Being realistic, I don't think it's possible to wipe in HCoS unless all 5 people are in nothing but greens and just dinged 80. We were getting the drake the same week we hit 80 back in November 08 with everybody in blues and me barely uncrittable with 20k unbuffed health on my Paladin tank, and there was never really a risk of a wipe. None of the bosses even have any challenging abilities in there.
Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
I hate CoS so the faster we get through that place the better. It is the most boring and terrible instance in the game for me. I don't know why I hate it so much but I do.
Being realistic, I don't think it's possible to wipe in HCoS unless all 5 people are in nothing but greens and just dinged 80. We were getting the drake the same week we hit 80 back in November 08 with everybody in blues and me barely uncrittable with 20k unbuffed health on my Paladin tank, and there was never really a risk of a wipe. None of the bosses even have any challenging abilities in there.
Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
I had a prob.. on my paly, just 80. It was tough. Youd run outta mana quick, and if that first boss, the mini patchwerk, kept hitting you with the stun thing, theres only so much you can do. Tho i do have, bubble/Every man. Real hell tho was Heroic UK.. F me that at 80. Fresh 80, that was the first thing i ran with my buddies. We were one of the first 80s on the server(Not the achievement wise, but server scan wise there were maybe like 10). Didnt read any strats, nothing. It was a pounding. We cleared it, and was epic, but i mean we had a lot of BC gear etc. I was running out of mana a lot, especially the first few pulls with the amount of trash. Things wouldnt die as fast. It was hell, but it was goddam fun.
Now other than a few occasions i can pretty much sleepwalk through anything. And lucky for me when the tank runs ahead beacon has a 60 yard range with no los issues etc so i get to look at the scenery.
I think it's one of my favorites, now that the RP event is fixed.
I have no good reason for hating it, I just do. I dont when it happened either. I just know that when I queue up and I see that loading screen I cringe.
HoR makes me cringe, because just, fuck the stun that if you're healer isn't fuckawesome means you'll probably die with the way they fixed the pathing of mobs.
I remember you could move and position and get the mobs to fan out in an arc in front of you. Now they move pretty much on top of you and sometimes reposition at the back. So reposi.. STUN with 3 mobs at your back and dead.
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HoR makes me cringe as does HoS because it's boring as well. PoS is bad too since so many groups wipe on the hill. Ick is a great boss though and almost makes up for the hill and tunnel.
HoR makes me cringe as does HoS because it's boring as well. PoS is bad too since so many groups wipe on the hill. Ick is a great boss though and almost makes up for the hill and tunnel.
We had a tank drop group after we didn't haul ass to the hill... this was after facerolling through every second of the instance with no one even getting below 3/4 health.
Really? Is potentially pulling both groups on the hill worth the 2 minutes it takes to kill them?
If your group is struggling and it will save a potential wipe, then maybe, but after steamrolling through the first 2/3 of the place you think he'd have a little more faith.
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By the time you actually get to the hill you should know if it's going to happen or not. If your DPS is slow and the tank is taking heavy damage it's not happening.
Also I really feel as though you need to establish wether or not you are going to mount past them earlier than right as Ick dies. Suddenly announcing everyone needs to mount up and run by is almost always going to cause a wipe or cause the group to get split which again creates a wipe.
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By the time you actually get to the hill you should know if it's going to happen or not. If your DPS is slow and the tank is taking heavy damage it's not happening.
Also I really feel as though you need to establish wether or not you are going to mount past them earlier than right as Ick dies. Suddenly announcing everyone needs to mount up and run by is almost always going to cause a wipe or cause the group to get split which again creates a wipe.
This. In my battlegroup maybe 10% of people try to skip it, and those 10% do not say anything to the other 90% before riding off.
Yeah I never get trying to skip those mobs. Yes they are a pain, but trying to skip them is even worse.
The other day I was healing a tank that had like 30k hp fully buffed, I'm talking motw, king's drums, and fort scrolls. All of which I provided, I didn't really care. Yet he ran up the hill trying to skip them, but no one else did so we wiped and I rebuffed again. Then on Tyr, he would get kicked back and take the huge health hit, then instead of kiting he would run back to him and get beat on. To make matters worse I think I had the brand on me for 3 or 4 of them. The fight took forever, I didn't want to heal, but if I didn't he was going to die and we would wipe. We got through it, but it was frustrating none the less.
After all that he wanted to goto HHoR, I politely declined and got out of Dodge.
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Yeah I never get trying to skip those mobs. Yes they are a pain, but trying to skip them is even worse.
Yeah, I just hate it when the group decides to go all "yeah let's just skip a bunch of mobs" and then one of the idiots doesn't quite figure it out and then we've got many groups on us and the tank doesn't notice and wipe time.
I bring you... another tank! Sgtpepper from Suramar last night in my newly 80 Warlock's (7th 80, a few days after my Druid hit 80) Heroic UK.
His gear level seemed to be right around my Prot Pally's (though a little less because his health was somewhat lower), he insisted on pulling almost the whole opening hallway at once and frequently would start moving groups of mobs as he was tanking them. I think he was trying to chain pull the place, kinda. It irked me a bit. His threat also wasn't fantastic, I wasn't pulling off of him, but I have 8 hours played at 80 on that character. Any of my well geared DPSers would've been ripping his threat to shreds.
After the first boss when you go through the mining hallway and then head up the stairs and the pack of three geists comes down at you, I happened to be a slight step ahead of the tank while running up the stairs and two of them aggroed me. He took the one he got and ran way forward while the geists murdered my ass. Then at the top of the switchback stairs, when we got down to one mob, he ran off into the second small mining hallway with all the ghouls and geists. Unfortunately, this meant that the remaining mob, who was almost dead, went evade mode and healed to full. Mobs outside can't pass that threshold and the mining hallway mobs can't come out of there either.
So after he picked up a bunch of the ghouls and geists, we killed them but couldn't get out of combat. He ran back do the doorway and tried to hit the now bugged mob with something, it evaded of course, but wouldn't break combat with us. I told him we had to go back outside the doorway in order to kill it, though he said forget it and went on to the second boss. I was really hoping no one died since we wouldn't be able to rez.
So, after the second boss at the top of that stairway switchback, he ran into the four mobs up there and didn't manage to ever really get control of the fight. The wolf jumped at the resto druid who ended up using Scare Beast to get it off of him after the pally didn't grab it, the other mobs were all over the place too. Somehow we handled it without a death and went on to finish the instance, pretty much without incident.
But then I was curious, so I pulled him up on the Armory. With maybe two exceptions, none of his gear is enchanted. He *really* fucking loves +Defense gems, puts them in everything, and the enchants he does have aren't very good, except for one appropriate one I think.
So I looked at his spec and ugh... his Prot part is 'ok', though he really should get rid of Divinity and Reckoning, then pick up Divine Guardian and definitely get fucking Judgements of the Just. Also drop the extra point in Spiritual Attunement. His Ret part however is pretty damn bad, 5/5 Benediction and 5/5 Conviction? No Improved Judgements, no Heart of the Crusader, no Pursuit of Justice and no Crusade?
And his glyphs are fucking horrible, Spiritual Attunement, Hammer of *Wrath*, and Consecration? The only way he could have worse glyphs is if he had Holy glyphs instead I think. Consecration even actively works against a proper rotation. Not sure why he just doesn't have a third minor glyph at all.
But yeah, interesting. Overall he isn't outright god awful, but he was trying to tank in a style he wasn't very good at and his awareness sucked.
Healers who don't keep up in H CoT deserve to be beaten to death. Hey guess what moron, this instance doesn't move at your slow-ass preferred pace.
Not only is it perfectly acceptable to be on the opposite side of the instance from the 4 others in your group staring at ever decreasing health bars it is also perfectly acceptable to go AFK in the middle of the respawing gauntlet section.
Last week that happened twice. First time a healer went afk for a "glass of milk" then a hunter went for dinner or something. I wasn't really paying that much attention to the hunter since he was dancing around all over my screen just popping instants pausing for the occasional auto shot the whole instance.
CoT has another screw with your group mechanic. Pugs like to start it before your group has fully zoned in. This actually happened in same pug as the hunter who went afk. A rogue decided it'd be a good idea to start it, dies along with a guildie then bitches that I don't res him. Never mind the fact I was stuck in combat from zombies who took fancy to me as I tried to res his ass.
Being realistic, I don't think it's possible to wipe in HCoS unless all 5 people are in nothing but greens and just dinged 80. We were getting the drake the same week we hit 80 back in November 08 with everybody in blues and me barely uncrittable with 20k unbuffed health on my Paladin tank, and there was never really a risk of a wipe. None of the bosses even have any challenging abilities in there.
Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
This. It's a very easy instance that has built in pacing. You don't have to zomg rush, but after you finish one group you move on to the next, and the people who get there first start without waiting. That's how this instance has always been done, way before we overgeared it.
Love: Got the Splintered Door of the Citadel on my Paladin, followed immediately by the ilvl 245 tanking ring.
Aargh: Got the T10 ilvl 251 robe for my Priest, then immediately realized the instant I slapped an enchant on it that the 264 robe for the same amount of frosts is probably better.
Hope: I get a sanctified token on my Priest in an ICC25 run.
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Being realistic, I don't think it's possible to wipe in HCoS unless all 5 people are in nothing but greens and just dinged 80. We were getting the drake the same week we hit 80 back in November 08 with everybody in blues and me barely uncrittable with 20k unbuffed health on my Paladin tank, and there was never really a risk of a wipe. None of the bosses even have any challenging abilities in there.
Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
This. It's a very easy instance that has built in pacing. You don't have to zomg rush, but after you finish one group you move on to the next, and the people who get there first start without waiting. That's how this instance has always been done, way before we overgeared it.
If a healer is running out of mana in that instance then the tank is wearing paper and the dps aren't managing their threat.
As a healer (or dps) I will sit and drink and then catch up to the tank when I think I am ready. If the tank dies while I am drinking from empty to about 80% of full then maybe the tank should have held off on attacking the next pack for a few seconds longer. You don't have to engage the next pack in CoS as soon as the last pack is dead, you can pause occasionally. And Arthas is so slow that when you reach the town hall a healer can drink between each fight and still be faster then him.
Being realistic, I don't think it's possible to wipe in HCoS unless all 5 people are in nothing but greens and just dinged 80. We were getting the drake the same week we hit 80 back in November 08 with everybody in blues and me barely uncrittable with 20k unbuffed health on my Paladin tank, and there was never really a risk of a wipe. None of the bosses even have any challenging abilities in there.
Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
This. It's a very easy instance that has built in pacing. You don't have to zomg rush, but after you finish one group you move on to the next, and the people who get there first start without waiting. That's how this instance has always been done, way before we overgeared it.
If a healer is running out of mana in that instance then the tank is wearing paper and the dps aren't managing their threat.
As a healer (or dps) I will sit and drink and then catch up to the tank when I think I am ready. If the tank dies while I am drinking from empty to about 80% of full then maybe the tank should have held off on attacking the next pack for a few seconds longer. You don't have to engage the next pack in CoS as soon as the last pack is dead, you can pause occasionally. And Arthas is so slow that when you reach the town hall a healer can drink between each fight and still be faster then him.
Had a healer once who refused to keep up with Arthas and bitched us out after we had an almost wipe (2/5 lived). We booted his worthless ass, I swapped to resto and we replaced DPS and finished.
Hate: crappy prima donna tanks in LFD groups
Kinda Happy? The server crashed sparing me any further goosery
Hate: We were on the last boss
I had a diva tank in a lowbie LFD today on my priest. I got an add on me (random pathing mob) and he said in group chat if I ever pulled again he was going to taunt off me and let me die.
So I stopped healing him. Guess who died first.
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Love: Some luck returning... first, on my 80 Warlock who just dinged a few days ago, I finally noticed that it'll let me queue for heroic ToC/FoS/PoS. While waiting for some friends to finish some things so I could get them into a FoS with me, I queued up for some of the dungeons I needed to run... ToC came up, though at first I assumed Heroic, but I'd forgotten that I still had regular on there. No luck on that one, but the group wanted to run again, so I did, since friends weren't quite ready yet anyway. Abyssal Rune finally dropped!
Got my friends together for the H FoS, needed Seethe and the Arcane Loops of Anger from Devourer, but we had to get a tank... luckily we got a Warrior, though unfortunately he apparently never tanked before. Even though he certainly must've DPSed the place. He let Bronjahm sit in nearly the center and never kited him around when the soul fragments came up, we never really had time to DPS them down. With me and my friend's warlock down, the rest of the fight took quite a while but they won, at this point a little argument started with one of my friends insulting the tank's ability. I just wanted to get through the thing and was worried about the tank being vindictive... but we got to Devourer and got through it with no problem. Seethe dropped! And the fucking Blood Weeper dagger that always drops as well.
Friends then switched around a couple characters and I grouped them back up in order to run H PoS, didn't need anything off Garfrost but two things from Ick would've been good and two things from Tyrannus. Ick dropped the cloth belt which was a pretty major upgrade (even though the belt from H HoR will end up replacing it, but I have to be able to get there first). Tyrannus bugged out on us, despite us letting him stand there for almost 5 seconds while he didn't aggro anything. Argh. We wiped and got back up there, killed him, got some plate piece and the cloth boots!
So now I just need FoS for the neck piece and PoS for the Nevermelting Ice Crystal really. Going very well so far.
Hate: crappy prima donna tanks in LFD groups
Kinda Happy? The server crashed sparing me any further goosery
Hate: We were on the last boss
I had a diva tank in a lowbie LFD today on my priest. I got an add on me (random pathing mob) and he said in group chat if I ever pulled again he was going to taunt off me and let me die.
So I stopped healing him. Guess who died first.
Dickhole tanks are never fun but honestly I have on various occasions informed people that if they taunt off me I will not taunt back.
I have Taunt Tattle though so I can tell if they actually taunted or if they just took aggro. I can deal with DPS taking aggro in a heroic; who cares, it happens, you can't train people to not open up with AOE before you can even tag a mob...well until Cataclysm.
But I have no patience for dumbass DPS who taunt either to be dicks or because they are too ignorant of enemy/boss mechanics to know the difference between aggro loss and a charge/intercept type move.
And even if I lost aggro let me taunt it back you tard (not you).
Then there is the occasional player that either ebayed their account or are so fucking stupid they don't realize that they are using taunts as part of their rotation. I tried to explain to a DK various times in a random HoL that Death Grip was not a damaging attack, that it was a taunt and to stop fucking using it in his attacks.
And yet he still constantly did it. He died on every pull between Ionar and Loken.
Hate: crappy prima donna tanks in LFD groups
Kinda Happy? The server crashed sparing me any further goosery
Hate: We were on the last boss
I had a diva tank in a lowbie LFD today on my priest. I got an add on me (random pathing mob) and he said in group chat if I ever pulled again he was going to taunt off me and let me die.
So I stopped healing him. Guess who died first.
Dickhole tanks are never fun but honestly I have on various occasions informed people that if they taunt off me I will not taunt back.
I have Taunt Tattle though so I can tell if they actually taunted or if they just took aggro. I can deal with DPS taking aggro in a heroic; who cares, it happens, you can't train people to not open up with AOE before you can even tag a mob...well until Cataclysm.
But I have no patience for dumbass DPS who taunt either to be dicks or because they are too ignorant of enemy/boss mechanics to know the difference between aggro loss and a charge/intercept type move.
And even if I lost aggro let me taunt it back you tard (not you).
Then there is the occasional player that either ebayed their account or are so fucking stupid they don't realize that they are using taunts as part of their rotation. I tried to explain to a DK various times in a random HoL that Death Grip was not a damaging attack, that it was a taunt and to stop fucking using it in his attacks.
And yet he still constantly did it. He died on every pull between Ionar and Loken.
Not my problem.
Yeah the difference here is I was healing, standing behind the group, and a random pat added onto me, I PW:S myself and ran into the consecration the tank had laid down where the add automatically agro'd onto him at that point and he didn't even have to switch targets. And still he thought he had to get all huffy about it.
So the fucker died, and deserved it. At which point he vote kicked me out of the group, but it didn't matter, cause I ignored him, and I'll never have to heal for him again.
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Then there is the occasional player that either ebayed their account or are so fucking stupid they don't realize that they are using taunts as part of their rotation. I tried to explain to a DK various times in a random HoL that Death Grip was not a damaging attack, that it was a taunt and to stop fucking using it in his attacks.
And yet he still constantly did it. He died on every pull between Ionar and Loken.
Not my problem.
The only time I will ever use Death Grip as a DPSer in a 5-man is if Warstomp is also available. Death Grip the mob to the tank, Warstomp to stun it, go back to whatever I was meant to be killing. So far the tanks I've had for HoR heroic have been pretty thankful for it. Then I'll switch to tank spec and go do something else afterwards, and find a Retridin who cannot help but use Hand of Reckoning for that little bit more DPS. Said Retridins tend to end up on the floor a lot.
EWom: Honestly it just sounds like the guy was pissy at himself for being unaware of a pat and wanted to blame it on you. It's pretty obvious when someone purposefully aggros another group or a pat jumps in.
Then there is the occasional player that either ebayed their account or are so fucking stupid they don't realize that they are using taunts as part of their rotation. I tried to explain to a DK various times in a random HoL that Death Grip was not a damaging attack, that it was a taunt and to stop fucking using it in his attacks.
And yet he still constantly did it. He died on every pull between Ionar and Loken.
Not my problem.
The only time I will ever use Death Grip as a DPSer in a 5-man is if Warstomp is also available. Death Grip the mob to the tank, Warstomp to stun it, go back to whatever I was meant to be killing. So far the tanks I've had for HoR heroic have been pretty thankful for it. Then I'll switch to tank spec and go do something else afterwards, and find a Retridin who cannot help but use Hand of Reckoning for that little bit more DPS. Said Retridins tend to end up on the floor a lot.
I will regularly ask a DK to DG something; particularly in HoR or those freaking spiders in ICC just to move things along.
If I know it's coming it's easy to just taunt off the DG and carry on.
This guy was just doing it because it was on his bar and thought he should. I've seen DK's DG and Chains of Ice as part of their rotation. While it's nice to start out at 55 it is also a massive headache to let someone who is terribad start that high.
Speaking of HoR; there is a pally in my guild that taunts all the freaking time when he's tanking trash. Constantly. Several people have pointed this out and asked him to stop. His reasoning is that "if he's not getting attacked he's not getting mana". Well aside from that not really being true unless he's using his skills very poorly, on aoe packs as a prot pally just simply attacking should get you at least one or two mobs at any given time and that shoudl be good enough. But nope, taunt taunt taunt. His mob dies? Taunt the next! Who cares who's tanking it or what is going on with facing etc. TAUNT. He claims he doesn't but we've pasted our chatlogs with taunt tattle and it's a wall of taunts. There's a warrior who does the same and I had the misfortune of tanking with both of them at the same time in ICC25; I couldn't even read raid/guild chat the taunts were going by so fast. They were constantly taunting off each other. They had no situational awareness to see that the mob was attacking a tank; or maybe didn't care, and just taunted. If the other lost aggro they'd taunt back, rinse repeat.
What a fucking headache. Tanks that don't realize taunts don't belong in your rotation are just as bad as dumb dps. I will occasionally use hand of reckoning tanking on a boss that I'm MT for but only when it's not attacking me; i.e. air phase of Sindragosa...even if she is on me when she takes off the mechanics consider her not technically attacking me so the damage triggers on HoR and I can just get a tid bit of damage on her. Blood Queen is like this too in her air phase.
A funny thing happened though with that one taunt happy pally; we were doing toravon one night after we commented about him taunting so much; he was Ret for the fight and about halfway through he taunted off me. While it was funny and sad at the same time I had to call him out in Vent because that was just amateur hour shit for a guy who fancies himself the guilds MT (never mind he's not, he's never been part of the progression raids and only has experience on farm; besides that any good raid tank realizes that most every boss in ICC in particular doesn't even have a MT; as the "OT" often an as important (or as in putricide more important) job than the "MT" or that the entire fight is 50/50 and there is no actual MT), and there isn't any good reason in a raid a ret pally should have HoR on their bars. No, there's no "well maybe..." here, a ret pally should not have HoR on their bar in a raid. If you want it on your bar put it on your like 5th bar that isn't assigned hot keys and don't touch that shit.
Rrgh: Just realized that it's been 13 months since Ulduar was released, which means it's also been 13 months since I last got a healing shield upgrade.
Love: Set up mouse over macros for healing spells last night. Soooooo much faster. I don't know why it took me so long to do that. Although my curse and poison removal spells dont work. Not sure if my macro is written wrong.
Lulls 1: Get a lot of comments on my Shaman when I zone in for instances. I have not played him since the end of the TBC. And I am in mostly TBC epics. It's kind of funny.
Lulls 2: Now that I remember how to heal as a Shaman it's gravy train again. It is kinda odd jumping between my Druid and Shaman since they heal completely differently.
Loathe: Not game related but the past two weeks have just been terribad and my faith in people to do the right thing when given every opportunity in the world is just beat down.
Man what a bunch of shitty ass tanks are starting to crop up.
I think it's a symptom of "hey good tanks are douches to me when I act like a goose, so that means if I make a tank, I can be a douche to everyone, regardless if they're being a goose!"
Or the semi-good tanks that are just geese anyways started it because they hop into a group with 50k hp and are all "man we'll never make it to the boss, look at this 4.5k GS nub dps and healer!" despite the fact that they probably won't even need to be healed.
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Suck it, wanker: in Wintergrasp, down south by the towers, me versus a tree druid with raid boss levels of hit points due to tenacity, keeping himself eternally alive.
Then we win WG and I give him a cold blood Mutilate, hit Prep and give him a cold blood Envenom. Boom, dead druid!
Rrgh: Just realized that it's been 13 months since Ulduar was released, which means it's also been 13 months since I last got a healing shield upgrade.
I want to personally express my sorrow at hearing this. Back in TBC, it took my wife over 6 months of doing ZA every week to get the healing shield out of there, and we didn't do 25 mans at the time so it was the only upgrade for her. She got the ToC10 shield I think the first time we killed Anub, hehe.
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Unless the healer is OOM he needs to shut his mouth and keep up with the pace of the rest of the group. I'm not sure why anybody would want to mosey through a heroic slower than necessary anyway, especially a random where you're not with friends potentially chatting.
I had a prob.. on my paly, just 80. It was tough. Youd run outta mana quick, and if that first boss, the mini patchwerk, kept hitting you with the stun thing, theres only so much you can do. Tho i do have, bubble/Every man. Real hell tho was Heroic UK.. F me that at 80. Fresh 80, that was the first thing i ran with my buddies. We were one of the first 80s on the server(Not the achievement wise, but server scan wise there were maybe like 10). Didnt read any strats, nothing. It was a pounding. We cleared it, and was epic, but i mean we had a lot of BC gear etc. I was running out of mana a lot, especially the first few pulls with the amount of trash. Things wouldnt die as fast. It was hell, but it was goddam fun.
Now other than a few occasions i can pretty much sleepwalk through anything. And lucky for me when the tank runs ahead beacon has a 60 yard range with no los issues etc so i get to look at the scenery.
I have no good reason for hating it, I just do. I dont when it happened either. I just know that when I queue up and I see that loading screen I cringe.
I remember you could move and position and get the mobs to fan out in an arc in front of you. Now they move pretty much on top of you and sometimes reposition at the back. So reposi.. STUN with 3 mobs at your back and dead.
We had a tank drop group after we didn't haul ass to the hill... this was after facerolling through every second of the instance with no one even getting below 3/4 health.
Really? Is potentially pulling both groups on the hill worth the 2 minutes it takes to kill them?
If your group is struggling and it will save a potential wipe, then maybe, but after steamrolling through the first 2/3 of the place you think he'd have a little more faith.
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Also I really feel as though you need to establish wether or not you are going to mount past them earlier than right as Ick dies. Suddenly announcing everyone needs to mount up and run by is almost always going to cause a wipe or cause the group to get split which again creates a wipe.
This. In my battlegroup maybe 10% of people try to skip it, and those 10% do not say anything to the other 90% before riding off.
The other day I was healing a tank that had like 30k hp fully buffed, I'm talking motw, king's drums, and fort scrolls. All of which I provided, I didn't really care. Yet he ran up the hill trying to skip them, but no one else did so we wiped and I rebuffed again. Then on Tyr, he would get kicked back and take the huge health hit, then instead of kiting he would run back to him and get beat on. To make matters worse I think I had the brand on me for 3 or 4 of them. The fight took forever, I didn't want to heal, but if I didn't he was going to die and we would wipe. We got through it, but it was frustrating none the less.
After all that he wanted to goto HHoR, I politely declined and got out of Dodge.
Yeah, I just hate it when the group decides to go all "yeah let's just skip a bunch of mobs" and then one of the idiots doesn't quite figure it out and then we've got many groups on us and the tank doesn't notice and wipe time.
His gear level seemed to be right around my Prot Pally's (though a little less because his health was somewhat lower), he insisted on pulling almost the whole opening hallway at once and frequently would start moving groups of mobs as he was tanking them. I think he was trying to chain pull the place, kinda. It irked me a bit. His threat also wasn't fantastic, I wasn't pulling off of him, but I have 8 hours played at 80 on that character. Any of my well geared DPSers would've been ripping his threat to shreds.
After the first boss when you go through the mining hallway and then head up the stairs and the pack of three geists comes down at you, I happened to be a slight step ahead of the tank while running up the stairs and two of them aggroed me. He took the one he got and ran way forward while the geists murdered my ass. Then at the top of the switchback stairs, when we got down to one mob, he ran off into the second small mining hallway with all the ghouls and geists. Unfortunately, this meant that the remaining mob, who was almost dead, went evade mode and healed to full. Mobs outside can't pass that threshold and the mining hallway mobs can't come out of there either.
So after he picked up a bunch of the ghouls and geists, we killed them but couldn't get out of combat. He ran back do the doorway and tried to hit the now bugged mob with something, it evaded of course, but wouldn't break combat with us. I told him we had to go back outside the doorway in order to kill it, though he said forget it and went on to the second boss. I was really hoping no one died since we wouldn't be able to rez.
So, after the second boss at the top of that stairway switchback, he ran into the four mobs up there and didn't manage to ever really get control of the fight. The wolf jumped at the resto druid who ended up using Scare Beast to get it off of him after the pally didn't grab it, the other mobs were all over the place too. Somehow we handled it without a death and went on to finish the instance, pretty much without incident.
But then I was curious, so I pulled him up on the Armory. With maybe two exceptions, none of his gear is enchanted. He *really* fucking loves +Defense gems, puts them in everything, and the enchants he does have aren't very good, except for one appropriate one I think.
So I looked at his spec and ugh... his Prot part is 'ok', though he really should get rid of Divinity and Reckoning, then pick up Divine Guardian and definitely get fucking Judgements of the Just. Also drop the extra point in Spiritual Attunement. His Ret part however is pretty damn bad, 5/5 Benediction and 5/5 Conviction? No Improved Judgements, no Heart of the Crusader, no Pursuit of Justice and no Crusade?
And his glyphs are fucking horrible, Spiritual Attunement, Hammer of *Wrath*, and Consecration? The only way he could have worse glyphs is if he had Holy glyphs instead I think. Consecration even actively works against a proper rotation. Not sure why he just doesn't have a third minor glyph at all.
But yeah, interesting. Overall he isn't outright god awful, but he was trying to tank in a style he wasn't very good at and his awareness sucked.
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I'm sorry you had to put up with him. When you said he was from Suramar, I was hoping he'd be Alliance.
Not only is it perfectly acceptable to be on the opposite side of the instance from the 4 others in your group staring at ever decreasing health bars it is also perfectly acceptable to go AFK in the middle of the respawing gauntlet section.
Last week that happened twice. First time a healer went afk for a "glass of milk" then a hunter went for dinner or something. I wasn't really paying that much attention to the hunter since he was dancing around all over my screen just popping instants pausing for the occasional auto shot the whole instance.
CoT has another screw with your group mechanic. Pugs like to start it before your group has fully zoned in. This actually happened in same pug as the hunter who went afk. A rogue decided it'd be a good idea to start it, dies along with a guildie then bitches that I don't res him. Never mind the fact I was stuck in combat from zombies who took fancy to me as I tried to res his ass.
I only know of a few Cyclone group PAers on Horde-side... always hope I'll run into one, but I doubt I'd know it if I did.
Also probably doesn't help that I don't even list my characters in a sig or anything... I should probably do that.
This. It's a very easy instance that has built in pacing. You don't have to zomg rush, but after you finish one group you move on to the next, and the people who get there first start without waiting. That's how this instance has always been done, way before we overgeared it.
Aargh: Got the T10 ilvl 251 robe for my Priest, then immediately realized the instant I slapped an enchant on it that the 264 robe for the same amount of frosts is probably better.
Hope: I get a sanctified token on my Priest in an ICC25 run.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
It will drop eventually, it took only took me 17 Tyrannus kills to get it, it dropped on my 12th run but I lost the roll to a Enhance shammy.
Edit: Was an enchance shammy
It seems to drop when several people are going to fight over it like the Black Heart
If a healer is running out of mana in that instance then the tank is wearing paper and the dps aren't managing their threat.
As a healer (or dps) I will sit and drink and then catch up to the tank when I think I am ready. If the tank dies while I am drinking from empty to about 80% of full then maybe the tank should have held off on attacking the next pack for a few seconds longer. You don't have to engage the next pack in CoS as soon as the last pack is dead, you can pause occasionally. And Arthas is so slow that when you reach the town hall a healer can drink between each fight and still be faster then him.
Kinda Happy? The server crashed sparing me any further goosery
Hate: We were on the last boss
Had a healer once who refused to keep up with Arthas and bitched us out after we had an almost wipe (2/5 lived). We booted his worthless ass, I swapped to resto and we replaced DPS and finished.
I had a diva tank in a lowbie LFD today on my priest. I got an add on me (random pathing mob) and he said in group chat if I ever pulled again he was going to taunt off me and let me die.
So I stopped healing him. Guess who died first.
Got my friends together for the H FoS, needed Seethe and the Arcane Loops of Anger from Devourer, but we had to get a tank... luckily we got a Warrior, though unfortunately he apparently never tanked before. Even though he certainly must've DPSed the place. He let Bronjahm sit in nearly the center and never kited him around when the soul fragments came up, we never really had time to DPS them down. With me and my friend's warlock down, the rest of the fight took quite a while but they won, at this point a little argument started with one of my friends insulting the tank's ability. I just wanted to get through the thing and was worried about the tank being vindictive... but we got to Devourer and got through it with no problem. Seethe dropped! And the fucking Blood Weeper dagger that always drops as well.
Friends then switched around a couple characters and I grouped them back up in order to run H PoS, didn't need anything off Garfrost but two things from Ick would've been good and two things from Tyrannus. Ick dropped the cloth belt which was a pretty major upgrade (even though the belt from H HoR will end up replacing it, but I have to be able to get there first). Tyrannus bugged out on us, despite us letting him stand there for almost 5 seconds while he didn't aggro anything. Argh. We wiped and got back up there, killed him, got some plate piece and the cloth boots!
So now I just need FoS for the neck piece and PoS for the Nevermelting Ice Crystal really. Going very well so far.
Dickhole tanks are never fun but honestly I have on various occasions informed people that if they taunt off me I will not taunt back.
I have Taunt Tattle though so I can tell if they actually taunted or if they just took aggro. I can deal with DPS taking aggro in a heroic; who cares, it happens, you can't train people to not open up with AOE before you can even tag a mob...well until Cataclysm.
But I have no patience for dumbass DPS who taunt either to be dicks or because they are too ignorant of enemy/boss mechanics to know the difference between aggro loss and a charge/intercept type move.
And even if I lost aggro let me taunt it back you tard (not you).
Then there is the occasional player that either ebayed their account or are so fucking stupid they don't realize that they are using taunts as part of their rotation. I tried to explain to a DK various times in a random HoL that Death Grip was not a damaging attack, that it was a taunt and to stop fucking using it in his attacks.
And yet he still constantly did it. He died on every pull between Ionar and Loken.
Not my problem.
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Yeah the difference here is I was healing, standing behind the group, and a random pat added onto me, I PW:S myself and ran into the consecration the tank had laid down where the add automatically agro'd onto him at that point and he didn't even have to switch targets. And still he thought he had to get all huffy about it.
So the fucker died, and deserved it. At which point he vote kicked me out of the group, but it didn't matter, cause I ignored him, and I'll never have to heal for him again.
The only time I will ever use Death Grip as a DPSer in a 5-man is if Warstomp is also available. Death Grip the mob to the tank, Warstomp to stun it, go back to whatever I was meant to be killing. So far the tanks I've had for HoR heroic have been pretty thankful for it. Then I'll switch to tank spec and go do something else afterwards, and find a Retridin who cannot help but use Hand of Reckoning for that little bit more DPS. Said Retridins tend to end up on the floor a lot.
I will regularly ask a DK to DG something; particularly in HoR or those freaking spiders in ICC just to move things along.
If I know it's coming it's easy to just taunt off the DG and carry on.
This guy was just doing it because it was on his bar and thought he should. I've seen DK's DG and Chains of Ice as part of their rotation. While it's nice to start out at 55 it is also a massive headache to let someone who is terribad start that high.
Speaking of HoR; there is a pally in my guild that taunts all the freaking time when he's tanking trash. Constantly. Several people have pointed this out and asked him to stop. His reasoning is that "if he's not getting attacked he's not getting mana". Well aside from that not really being true unless he's using his skills very poorly, on aoe packs as a prot pally just simply attacking should get you at least one or two mobs at any given time and that shoudl be good enough. But nope, taunt taunt taunt. His mob dies? Taunt the next! Who cares who's tanking it or what is going on with facing etc. TAUNT. He claims he doesn't but we've pasted our chatlogs with taunt tattle and it's a wall of taunts. There's a warrior who does the same and I had the misfortune of tanking with both of them at the same time in ICC25; I couldn't even read raid/guild chat the taunts were going by so fast. They were constantly taunting off each other. They had no situational awareness to see that the mob was attacking a tank; or maybe didn't care, and just taunted. If the other lost aggro they'd taunt back, rinse repeat.
What a fucking headache. Tanks that don't realize taunts don't belong in your rotation are just as bad as dumb dps. I will occasionally use hand of reckoning tanking on a boss that I'm MT for but only when it's not attacking me; i.e. air phase of Sindragosa...even if she is on me when she takes off the mechanics consider her not technically attacking me so the damage triggers on HoR and I can just get a tid bit of damage on her. Blood Queen is like this too in her air phase.
A funny thing happened though with that one taunt happy pally; we were doing toravon one night after we commented about him taunting so much; he was Ret for the fight and about halfway through he taunted off me. While it was funny and sad at the same time I had to call him out in Vent because that was just amateur hour shit for a guy who fancies himself the guilds MT (never mind he's not, he's never been part of the progression raids and only has experience on farm; besides that any good raid tank realizes that most every boss in ICC in particular doesn't even have a MT; as the "OT" often an as important (or as in putricide more important) job than the "MT" or that the entire fight is 50/50 and there is no actual MT), and there isn't any good reason in a raid a ret pally should have HoR on their bars. No, there's no "well maybe..." here, a ret pally should not have HoR on their bar in a raid. If you want it on your bar put it on your like 5th bar that isn't assigned hot keys and don't touch that shit.
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Loathe: I don't know which character to give it to
Steam Me
Love: That's every frost emblem upgrade for my main spec.
Loathe: I really don't want to sell my Darkmoon Card that it replaced. It cost me like 6k gold.
Loathe: Now I get to save up for 11 weeks to get all my frost emblem gear for my offspec.
Lulls 1: Get a lot of comments on my Shaman when I zone in for instances. I have not played him since the end of the TBC. And I am in mostly TBC epics. It's kind of funny.
Lulls 2: Now that I remember how to heal as a Shaman it's gravy train again. It is kinda odd jumping between my Druid and Shaman since they heal completely differently.
Loathe: Not game related but the past two weeks have just been terribad and my faith in people to do the right thing when given every opportunity in the world is just beat down.
I think it's a symptom of "hey good tanks are douches to me when I act like a goose, so that means if I make a tank, I can be a douche to everyone, regardless if they're being a goose!"
Or the semi-good tanks that are just geese anyways started it because they hop into a group with 50k hp and are all "man we'll never make it to the boss, look at this 4.5k GS nub dps and healer!" despite the fact that they probably won't even need to be healed.
Then we win WG and I give him a cold blood Mutilate, hit Prep and give him a cold blood Envenom. Boom, dead druid!
I want to personally express my sorrow at hearing this.