Love: Yay! lvl 80 Thanks guys for the quest hub suggestions. Did argent dailies and nailed out the last of my bars fairly quick!
Lovex2: Had a couple purples waiting for me, Gnut made me Lighting Infused Leggings and had enough badges for 1pc t9. Not a bad start for the first 5 mins of being 80 Now to save up for the crafted boots (name escapes, but they purty).
Loath: Ran a bunch of ToC5 for a chest piece and whatever else i could replace quest blues/greens. Still wearing my BoA Anyone need the black heart? Join my in TOC, seems like that is all it ever drops.... oh that or melee DPS mail/leather/cloth. Boo.
Lovex3: All this talk about prima tanks makes me happy as hell my BF brought his prot pally over to horde to tank for me
Love: Yay! lvl 80 Thanks guys for the quest hub suggestions. Did argent dailies and nailed out the last of my bars fairly quick!
Lovex2: Had a couple purples waiting for me, Gnut made me Lighting Infused Leggings and had enough badges for 1pc t9. Not a bad start for the first 5 mins of being 80 Now to save up for the crafted boots (name escapes, but they purty).
Loath: Ran a bunch of ToC5 for a chest piece and whatever else i could replace quest blues/greens. Still wearing my BoA Anyone need the black heart? Join my in TOC, seems like that is all it ever drops.... oh that or melee DPS mail/leather/cloth. Boo.
Lovex3: All this talk about prima tanks makes me happy as hell my BF brought his prot pally over to horde to tank for me
Black heart and Abyssal rune.. I've never seen those 2 drop so often as the last 2 days.
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Isn't taunting too much a killer as well in, like, half of the boss battles? I know for a fact Saurfang can go immune to taunts, and I'm fairly sure Toravon can as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for Festergut.
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- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Loathe - RL came up last night and I had to last minute tell my raid that I would be a couple hours late, apologize profusely at the late notice then bugger off to take care of business.
Love - Once I finally logged in 90 minutes after our start time I was whispered by the raid leader saying that as soon as they were done festergut my spot was open if I wanted it.. Really starting to my raid.
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Love: Patient people. Thank you patient people for putting up with my 28k prot pally in heroics.
As of yet the only person to pull aggro off me (mind you he was trying to because he's my bro and he does shit like that) is Gnutson. Mind you... I haven't had anyone above me in hitpoints yet except that one fury warrior in Gundrak.
Isn't taunting too much a killer as well in, like, half of the boss battles? I know for a fact Saurfang can go immune to taunts, and I'm fairly sure Toravon can as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for Festergut.
Yep, it works that way for pretty much every boss fight.
I know personally, that if we had this ret in our raids he'd be dying every pull because the healers would refuse to heal him :P
Love: Patient people. Thank you patient people for putting up with my 28k prot pally in heroics.
As of yet the only person to pull aggro off me (mind you he was trying to because he's my bro and he does shit like that) is Gnutson. Mind you... I haven't had anyone above me in hitpoints yet except that one fury warrior in Gundrak.
Trail by fire
I was impressed though at how much effort it took.
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I started DK tanking at 30k hp unbuffed a few days ago, haven't upgraded much gear since. Only heroic HoR (waves hit freaking hard) and PoS (The tunnel before Tyrranus) give real issues (FoS isn't bad at all, strangely enough).
I know a lot of prot pallys/ret pallys use hand of reckoning to taunt beceause it does DPS. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hmm, maybe they should just make it a damage ability like exorcism, but let you glyph it to taunt. With a minor glyph of course.
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Yep. I pulled them halfway up the stairs so that I could run to the next pack in time.
edit: Oh wait, I did stop at the top of the stairs to drop my vendor mammoth and sell junk, so it wasn't the ENTIRE run. The healer then bought 50 gold worth of drinks. Then we proceeded.
I know a lot of prot pallys/ret pallys use hand of reckoning to taunt beceause it does DPS. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hmm, maybe they should just make it a damage ability like exorcism, but let you glyph it to taunt. With a minor glyph of course.
Back in Ulduar (which was when I think HoR was first introduced), it still did damage even if the mob was taunt immune. I remember it being a big deal because of Vezax.
On a side note, I'm actually against a change like this. I really don't like glyphs that change an ability into another ability (see also: Glyph of Salvation).
Or just make it a prot talent, Hand of Reckoning could replace 1-handed sword specialization, and give both abilities with it, "Strengthens your natural ability to wield 1-handed weapons in name of the light, also gives you the ability to force a creature to attack you..." or something to get it out of the hands of a fucking ret paladin.
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Or just make it a prot talent, Hand of Reckoning could replace 1-handed sword specialization, and give both abilities with it, "Strengthens your natural ability to wield 1-handed weapons in name of the light, also gives you the ability to force a creature to attack you..." or something to get it out of the hands of a fucking ret paladin.
Or keep it off the GCD with a Prot talent, while Ret has to have it on the GCD. Though I guess Ret has a ton of free time anyway.
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It's a taunt and it doesn't need to be changed to on the GCD for this spec or anything like that. Ret Paladins just have to realize they don't get to hit it even if it is off the GCD and gives them more damage. It also gives them bonus death. Ret Paladins need to be able to tank in prot gear without respeccing if they feel like it, so the taunt itself shouldn't change, morons just have to not use it wrong. Besides, a good Ret Paladin might use it to taunt a mob off the healer and bring it towards the tank, similar to how a good DK will DG adds for the tank the same way. Of course I've always felt that Paladins should have had stances like a Warrior so that abilities like taunts couldn't be used unless you were in the right stance, but that would've been too easy.
I know a lot of prot pallys/ret pallys use hand of reckoning to taunt beceause it does DPS. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hmm, maybe they should just make it a damage ability like exorcism, but let you glyph it to taunt. With a minor glyph of course.
Back in Ulduar (which was when I think HoR was first introduced), it still did damage even if the mob was taunt immune. I remember it being a big deal because of Vezax.
On a side note, I'm actually against a change like this. I really don't like glyphs that change an ability into another ability (see also: Glyph of Salvation).
Wait, doesn't HoR do no damage if the mob is attacking you? So a prot pally using it on something he's tanking does nothing.
Man what a bunch of shitty ass tanks are starting to crop up.
I think it's a symptom of "hey good tanks are douches to me when I act like a goose, so that means if I make a tank, I can be a douche to everyone, regardless if they're being a goose!"
Or the semi-good tanks that are just geese anyways started it because they hop into a group with 50k hp and are all "man we'll never make it to the boss, look at this 4.5k GS nub dps and healer!" despite the fact that they probably won't even need to be healed.
This does remind me of the night before last when I got into a specifically queued H UK on my newly 80 Warlock. If I had to guess my GS was probably 3.5k or less, I use Elitist Group which said my average gear level at that point was like 196.
First five seconds into zoning into the dungeon and the tank says 'wow' and immediately leaves. So I open up Elitist Group and look at the other party members, they're all right around where I'm at or a *little* lower. So the guy bailed because the whole group was appropriately geared for a fucking original Heroic, and UK at that, one of the easiest. Unfortunately that one ended up falling apart completely after that, but geez.
Yeah I remember the Ret Pally's asking me which bosses had threat tables so they could leverage the damage boost when possible. Kologarn, Vezax, Tentacles during Yogg, razor scale prior to grounding, but yeah dipshits who decide to use that on tauntable bosses get to die.
I remember a Holy Paladin taunted KT off me not once but 3 times (making him immune) because they're other spec has that button set to something else (Cleanse I think) and kept mishitting it.
I think bad tanks are on the rise because DPS are all levelling tanks. Fast queues and all, because fuck DPS queues.
For all my tank buddies here, the light at the end of the tunnel is when you get in groups and not even 3 pulls in someone goes "oh thank god, a good tank."
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
I know a lot of prot pallys/ret pallys use hand of reckoning to taunt beceause it does DPS. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hmm, maybe they should just make it a damage ability like exorcism, but let you glyph it to taunt. With a minor glyph of course.
Back in Ulduar (which was when I think HoR was first introduced), it still did damage even if the mob was taunt immune. I remember it being a big deal because of Vezax.
On a side note, I'm actually against a change like this. I really don't like glyphs that change an ability into another ability (see also: Glyph of Salvation).
Wait, doesn't HoR do no damage if the mob is attacking you? So a prot pally using it on something he's tanking does nothing.
Initially it did damage even if the mob was targeting you and whether or not it was taunt immune.
People notice the bad tanks more now because it's super easy for anybody to get into a random heroic. Think back to before LFD. If your server didn't have a global chat channel people use for LFG type stuff then you either used the crappy LFG system, watched trade chat, watched the LFG chat, whatever, but the point is, you didn't group with nearly the number of people you have access to today.
Trust me, I've always played a tank, and back to TBC, whenever I'd pug Kara/ZA or whatever for fun on alts I always noticed the tanks on average were shitty. Tanking well is not a common thing. Playing well in general is not a common thing, but it's immediately noticeable with tanks. I do agree that part of it is dual spec and the LFG making many Paladins/Warriors/DKs/Druids who don't normally tank start to do it just for fast queues, whether or not they know what they're doing, but shitty tanks are not a new thing.
Yeah I remember the Ret Pally's asking me which bosses had threat tables so they could leverage the damage boost when possible. Kologarn, Vezax, Tentacles during Yogg, razor scale prior to grounding, but yeah dipshits who decide to use that on tauntable bosses get to die.
I remember a Holy Paladin taunted KT off me not once but 3 times (making him immune) because they're other spec has that button set to something else (Cleanse I think) and kept mishitting it.
I almost flipped a shit on them.
We had a holy pally do this on Putricide, he did it right before the phase1/2 transition so I didn't see the the target change. All throughout the tear gas he's going "I'm sorry oh god I'm sorry" and I had no idea why until the stun wears off and Putricide turns him into a smear before coming back to me.
I think bad tanks are on the rise because DPS are all levelling tanks. Fast queues and all, because fuck DPS queues.
For all my tank buddies here, the light at the end of the tunnel is when you get in groups and not even 3 pulls in someone goes "oh thank god, a good tank."
I liked my second run as a tank when I had this Warlock tell me, "Probably gonna wipe since Druids are the only real tanking class." This was at the launch for WotLK, I kindly pointed out that that was never true, especially not now. She proceeded to ST Nuke on every AOE pull, bitched at my shitty threat gen and ragequit when I replied with "Soul Shatter is your friend." her parting words were, "FUCK YOU DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS"
Still on the subject of bad tanks, I forgot my other amazing group last night. Still with my Warlock, queued specifically for H HoS to try and get a trinket to replace my damn 134 Green that I was still using (instead the last boss just dropped the Spark of Life three days in a row). As soon as I get in, I notice that the tank has already charged forward with like 47k HP and pulled the first pat of three, as well as the next caster and the two golems by the doorway.
The priest healing seems to be Disc at this point, and it got a little hairy because of the golems charging and doing their AoE burst and such, but we get the pull down eventually. The priest says wait because he has to change specs, so the tank waits about 10 seconds or so, long enough for the priest to change to holy, get some mana back before doing priest buffs which drops his mana back down to almost nothing, and then the tank charges into that circular room and pulls the first big giant and two of the three packs of dwarves. With the healer virtually oom.
People died, and as it gets down to the priest and tank being almost dead, I finally book it back to the entrance and *just* made it out. They get back in and everything so I teleport back to the dungeon. I notice that the tank, healer and one of the DPS are from the same guild. Ugh. He pretty much continues the stupid pulls through the entire instance (for some reason we did the whole thing instead of just the quick way, but whatever), including pulling that whole room of four golems where Brann's at... the ones that randomly charge ranged, but if you're standing close, they cleave like crazy and with four of them and the way they meander around the tank, you can never be sure which way they're facing. God I hate those golems.
Oh, and about that Warrior tank who didn't move Bronjahm at all in H FoS, my friend (who plays a Warrior Tank but was on *his* Warlock) started laying into him after, and the guy got defensive, somewhat understandably, and his retort was something like 'well maybe you should pick up that bad DPS'. My friend's lock has been 80 for a week or so longer than mine at least and has geared up pretty quickly. He's also Destro and does much better on trash, so I don't know if the guy was talking to him at the time or me, but if he was talking to me I *really* wanted to say something like "Well, my Lock here has only been 80 for like 10 hours played, what's your excuse?", considering he had obviously picked up a pretty good set of tanking gear in his travels.
Because he chose the greyscale option while making the signature. It's that way because he made it that way.
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I don't move Bron either. Mostly because when I'm on my paladin I'm rolling with at least two ICC geared dps, and an ICC geared healer doing dps as well.
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Lol: I had Bronjahm heal back to full from around 45% because the stupid ret paladin never got out of melee when he was targeted--and he was targeted about four times. Couple that with having a holy paladin healer and me as the only non-mana class in there, and it would've been boring if I didn't have to juggle all my CDs.
I don't move Bron either. Mostly because when I'm on my paladin I'm rolling with at least two ICC geared dps, and an ICC geared healer doing dps as well.
Good for you? Most don't run DPS that high in dungeons they can't even remotely get anything from. Though I bet you still tank Bron on an edge of the circle so that a DPS that gets targeted can move to the other side of the circle. This guy was tanking him almost in the middle, so you could never get *that* far away from him.
I find that melee DPS usually don't realize they're getting targeted, so as soon as I see him target somebody I run away so he'll chase me away, then I just kite him a bit if I see the DPS not switching targets, but usually at least one DPS stuns the thing/frost novas, etc.
LOL: I love when I get an easy heroic with ultra simple trash mobs(UK in this case). It was the random my wife and I got last night, and since she's the healer I just went ape shit. I mean I would AS a pull and hit them with a HoTR then just haul ass to the next room, up the stairs, etc. Not once the whole instance did I drop DP, and there was never a trash pack with less than 7 or 8 mobs. The poor warlock we had in there must've been brand new, because he kept putting up DoTs and using drain life on mobs as affliction, so the fury warrior and shadow priest did most of the DPS, but the spriest was OOM for the majority of the instance. I don't think I saw him use dispersion once though. I actually did let him drink for about 10 seconds before starting the last boss.
I can't wait until I get that place with a geared melee dps group so I can see how fast I can clear it in a perfect scenario. Even in that group last night we finished in 11 minutes.
I don't move Bron either. Mostly because when I'm on my paladin I'm rolling with at least two ICC geared dps, and an ICC geared healer doing dps as well.
Good for you? Most don't run DPS that high in dungeons they can't even remotely get anything from. Though I bet you still tank Bron on an edge of the circle so that a DPS that gets targeted can move to the other side of the circle. This guy was tanking him almost in the middle, so you could never get *that* far away from him.
Man if you weren't such a low GS goose you could drop him the instant he spawned. I'll be fucked if I'm moving from the middle.
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Also loathe: I was highest DPS, as the tank for the entire run.
It's funny this is a loathe for you. I can count on one hand the number of times I'm not the top damage done and dps as the tank nowadays. Since I'm a feral druid, I just cheat and wear my cat dps gear. I still have 36k buffed hp and it makes the dungeon go way faster. I'm probably averaging around 5500 dps over the course of the dungeon.
I don't understand when tanks are surprised if they're the top damage done for a whole run. On bosses it's one thing, but for trash, if you're not doing more damage than the DPS overall you're probably not doing a very good job of hitting your AoE abilities. I mean, if you're a Paladin you're ASing, Consecrating, HotRing 3 or 4 targets(if glyphed), Holy shield damage on every mob, and your shield slam and auto attack are hitting 3 targets with seal of command procs. And if you're a Warrior tclap/shockwave/pimp ass new revenge hitting like a truck on two targets, cleave, your damage is going to add way up. Plus you're getting a headstart on damage done on every single pull because the DPS has to wait to start AoEing until they think you have a handle on it.
Like I said, if DPSers are below the tank on bosses they're either in low gear or they're bad, but overall on trash tanks will usually be above even geared DPS, because the tank already has the trash mobs to 80% health before they even get to start AoEing. Obviously trash dps varies by class, but it's meaningless, which is why watching overall on recount doesn't really tell you anything.
I find that melee DPS usually don't realize they're getting targeted, so as soon as I see him target somebody I run away so he'll chase me away, then I just kite him a bit if I see the DPS not switching targets, but usually at least one DPS stuns the thing/frost novas, etc.
Actually, that's what I was doing--I tend to tank him in the center, so that ranged can stay at the entrance and I can run to the exact opposite side so melee can run to the ranged when they're targeted. Since he books it to me after casting anyway, it helps separate melee and me when they're targeted.
This guy wouldn't move, though, and he was right on top of him most of the time, so even though I pulled Bronjahm to the other side, the soul would be right on top of him when it spawned and healed him immediately.
Ya know, i've seen a lot of people play wow and I gotta say that a surprisingly large number of people play with low FPS laggy connections.
They just get a blur of shit going on their screen and they think "I'll just keep my rotation going and things will be ok." Introducing a mechanic into that fucks everyone up.
Just saying, not everyone is retarded, some just have shitty computers.
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Lovex2: Had a couple purples waiting for me, Gnut made me Lighting Infused Leggings
Loath: Ran a bunch of ToC5 for a chest piece and whatever else i could replace quest blues/greens. Still wearing my BoA
Lovex3: All this talk about prima tanks makes me happy as hell my BF brought his prot pally over to horde to tank for me
Black heart and Abyssal rune.. I've never seen those 2 drop so often as the last 2 days.
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Isn't taunting too much a killer as well in, like, half of the boss battles? I know for a fact Saurfang can go immune to taunts, and I'm fairly sure Toravon can as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for Festergut.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Love - Once I finally logged in 90 minutes after our start time I was whispered by the raid leader saying that as soon as they were done festergut my spot was open if I wanted it.. Really starting to
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As of yet the only person to pull aggro off me (mind you he was trying to because he's my bro and he does shit like that) is Gnutson. Mind you... I haven't had anyone above me in hitpoints yet except that one fury warrior in Gundrak.
Yep, it works that way for pretty much every boss fight.
I know personally, that if we had this ret in our raids he'd be dying every pull because the healers would refuse to heal him :P
Trail by fire
I was impressed though at how much effort it took.
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Also loathe: I was highest DPS, as the tank for the entire run.
Lol: I pulled it in an attempt to keep divine plea up for the entire dungeon. Other than the phase switching on the last boss, I did.
Is it that pack before that last set of stairs?
edit: Oh wait, I did stop at the top of the stairs to drop my vendor mammoth and sell junk, so it wasn't the ENTIRE run. The healer then bought 50 gold worth of drinks. Then we proceeded.
Back in Ulduar (which was when I think HoR was first introduced), it still did damage even if the mob was taunt immune. I remember it being a big deal because of Vezax.
On a side note, I'm actually against a change like this. I really don't like glyphs that change an ability into another ability (see also: Glyph of Salvation).
Or keep it off the GCD with a Prot talent, while Ret has to have it on the GCD. Though I guess Ret has a ton of free time anyway.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Wait, doesn't HoR do no damage if the mob is attacking you? So a prot pally using it on something he's tanking does nothing.
This does remind me of the night before last when I got into a specifically queued H UK on my newly 80 Warlock. If I had to guess my GS was probably 3.5k or less, I use Elitist Group which said my average gear level at that point was like 196.
First five seconds into zoning into the dungeon and the tank says 'wow' and immediately leaves. So I open up Elitist Group and look at the other party members, they're all right around where I'm at or a *little* lower. So the guy bailed because the whole group was appropriately geared for a fucking original Heroic, and UK at that, one of the easiest. Unfortunately that one ended up falling apart completely after that, but geez.
I remember a Holy Paladin taunted KT off me not once but 3 times (making him immune) because they're other spec has that button set to something else (Cleanse I think) and kept mishitting it.
I almost flipped a shit on them.
For all my tank buddies here, the light at the end of the tunnel is when you get in groups and not even 3 pulls in someone goes "oh thank god, a good tank."
Initially it did damage even if the mob was targeting you and whether or not it was taunt immune.
because you've retired the character or stopped raiding or something?
Trust me, I've always played a tank, and back to TBC, whenever I'd pug Kara/ZA or whatever for fun on alts I always noticed the tanks on average were shitty. Tanking well is not a common thing. Playing well in general is not a common thing, but it's immediately noticeable with tanks. I do agree that part of it is dual spec and the LFG making many Paladins/Warriors/DKs/Druids who don't normally tank start to do it just for fast queues, whether or not they know what they're doing, but shitty tanks are not a new thing.
We had a holy pally do this on Putricide, he did it right before the phase1/2 transition so I didn't see the the target change. All throughout the tear gas he's going "I'm sorry oh god I'm sorry" and I had no idea why until the stun wears off and Putricide turns him into a smear before coming back to me.
I liked my second run as a tank when I had this Warlock tell me, "Probably gonna wipe since Druids are the only real tanking class." This was at the launch for WotLK, I kindly pointed out that that was never true, especially not now. She proceeded to ST Nuke on every AOE pull, bitched at my shitty threat gen and ragequit when I replied with "Soul Shatter is your friend." her parting words were, "FUCK YOU DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS"
The priest healing seems to be Disc at this point, and it got a little hairy because of the golems charging and doing their AoE burst and such, but we get the pull down eventually. The priest says wait because he has to change specs, so the tank waits about 10 seconds or so, long enough for the priest to change to holy, get some mana back before doing priest buffs which drops his mana back down to almost nothing, and then the tank charges into that circular room and pulls the first big giant and two of the three packs of dwarves. With the healer virtually oom.
People died, and as it gets down to the priest and tank being almost dead, I finally book it back to the entrance and *just* made it out. They get back in and everything so I teleport back to the dungeon. I notice that the tank, healer and one of the DPS are from the same guild. Ugh. He pretty much continues the stupid pulls through the entire instance (for some reason we did the whole thing instead of just the quick way, but whatever), including pulling that whole room of four golems where Brann's at... the ones that randomly charge ranged, but if you're standing close, they cleave like crazy and with four of them and the way they meander around the tank, you can never be sure which way they're facing. God I hate those golems.
Oh, and about that Warrior tank who didn't move Bronjahm at all in H FoS, my friend (who plays a Warrior Tank but was on *his* Warlock) started laying into him after, and the guy got defensive, somewhat understandably, and his retort was something like 'well maybe you should pick up that bad DPS'. My friend's lock has been 80 for a week or so longer than mine at least and has geared up pretty quickly. He's also Destro and does much better on trash, so I don't know if the guy was talking to him at the time or me, but if he was talking to me I *really* wanted to say something like "Well, my Lock here has only been 80 for like 10 hours played, what's your excuse?", considering he had obviously picked up a pretty good set of tanking gear in his travels.
Meh.
I had a theory that it was because the sig generator stopped being able to find it on the armory, but I can find his character on the armory.
So I dunno either.
I actually just liked the greyscale look. Never thought much about that it looked greyed out heh.
In that case I should greyscale the alliance toons
And that sig generator doesn't actually check the armoury other than when you create the sig, it's just a snapshot of you at that minute.
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Good for you? Most don't run DPS that high in dungeons they can't even remotely get anything from. Though I bet you still tank Bron on an edge of the circle so that a DPS that gets targeted can move to the other side of the circle. This guy was tanking him almost in the middle, so you could never get *that* far away from him.
I can't wait until I get that place with a geared melee dps group so I can see how fast I can clear it in a perfect scenario. Even in that group last night we finished in 11 minutes.
Man if you weren't such a low GS goose you could drop him the instant he spawned. I'll be fucked if I'm moving from the middle.
Like I said, if DPSers are below the tank on bosses they're either in low gear or they're bad, but overall on trash tanks will usually be above even geared DPS, because the tank already has the trash mobs to 80% health before they even get to start AoEing. Obviously trash dps varies by class, but it's meaningless, which is why watching overall on recount doesn't really tell you anything.
Actually, that's what I was doing--I tend to tank him in the center, so that ranged can stay at the entrance and I can run to the exact opposite side so melee can run to the ranged when they're targeted. Since he books it to me after casting anyway, it helps separate melee and me when they're targeted.
This guy wouldn't move, though, and he was right on top of him most of the time, so even though I pulled Bronjahm to the other side, the soul would be right on top of him when it spawned and healed him immediately.
They just get a blur of shit going on their screen and they think "I'll just keep my rotation going and things will be ok." Introducing a mechanic into that fucks everyone up.
Just saying, not everyone is retarded, some just have shitty computers.