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High cpu temperatures

Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
Yet another problem. *sigh*
I installed the new GFX card two days ago and when I checked the temperatures, Iswa the GPU temp peaking at 74C during a game and the cpu hitting a whopping 65C. Weirdly, core0 was down as 42C and core1 was at 65C. SUre;y they'd both be running at the same temp?

It's an athlon x2 64 4200 running at stock 2.2ghz. OS is windows 7. Also know that just this morning I opened up the cpu shroud and removed the fan, cleaning all dust from it and the heatsink. I removed the cpu and removed the thermal paste from it and the heatsink, reapplying some more on the cpu only.

Full specs
Dell dimension c521
athlon 64 x2 4200 2.2ghz
win 7 ultimate
sapphire 5570hd 1gb
3gb ram ddr2
280W stock psu.

One last thing, the fan at the front is blowing out cold air, like if I put my hand there it's noticeably cool. That can't be right? (its the cpu fan)

edit: fffffff it just hit 47C and all I have running is firefox and steam. D:

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    And images of the dust!
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    and the fan
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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Alright! Just played through the Just Cause 2 demo and checked the temps.
    Core0:57C
    core1:52C
    GPU:57C

    That seems reasonable right? I have coretemp set up to put the computer to sleep mode should the Core temps hit 70 which is the max I'm willing to risk.

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  • AlectharAlecthar Alan Shore We're not territorial about that sort of thing, are we?Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Ehhhh...I don't know what the specs are on the older Athlon dual cores, but those numbers seem pretty high for a stock clock. The GPU is fine, those generally run hotter anyway, but I do have a few questions in re: your CPU heatsink...

    1. How much thermal compound did you use?

    2. Are you certain the fan on the heatsink is operating properly?

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The fan is whats throwing me. It seems to be blowing out cold air from the front of the case. But then it's always done this. I'd have thought it would blow out warm air given the temps.

    As for the thermal compound, I squeezed out a small pea sized amount and used the plastic card that came with it to smooth it out of the proocessor evenly.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm confused with your fan/s. You say it is blowing air out of the front of the case but it's the cpu fan. Is it one of those models that have a plastic shroud and suck air from inside the case through the heatsink and out of the case rather than blowing air directly on the heatsink?

    Also I'm assuming you added the 5770 to replace the default. If you did, and if my guess about the cpu fan is correct, then this might be the issue. Your graphics card, if running much hotter than what your setup was designed for, could actually be sending hot air from the video card to the heatsink which certainly wouldn't be ideal.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    That's exactly what's happening. I also think the cpu fan isn't running quite as fast as it could be. Unfortunately there's no manual control for it in the BIOS, bless you Dell. So I'm either gonna have to chance it at these temps and see how far it gets me or try and build a funnel of some kind to...... funnel the air being blown out by the gpu so it isn't being sent back in to the CPU fan.

    Alternatively, I could drill holes into the case but that's likely to make things a lot worse. If only DELL weren't such whores I could buy an aftermarket fan and use that instead. GAH!!!!!!!

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I had one similar and I cheated to get room for a 120mm fan by just taking all the metal slots from the back under the video card and letting it sit there blowing out out of the case. Mine's fan and shroud did direct the cpu air out of the back rather than the front though.

    Have you thought about reversing the fan's airflow so it sucks air from out of the case though the front and blows onto the cpu? If you could rig up another in the rear to expel the air it might work. Then again, it might not help a bit.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm going to actually try that nest. I did find someone on another forum write about how that helped him. For now, I rolled back to XP as I thought maybe Win7 was too taxing on the cpu for some obscure reason. Made no difference however, temps are still around 40 idle. Haven't bother taxing the cpu with load yet, but I think it's faiar to say it'll be painful.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Took your advice Roland and turned the fan around. Ther was also a lttle weirdness with the heatsink and CPU. Basically the Heatsink is under a shroud and it flips over onto it's side. As I was pulling it off it ended up pulling the CPU out too, stuck to it. Managed to remove the CPU off it by sliding it off the edge of the HS but tbh I am a little worried that I might've damaged the processor by pulling it out without removing the clamp holding it down. None of the pins seemed bent so I'm not entirely sure. Anyway, the thermal paste on it was really, really gooey. I'm guessing I used way too much. Used a tonne less this time, hopefully offsetting the previous problem. Ofcourse I've turned the fan around tool this time so it could end up being worse anyway! Bugger it! I'll let the paste settle for a while and switch it on later this evening.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Damn it. Not a bit of difference. I'm out of ideas now. Turning the fans around appears to make the temp rise.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    how hot are you running now?

    My Core 2 Duo runs at a steady 41C when idle.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    41 at idle on core 0. But it increases to 47-ish when going on just firefox. Played some hitman blood money for 20mins and it went up to 57. 72 is the max my cpu can take.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    what kind of paste are you using



    is it the kind that takes time to cure

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    no. I believe you just leave it a few minutes and then switch on the pc.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'd guess it's down to your case layout and airflow, then.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah its just that one flipping card. Ugh. Might have to do what you said abnd construct some kind of funnel to divert the gpu airflow away from the cpu HSF.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Big Isy wrote: »
    Yeah its just that one flipping card. Ugh. Might have to do what you said abnd construct some kind of funnel to divert the gpu airflow away from the cpu HSF.

    Hehe, yeah, crazy school project like.

    Post a pic of your open case, it would help.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yea, I figured it would be a coin toss if turning the fan around would help or not. And if that's the only fan inside the case (not counting the psu fan) seeing temps rise isn't really surprising if there's not another getting rid of the hot air. Basically you will want cooler ambient temperature being sucked/pushed into the case with warmer case air being expelled on the other end.

    Really at this point it's going to be a trial & error guessing game, but some more pics of the case setup might help with the guessing.

    As far as the cpu goes, I'm sure you haven't hurt it, and I'm a fan of using a rice sized amount of paste in the middle of the cpu and letting the pressure of the heatsink spread it out. As far as the thermal paste you use, it really doesn't matter. ;)

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm using something called AKasa TIM. Came in a pack with some cleaner and a spreader card too. I think the cards been messing me up though tbh. Just youtube'd some thermal compound application methods and it appears the 'finger in some plastic' route is what most go for. I'll give it another shot tomorrow as well as switch the fan back the right way round. It was hitting mid 50C earlier on D:
    I'll post pictures tomorrow. Would do it right now but I've been relegated to sleeping on a settee in the living room tonight. I just love having people stay over. Ugh.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    NEW IMAGES! but the sizing is all manner of screwed :(
    Also, reapplied thermal paste, again. And swicthed the fan back the right way round.
    Ths is the top end, with the HDD behind the DVD and PSU behind it.
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    Here's the entire layout, black box is HSF for CPU. GFX card is on the right of that.
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    GFX card, you acn just see the HSF for the CPU on the left edge.
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    This here is the front end where the fan is drawing the air out of the case.
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    A better look at what I'm assuming is the cause of all this nonsense
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    Another full layout picture just because
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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Graphics card right being under the cpu is definitely heating up the air that the cpu is getting. You are going to have to figure out a way to get more hot air out of the case faster, and I just don't see that happening without adding fans.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    That's what I was dreading. There doesn't appear to be another fan port on the mobo. Atleast not from what I can see. There's a port at the back that has USB1 written next to it? Internal USB connector? Then theres a black slot under the GPU that has SLOT2 written on it. I'm sorry forthe lack of technical terms lol.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I wouldn't really expect to find one since dell motherboards don't tend to have much on them other than what they need but you can buy fans with different power connectors.

    I have a couple that use the IDE type power connections. And as far as that goes, you can make your own connector if you're inclined to do that type of thing. Hell, I've been known to just strip an unused wire and splice into it with the fan's wire when I didn't have anything else laying around to use, but I wouldn't recommend that to someone else, especially on their main pc.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    HAHA, Yeah that rerally isn't an option. I struggle with simple stuff. Splicing is not something I wanna be going into.
    I'll look into getting a fan that uses that USB port.

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  • PirusuPirusu Pierce Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Couldn't you just use something like this ?

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I already have a lead like that coming out of the PSU. Large four pin connector. There's also a smaller 4 pin connector too. If I can use though then I guess I'm set? I just need to worok out what size fan and where to put it.

    edit: Just to point out that the connector for the front HSF is completely different to that one in the link. It's got four wires, yeah but it's a much smaller black clip. I'm guessing DELL proprietary crap?

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  • krushkrush Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I was going to post this in my "beige drive" thread, but since you guys started one that's more appropriate...


    Ok... As I said in my other thread, I recovered a socket 478 Prescott core 3.4GHz HT processor the other day. I dropped it into my machine last night and it's up and running well... EXCEPT the fucker is BLAZING hot! I remember this being a complaint about Prescott core P4's, but sheesh!

    At the moment, I have one case fan mounted at the rear of the case just behind the processor. It's pushing air out of the case, hopefully drawing more air in through the case along with the power supply's fan. I originally had another fan in the lower front of the case, but pulled it out to use it in another machine. I REALLY doubt the one I have in there now will be enough, so the question is this:

    Should I put another fan in the front of the case, to draw more outside air into the case or should I use it as an exhaust fan, pushing hot air out of the case and turn the rear one around to push cool air in over the processor's HSF?

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    There is a reason people call it "PresHott"

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I've decided this is about as cool as I'm gonna get it without sppending more money on it. I would rather keep this as is, not holding back on the gaming or anything. It'll run just fine I reckon. But, to be on the safe side I'll be saving up for another PC more suited for gaming. I already have a case from over a decade ago. Its beige!

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The odds of a case having good airflow for a modern system?
    I'm not so sure.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Darn. I suppose cases are cheap these days anyway.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Big Isy wrote: »
    I've decided this is about as cool as I'm gonna get it without sppending more money on it. I would rather keep this as is, not holding back on the gaming or anything. It'll run just fine I reckon. But, to be on the safe side I'll be saving up for another PC more suited for gaming. I already have a case from over a decade ago. Its beige!

    just play JC2 and don't worry about the pc.
    meanwhile you save money for a better machine.
    Then when the CPU melts, you're good to go!

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    YOU'RE NOT FILLING ME WITH CONFIDENCE!!!!!!
    But seriously, seems to be peaking at 57 and sticking there which is good.... I guess. 'Sides, I need a hobby so why not building a PC?

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Big Isy wrote: »
    YOU'RE NOT FILLING ME WITH CONFIDENCE!!!!!!
    But seriously, seems to be peaking at 57 and sticking there which is good.... I guess. 'Sides, I need a hobby so why not building a PC?

    considering that you have to make a new pc every time you want to start a game, that might be a good idea :D

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    You have no idea how many times I've had to restart Blood Money lol.
    I just did the math and by the end of July, I'll have enough to make a new PC and still have some left over for bills and shit. Question is; can I make it the nextt 2 months?

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010

    I don't think those things fit his case though, that's the whole crux of his problem. I have a TX2, does a pretty decent job for its price.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    cooler master one is for intel chipsets only according to the compatibility. Second one looks like a really good fit actually, shame about the power consoumption. I have the stock 280w psu.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Whoops, I posted the wrong link for the first one.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah that's for AM3, I have a AM2 set. I don't think those would work anyway because the DELL HSF has a shroud running over it which has really widely placed screws. Standard fan/HS brackets won't fix onto those, not with the plccement like that.

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