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The [GNU/Linux] thread, where 'Windows' is always spelled properly.

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  • grouch993grouch993 Both a man and a numberRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    ORA emacs manual, or at least the command reference card. Then all the control-h bindings to bring up your help.

    There should be a lot of emacs lisp functions hanging about the web. Things like code highlighting and brace completion.

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  • seabassseabass Doctor MassachusettsRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    grouch993 wrote: »
    ORA emacs manual, or at least the command reference card. Then all the control-h bindings to bring up your help.

    There should be a lot of emacs lisp functions hanging about the web. Things like code highlighting and brace completion.

    And wordcounting a region. That this isn't default in emacs, but freaking Elisa is, is a sin.

    If you really want to use emacs frequently, the manual is amazing. My advisor gave me his old one when he got a new one, and I have that thing out constantly.

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  • WhatToThinkWhatToThink Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    So I am trying to get ubuntu installed on my macbook pro 7,1 without a live cd. I first installed rEFIt and everything was fine. I then partitioned and external hard drive and installed ubuntu on the partition and it would boot fine from my pc. When I try to boot it from my macbook it shows up as an ubuntu OS on rEFIt but when I go to boot I always get a boot error. Anyone why?

    Kind of related, has anyone been able to install backtrack on a macbook pro 7,1?

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    upstart is really trying to get my goat :(

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  • TincheTinche No dog food for Victor tonight. Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    seasleepy wrote: »
    Okay, so org-mode is pretty much amazing-looking and worth switching to Emacs for. But it's so big I don't really know where to start with it, and there's a ton of configuration options, but lisp is...lisp. Anyone ever played with it or have even some general Emacs tutorials?

    That looks neat. I'm reminded, though, of the old joke about Emacs being a great operating system, but lacking a good text editor. :)

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  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Theres a computer repair shop by my house run by a guy who is in his 70s.

    He is selling Theif 1 and 2 for like, 40-50 dollars, each.


    Oh, and you can buy Mandrake, or Red Hat linux for 20-40 dollars from him.


    Isnt there something in the GNU license or something else that says he cant do this?

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    CangoFett wrote: »
    Theres a computer repair shop by my house run by a guy who is in his 70s.

    He is selling Theif 1 and 2 for like, 40-50 dollars, each.


    Oh, and you can buy Mandrake, or Red Hat linux for 20-40 dollars from him.


    Isnt there something in the GNU license or something else that says he cant do this?

    http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
    The GNU General Public License is a free, copyleft license for software and other kinds of works.

    The licenses for most software and other practical works are designed to take away your freedom to share and change the works. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users. We, the Free Software Foundation, use the GNU General Public License for most of our software; it applies also to any other work released this way by its authors. You can apply it to your programs, too.

    When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

    To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.

    For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.

    Or, as the saying goes, "Free as in freedom, not free as in beer." ;-)

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  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Feh. Hes still a dick for trying to pawn off 8 year old linux distros for 30 bucks.

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  • JimboJimbo down underRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Just sounds like it's stock that's been sitting on his shelves for the past 10 years,

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No law against being a dickhead.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Daedalus wrote: »
    No law against being a dickhead.

    If there was then I'd be in jail.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So has that fun bug in Ubuntu where the autopartitioner doesn't make a big enough swap partition for hibernation been fixed in 10.10? The fact that it was allowed to linger for two releases was pretty amazing. A third round of it would annoy me. I like letting Ubuntu partition for me.

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  • proyebatproyebat GARY WAS HERE ASH IS A LOSERRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MKR wrote: »
    So has that fun bug in Ubuntu where the autopartitioner doesn't make a big enough swap partition for hibernation been fixed in 10.10? The fact that it was allowed to linger for two releases was pretty amazing. A third round of it would annoy me. I like letting Ubuntu partition for me.

    Not using gparted manually?

    you so crazy

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    proyebat wrote: »
    MKR wrote: »
    So has that fun bug in Ubuntu where the autopartitioner doesn't make a big enough swap partition for hibernation been fixed in 10.10? The fact that it was allowed to linger for two releases was pretty amazing. A third round of it would annoy me. I like letting Ubuntu partition for me.

    Not using gparted manually?

    you so crazy

    I'm a lazy goose

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  • PuddlesworthPuddlesworth Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Hey linux thread,

    So probably a very easy question but I'm having trouble googling for the answer. So I set up an old desktop as a minecraft server for my friends and I. I have the server software set up to run at boot which works fine. If i were to run the server software manually from the terminal I would get an interactive console so I can basically view server activity, save the world, and stop the server. However when I start the software at boot I don't know how to access this console, so I don't know how to stop the server without a killall java. So does anyone know how to do this, it seems like a pretty common thing to do.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Is the server a telnet listener?

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  • PuddlesworthPuddlesworth Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Is the server a telnet listener?

    I don't really know what that means so i'm gonna say no.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I think what he's saying is that the server has an interactive command line. I don't know if there's some way to pipe that through a telnet server.

    edit: Wait, I think he's looking for the virtual consoles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console

    I don't know which one the server would be starting on.

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  • WeretacoWeretaco Cubicle Gangster Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I just use screen for this

    Open a terminal window

    screen <java blah blah blah command for minecraft>

    ctrl+a then d will disconnect and leave it running

    if you want to rejoin it

    screen -r <session number>

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  • PuddlesworthPuddlesworth Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Weretaco wrote: »
    I just use screen for this

    Open a terminal window

    screen <java blah blah blah command for minecraft>

    ctrl+a then d will disconnect and leave it running

    if you want to rejoin it

    screen -r <session number>

    Ooh well this seems to work, is there a way to figure out the session number that was used at boot?

    EDIT: Oh figured it out, if I do screen -D -R it'll reattach the one I want. I guess that'll only work when its the only screen session I have going, but that's good enough for now. Thanks guys.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    My old, old install of debian died the other day.

    I reinstalled an abolutely minimal number of packages. It is great.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ah, screen, obviously. Why didn't I think of that? There ought to be class wrappers that expose a telnet/SSH interface.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Some time ago a group of hyper-intelligent pan dimensional beings
    decided to finally answer the great question of Life, The Universe and
    Everything. To this end, a small band of these Debians built an
    incredibly powerful distribution, Ubuntu. After this great computer
    programme had run (a very quick 3 million minutes...or 6 years) the
    answer was announced. The Ultimate answer to Life, the Universe and
    Everything is...42, and in its' purest form 101010. Which suggests that
    what you really need to know is 'What was the Question?'. The great
    distribution kindly pointed out that what the problem really was that
    no-one knew the question. Accordingly, the distribution designed a set
    of successors, marked by a circle of friends...to ultimately bring Unity
    to all things living...Ubuntu 10.10, to find the question to the
    ultimate answer.

    And with that, the Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 10.10.
    Codenamed "Maverick Meerkat", 10.10 continues Ubuntu's proud tradition
    of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a
    high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.

    edit:
    Hibernation may be unavailable with automatic partitioning. The default partitioning recipe in the installer will in some cases allocate a swap partition that is smaller than the physical memory in the system. This will prevent the use of hibernation (suspend-to-disk) because the system image will not fit in the swap partition. If you intend to use hibernation with your system, you should ensure that the swap partition's size is at least as large as the system's physical RAM. (345126)

    Three releases and that's still not fixed? :?

    edit: However, this is awesome: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/ccleaner-for-linux-bleachbit-hits-0-8-1/

    I was just wondering if there was something like CCleaner for Linux. :rotate:

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  • TincheTinche No dog food for Victor tonight. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I ain't upgrading until I turn in my thesis and all the code associated with it, as much as I'd like to.

    Hopefully things will have settled down in about 40 days. :)

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MKR wrote: »
    Some time ago a group of hyper-intelligent pan dimensional beings
    decided to finally answer the great question of Life, The Universe and
    Everything. To this end, a small band of these Debians built an
    incredibly powerful distribution, Ubuntu. After this great computer
    programme had run (a very quick 3 million minutes...or 6 years) the
    answer was announced. The Ultimate answer to Life, the Universe and
    Everything is...42, and in its' purest form 101010. Which suggests that
    what you really need to know is 'What was the Question?'. The great
    distribution kindly pointed out that what the problem really was that
    no-one knew the question. Accordingly, the distribution designed a set
    of successors, marked by a circle of friends...to ultimately bring Unity
    to all things living...Ubuntu 10.10, to find the question to the
    ultimate answer.

    And with that, the Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 10.10.
    Codenamed "Maverick Meerkat", 10.10 continues Ubuntu's proud tradition
    of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a
    high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.

    edit:
    Hibernation may be unavailable with automatic partitioning. The default partitioning recipe in the installer will in some cases allocate a swap partition that is smaller than the physical memory in the system. This will prevent the use of hibernation (suspend-to-disk) because the system image will not fit in the swap partition. If you intend to use hibernation with your system, you should ensure that the swap partition's size is at least as large as the system's physical RAM. (345126)

    Three releases and that's still not fixed? :?

    edit: However, this is awesome: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/ccleaner-for-linux-bleachbit-hits-0-8-1/

    I was just wondering if there was something like CCleaner for Linux. :rotate:

    Once you know what you're doing you should really be using the custom partitioner anyway.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I don't store much locally, and it's all backed up in several places online (and isn't much to begin with--everything I store is text). I don't need a partition layout with ease of restoration as a consideration.

    There are a lot of things I could do manually. I don't do most of them because the benefit is marginal or non-existent for me. When I manually partition, it's going to look exactly like the autopartitioner would have done, except the swap will be big enough.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Fair enough.

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  • SeeksSeeks Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MKR wrote: »


    Not gonna lie, seeing this is the high point of my day.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
    Keyword	Global Monthly Searches
    linux              30,400,000
    ubuntu            20,400,000
    linux download     1,000,000
    download linux     1,000,000
    

    welp

    edit: Microsoft is at 45.5m.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ok, I'm moving a computer to Linux, and I'm really surprised by it. My printer has native linux drivers, the wi-fi card just connects right to the strongest non-protected network. I could print and browse the web without typing a single command, what in the world is Linux coming to?

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Well this is a lot of fun. Since the latest version of Ubuntu came out I was interested in trying it again. I had a spare laptop that I've been familiarizing myself with Linux on so I was going to dual boot Ubuntu with the existing Arch Linux installation. Arch Linux defaults to creating four separate partitions (boot, swap, root and home) and four partitions is the maximum I'm allowed on the drive sooooo I deleted the swap partition to make room for an extended partition which I then placed the root and a new swap partition into. The home directory was kept outside because I'd like to try sharing it with the Ubuntu installation.

    Hours and hours later after resizing partitions, deleting partitions, moving partitions and making new partitions I had the drive partitioned exactly the way I wanted so I rebooted into Arch to see the damage I had done.

    Swap no longer worked (I'm about to fix that) and the wireless failed due to something called RF-kill. Arch recognized the new location of the home directory though and everything else seems to be okay! I'm about to install Ubuntu now on a clean partition. I expect it will go very roughly. I could just wipe the hard drive and start over but I have Arch Linux running just as I like it. I even managed to get XFCE running decently.

    Like I said, lots of fun!

    Edit: That did not work at all.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm now on an OS that's less than ten years old. All the weird orange and purple works once it's part of your actual DE.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10, and the fucking update broke Grub. I boot up and get an error along the lines of "symbol 'grub_xputs' not found".

    I eventually manage to fix it but if I hadn't been using Linux for like six years I wouldn't have had the slightest clue what to do, and really that's not how I wanted to spend an evening after a long day of work.

    Look, I know the 10/10/10 release date was important, but fucking really? Not breaking the fucking bootloader is kind of an important feature. Maybe I should switch (back) to Debian.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Daedalus wrote: »
    So I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10, and the fucking update broke Grub. I boot up and get an error along the lines of "symbol 'grub_xputs' not found".

    I eventually manage to fix it but if I hadn't been using Linux for like six years I wouldn't have had the slightest clue what to do, and really that's not how I wanted to spend an evening after a long day of work.

    Look, I know the 10/10/10 release date was important, but fucking really? Not breaking the fucking bootloader is kind of an important feature. Maybe I should switch (back) to Debian.

    LTS to LTS man. ;o)

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Alright, someone who's working on Arch needs to add a cache clearing script to pacman or something. I didn't realize that it would keep fucking packages forever and ever, and have filled my disk up with old junk I don't need now. One clearing and crontab job later, it shouldn't happen again. Now to go back and reinstall X, from where it was broken before all this mess.

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  • SeeksSeeks Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Daedalus wrote: »
    So I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10, and the fucking update broke Grub. I boot up and get an error along the lines of "symbol 'grub_xputs' not found".

    I eventually manage to fix it but if I hadn't been using Linux for like six years I wouldn't have had the slightest clue what to do, and really that's not how I wanted to spend an evening after a long day of work.

    Look, I know the 10/10/10 release date was important, but fucking really? Not breaking the fucking bootloader is kind of an important feature. Maybe I should switch (back) to Debian.

    Huh.

    I installed it on a new partition for the sole purpose of playing games I got from GOG on Wine (won't work on my main install because of the video driver). Not a single hiccup.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Seeks wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    So I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10, and the fucking update broke Grub. I boot up and get an error along the lines of "symbol 'grub_xputs' not found".

    I eventually manage to fix it but if I hadn't been using Linux for like six years I wouldn't have had the slightest clue what to do, and really that's not how I wanted to spend an evening after a long day of work.

    Look, I know the 10/10/10 release date was important, but fucking really? Not breaking the fucking bootloader is kind of an important feature. Maybe I should switch (back) to Debian.

    Huh.

    I installed it on a new partition for the sole purpose of playing games I got from GOG on Wine (won't work on my main install because of the video driver). Not a single hiccup.

    Maybe it's a quirk of my motherboard or RAID setup or something; there's a handful of reports on the official forums of the same thing happening.

    I didn't have a liveCD, only the "alternative CD" so I needed to use that to get into a minimal busybox shell, then mount my Ubuntu root partition and then chroot into that and reinstall Grub. A new user would never have figured that shit out.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Woo, got X to work again. Remind me to never restart it again under Arch.

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  • proyebatproyebat GARY WAS HERE ASH IS A LOSERRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm going to make something similar to slitaz, where I have a compact suite of lightweight utilities, but using more dated pieces like kernel 2.6.35 instead of 2.6.20.
    Is there a maintained config for a super stripped kernel removing support for anything less than 10 years old, uncommon hardware (like HAM radio modules, IR modules, SGI/VIA/GEODE video card drivers, and other bloat)?

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    Alright, someone who's working on Arch needs to add a cache clearing script to pacman or something. I didn't realize that it would keep fucking packages forever and ever, and have filled my disk up with old junk I don't need now. One clearing and crontab job later, it shouldn't happen again. Now to go back and reinstall X, from where it was broken before all this mess.

    Pacman/yaourt -Sc?

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