objective, like protecting a train, or else will put you against a superior force; sure, you can just shoot the guy's horse, but when there's like ten other dudes shooting you too, it doesn't exactly become a "win" button.
But there are still 10 other guys, yeah.
You accidentally bump your horse against the sheriff's horse, and instantly get a bounty.
PshtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffBAM, horses hooves explode and his legs start flailing wildly, galloping out of control.
I hope that some random nobody calls out my name while I'm in the saloon. I'll decline, then shoot him in the back.
While this would be cool, it most likely won't happen, since the carriages don't quite work that way in the game, as well as the fact that you anyone can summon their horse at any time in multiplayer.
One of the rare acceptable forms of griefing.
It'll sort of be like Bruce Lee, who kept having people challenge him on movie sets.
Also Kadoken, that sounds like you're tempting the fates. Roll out, revolver to the face.
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Same here. That, and reading some good ole Larry McMurtry novels.
My grandfather first introduced me to westerns ala the John Wayne classics, but McMurtry's books were the first to really suck me into the genre. Life on the frontier was all sorts of fucking crazy.
And Jesus, I can't wait for this game.
Seriously, bravo Rockstar.
Not to turn this into the Deadwood thread but...
Quite possibly one of the greatest verbal exchanges in the history of verbal exchanges...
Dolly: Shall I suck your prick?
Al Swearengen: Please.
PSN: OrneryRooster
Swearengen is a veritable goldmine of foul-mouthed brilliance.
Not to further derail the thread, but my friend and I are planning a whiskey-fueled Deadwood marathon once my damn law finals are over. Oh my.
Screw you guys and your gritty realistic cowboys. I'm gonna be looking for the coming thing on my genius horse Comet.
seriously, its even better than the alien facial animation in Mass Effect 2
Better than Legion's metal flaps? Than Mordin's eye-narrowed moments of scientific inquiry? Than ManShep's creepy, creepy, creepy smiles?
No kidding that motherfucker can't even smile
ok i misspoke (misposted?)
better than MOST of the facial animation in ME2
Soooooo not pretty.
Maybe I'll see if my oxbox still works and plug it into my old 19" sdtv, get some cowboy on.