Shadow Complex had a pretty horrible and hole filled plot, but it was so much fun that I didn't really care. :P
If they announce SC2, I will be a happy camper.
If the cutscenes didn't keep intruding on the gameplay, it would be less of an issue. It's like the one thing they *didn't* copy from Metroid (unless you count Metroid Fusion, but surprise, that one was way too wordy!)
This. Besides I think the story was just get the girl kill the baddies? Sounds like some hot shit to me.
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Yea, Pachter didn't actually contradict himself there.
I'm not saying he did, I'm saying that if he knew that selling at less than $299 was a loss, why would he even make a comment about what will happen if PS3 + Move is sold at $249? Considering that's not happening or even hinted at from any source, and the situation he described there (the "Wii in a world of hurt") is super unlikely anyway.
The PSP2 is pretty much a non-starter unless Sony can somehow surprise us with something awesome and new. Then again they'll be more boned if they don't even show a half-assed PSP2 at E3.
And if you get right down to it, Shadow Complex barely had more plot than the non-RPG Mario games. "Some terrorists want to kidnap the United States. Are you a bad enough dude to etc." There were a few decent lines sprinkled about though, thanks to Larry David. But I'll agree, the connections with whoever that big-name writer is who is a political neanderthal didn't really do the game any favors.
Isaac Asimov?
Kidding kidding.
But the "Bad Dudes" joke made me suddenly wish that in Shadow Complex, he saved the girl and suddenly she says they should go out for burgers.
Actually I am conservative and even I found it untasteful...
Edit: And to add to what I was saying before - I would be totally cool with a plot of "there are bad guys, go beat them up with your awesome suit" without all the extra crap. That would have been so much better than what they did.
Yea, Pachter didn't actually contradict himself there.
I'm not saying he did, I'm saying that if he knew that selling at less than $299 was a loss, why would he even make a comment about what will happen if PS3 + Move is sold at $249? Considering that's not happening or even hinted at from any source, and the situation he described there (the "Wii in a world of hurt") is super unlikely anyway.
He had to pander to Neogaf, and his tune changes weekly along with the general attitude over there.
I thought we were used to this sort of thing by now. :P
Yea, Pachter didn't actually contradict himself there.
I'm not saying he did, I'm saying that if he knew that selling at less than $299 was a loss, why would he even make a comment about what will happen if PS3 + Move is sold at $249? Considering that's not happening or even hinted at from any source, and the situation he described there (the "Wii in a world of hurt") is super unlikely anyway.
He had to pander to Neogaf, and his tune changes weekly along with the general attitude over there.
I thought we were used to this sort of thing by now. :P
It's not like Pachter is just making this shit up as he goes along now, is it?
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
Hey now, I can't be too mad at any of the goosery that comes out of OSC's mouth. I mean he gave me Ender's Game, which I love. Some of his Ender spin off books aren't horrible either.
I mean he's no Frank Herbert, but he's written some entertaining stuff.
The PSP2 is pretty much a non-starter unless Sony can somehow surprise us with something awesome and new. Then again they'll be more boned if they don't even show a half-assed PSP2 at E3.
And if you get right down to it, Shadow Complex barely had more plot than the non-RPG Mario games. "Some terrorists want to kidnap the United States. Are you a bad enough dude to etc." There were a few decent lines sprinkled about though, thanks to Larry David. But I'll agree, the connections with whoever that big-name writer is who is a political neanderthal didn't really do the game any favors.
You mean Peter David, who writes comics. Not Larry David, who writes teevee.
And yes, all based on a Card novel written post brain collapse
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
The PSP2 is pretty much a non-starter unless Sony can somehow surprise us with something awesome and new. Then again they'll be more boned if they don't even show a half-assed PSP2 at E3.
And if you get right down to it, Shadow Complex barely had more plot than the non-RPG Mario games. "Some terrorists want to kidnap the United States. Are you a bad enough dude to etc." There were a few decent lines sprinkled about though, thanks to Larry David. But I'll agree, the connections with whoever that big-name writer is who is a political neanderthal didn't really do the game any favors.
You mean Peter David, who writes comics. Not Larry David, who writes teevee.
And yes, all based on a Card novel written post brain collapse
Did I really write Larry David? Ack.
Now I want a Shadow Complex starring the characters from Seinfeld. "What's the deal with this foam shooter? Did these guys think soldiers would enjoy a nice bubble bath in the middle of a war?"
Stupid things Sony could do with the PSP:
1. The same revival shit they did last year. Worked real well.
2. PSPhone. Just stupid.
3. A PSP2 that is like the DS except with better graphics.
I'm kind of hoping they do go a phone route with the PSP2, personally. My PSP has been sitting collecting dust for the past six months or so. I don't live in an area with mass transit (which is about normal in the western 2/3 of the US, outside of large cities), so the only time I get to play is during my lunch hour at work, or at home. If I'm at home, I would rather not play on a dinky screen with tinny audio.
The only reason I can see that the DS does well is because it's mostly targeted toward kids, who have more opportunities to play it (on the school bus, while riding in their parents' car, etc.). Without the teenage demographic, it's obvious the PSP is going to do poorly in America, simply because most adults don't have time to use it.
If they added telephony capabilities, I would be carrying it around anyway, and situations may present themselves where I could play games when I wouldn't have normally bothered bringing my PSP. If the next PSP is just another strictly-gaming handheld, I'll pass.
I play my DS on the porcelain throne and when going on a long trip somewhere and it's my wife's turn to drive.
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No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
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He actually thought he was playing a game of saving a girl from Cobra Commander the whole time, never once realizing he was actually doing it for realz!
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
I can totally live with a dumb plot, but making the evil army radical left-wingers was the only part of the game where I couldn't suspend disbelief. I've met radical left-wingers, they're just not that competent and organized.
GTA IV did not feel playful or tongue-in-cheek. Despite the incredible detail and environments the mechanics were poor, the plot was only functional on a micro level (unlike in GTA III - the setup there was tight) and, really, "Weasel News"? Yeah alright satire woooo.
Wake seems to be similar to FF XIII to me - overworked and lacking in focus or daring.
Edit: Caviar tastes like salty water with little crunchy bubbles in it. Whoppers are better, even though they are too bready and saucy like most fast-food burgers I know of.
But holy hell E3 is soon you guys we're all happy and excited together rah rah rah come on!
I refused to play GTA4 after learning that the protagonist is an ex-"ethnic cleanser".
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
I can totally live with a dumb plot, but making the evil army radical left-wingers was the only part of the game where I couldn't suspend disbelief. I've met radical left-wingers, they're just not that competent and organized.
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but apparently there's rumor of a new Goldeneye game coming out for Wii and DS. Before anyone gets too excited, it's being made by Activision.
“Given the track record of ‘hardcore’ Wii exclusives, I would bet that sales are underwhelming. It’s a funny thought to resurrect a 10 year-old brand – maybe longer – and keep it a Nintendo exclusive. It is unlike Activision to do an exclusive, and I am particularly surprised that they would do it with Goldeneye. I completely agree that most of the original audience is pretty hardcore, and think a Rare game on the 360 would have a better chance. Perhaps this is all due to the James Bond license, but… a Wii exclusive is odd.” – Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter
I refused to play GTA4 after learning that the protagonist is an ex-"ethnic cleanser".
Where did you hear this?
GTAIV had a protagonist that was basically a murdering psychopath. This was apparently different from all the other murdering psychopaths in that the one in GTAIV was involved in shadier shit before the game started.
Best not to question the relevance of a comment on a two week old post...
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but apparently there's rumor of a new Goldeneye game coming out for Wii and DS. Before anyone gets too excited, it's being made by Activision.
If this is real, I don't care about the Wii version if it doesn't have online play, but a DS version sounds really awesome especially if it has local wifi. No screen watching, and a really great game made portable.
I remember the supposed shitstorm people were giving Shadow Complex. "It was made by Orson Scott Card, the world's biggest bigot! I don't care if it's the best game ever, I'm not playing it and supporting him! Viva la morale high ground!".
Then it turns out they got the entire situation backwards. It was the devs who went to Card to write a book on their IP, and he really didn't have anything at all to do with the game. Guilty by association, it would seem.
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I refused to play GTA4 after learning that the protagonist is an ex-"ethnic cleanser".
Where did you hear this?
GTAIV had a protagonist that was basically a murdering psychopath. This was apparently different from all the other murdering psychopaths in that the one in GTAIV was involved in shadier shit before the game started.
Best not to question the relevance of a comment on a two week old post...
Yeah but "ethnic cleansing" was never brought up in that shady past
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
It's revealed that Socialists are trying to take over, your girlfriend is a secret spy, and you had latent kickassery abilities to take over the Shadow Complex it just took a damsel in distress to awaken them.
Considering you actually completed the game instead of at the beginning going "Oh shit, there's the Jeep. Holla at ya boy!" *credits roll*
I refused to play GTA4 after learning that the protagonist is an ex-"ethnic cleanser".
Where did you hear this?
GTAIV had a protagonist that was basically a murdering psychopath. This was apparently different from all the other murdering psychopaths in that the one in GTAIV was involved in shadier shit before the game started.
Best not to question the relevance of a comment on a two week old post...
Yeah but "ethnic cleansing" was never brought up in that shady past
He was in the military and then became a smuggler
I think there was something about when Niko was in the military he was involved in some kind of village massacre (it's been a while since I've played the main game, but I think it's why he's looking for 'that special someone'.)
But no, Niko was not actually an active 'ethnic cleanser'. Like I said, it's best not to pay attention to such a random response to a post over two weeks and 60 pages ago. Even one as crazily wrong and misinformed as that one was.
So chances are high that he's a former Communist active during the Third Balkan War. If so, then yeah, he probably raped and killed a bunch of people because they weren't the right ethnicity/religion.
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
COBRA kidnapped Fumbles' girlfriend.
Someone on here wrote 'nathan drake and his girlfriend go camping. She gets kidnapped by Cobra, and he becomes Iron Man.'
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
COBRA kidnapped Fumbles' girlfriend.
Someone on here wrote 'nathan drake and his girlfriend go camping. She gets kidnapped by Cobra, and he becomes Iron Man.'
I was pretty interested in Niko until he jumped right back into causing mayhem and death and destruction with nary a conflicted thought. (At least at the beginning, I gave up on the game after the home base moves.)
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It's not that they cared about the plot, it's that they cared about the fact that what was offered up as "plot" was pretty terrible.
This. Besides I think the story was just get the girl kill the baddies? Sounds like some hot shit to me.
If the cutscenes didn't keep intruding on the gameplay, it would be less of an issue. It's like the one thing they *didn't* copy from Metroid (unless you count Metroid Fusion, but surprise, that one was way too wordy!)
Edit:
No, it was some neo-conservative bullcrap involving some random cobra-commander ripoff guy trying to take over the US and then his girlfriend was a secret agent and she brought him to the cave because she knew he would be able to infiltrate it or something... the whole thing makes my head hurt just trying to remember it...
I'm not saying he did, I'm saying that if he knew that selling at less than $299 was a loss, why would he even make a comment about what will happen if PS3 + Move is sold at $249? Considering that's not happening or even hinted at from any source, and the situation he described there (the "Wii in a world of hurt") is super unlikely anyway.
Isaac Asimov?
Kidding kidding.
But the "Bad Dudes" joke made me suddenly wish that in Shadow Complex, he saved the girl and suddenly she says they should go out for burgers.
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Actually I am conservative and even I found it untasteful...
Edit: And to add to what I was saying before - I would be totally cool with a plot of "there are bad guys, go beat them up with your awesome suit" without all the extra crap. That would have been so much better than what they did.
He had to pander to Neogaf, and his tune changes weekly along with the general attitude over there.
I thought we were used to this sort of thing by now. :P
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It was being published by Epic.
It's not like Pachter is just making this shit up as he goes along now, is it?
Actually said bullcrap doesn't make any sort of appearance in the game proper; you had to read the novel tie-in to get that. Otherwise you can easily pretend they're a branch of COBRA with more subdued fashion sense or something.
Orson Scott Card! That's the guy.
Here I am...EATING SUSHI IN JAPAN!
Hey now, I can't be too mad at any of the goosery that comes out of OSC's mouth. I mean he gave me Ender's Game, which I love. Some of his Ender spin off books aren't horrible either.
I mean he's no Frank Herbert, but he's written some entertaining stuff.
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You mean Peter David, who writes comics. Not Larry David, who writes teevee.
And yes, all based on a Card novel written post brain collapse
There are hints of it in-game. But mostly the plot itself was just dumb. They should have just left it at COBRA kidnapping his girlfriend.
Did I really write Larry David? Ack.
Now I want a Shadow Complex starring the characters from Seinfeld. "What's the deal with this foam shooter? Did these guys think soldiers would enjoy a nice bubble bath in the middle of a war?"
COBRA kidnapped Fumbles' girlfriend.
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I refused to play GTA4 after learning that the protagonist is an ex-"ethnic cleanser".
Soviet Union says hi?
Where did you hear this?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/activision-goldeneye-game-in-november
Edit: Also, apparently everybody's favorite brain damaged analyst missed the whole Goldeneye XBLA issue a while back. http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80300/pachter-goldeneye-wii-sales-will-be-disappointing/
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GTAIV had a protagonist that was basically a murdering psychopath. This was apparently different from all the other murdering psychopaths in that the one in GTAIV was involved in shadier shit before the game started.
Best not to question the relevance of a comment on a two week old post...
If this is real, I don't care about the Wii version if it doesn't have online play, but a DS version sounds really awesome especially if it has local wifi. No screen watching, and a really great game made portable.
Then it turns out they got the entire situation backwards. It was the devs who went to Card to write a book on their IP, and he really didn't have anything at all to do with the game. Guilty by association, it would seem.
Yeah but "ethnic cleansing" was never brought up in that shady past
He was in the military and then became a smuggler
It's revealed that Socialists are trying to take over, your girlfriend is a secret spy, and you had latent kickassery abilities to take over the Shadow Complex it just took a damsel in distress to awaken them.
Considering you actually completed the game instead of at the beginning going "Oh shit, there's the Jeep. Holla at ya boy!" *credits roll*
My bad.
I think there was something about when Niko was in the military he was involved in some kind of village massacre (it's been a while since I've played the main game, but I think it's why he's looking for 'that special someone'.)
But no, Niko was not actually an active 'ethnic cleanser'. Like I said, it's best not to pay attention to such a random response to a post over two weeks and 60 pages ago. Even one as crazily wrong and misinformed as that one was.
So chances are high that he's a former Communist active during the Third Balkan War. If so, then yeah, he probably raped and killed a bunch of people because they weren't the right ethnicity/religion.
Someone on here wrote 'nathan drake and his girlfriend go camping. She gets kidnapped by Cobra, and he becomes Iron Man.'
so
i guess we're supposed to like him for that!
That's still scarily accurate.
I'd have him over for dinner
He would probably have trouble finding the place
At least, a leetle