So hey, I kept meaning to ask this earlier, but especially as someone who likes to kill time during the night cycle by playing a few hands of Texas Hold 'Em: isn't the anti-semitism just a little bit overdone? I mean, I get that it's the 19th century and all, and people held some pretty fucked-up prejudices, but since the developers are still treating anti-black racism more or less as a taboo (unless I just haven't gotten to the part with some crazy Confederate veterans who constantly bitch about n****rs) it seems kinda like the implication it's unintentionally making about the 21st century is that it's much more socially-acceptable to be casually-prejudiced against Jews than against blacks.
Which I'd kind of like to think isn't actually true.
Yes, Rockstar is unintentionally implying that it is cool to hate jewish people.
That was pretty damn intense. John went out like any good western anti-hero, guns blazing. I just wish I could have plugged that fed bastard before I died.
Am I right in assuming that Jack is just a free roam avatar, or are there actual missions that are going to be popping up wherein I take vengeance for my pa?
A visit to the charming port of Blackwater might be a welcome change. A young boy like Jack should see the hustle and bustle of city life at least once.
That was pretty damn intense. John went out like any good western anti-hero, guns blazing. I just wish I could have plugged that fed bastard before I died.
Am I right in assuming that Jack is just a free roam avatar, or are there actual missions that are going to be popping up wherein I take vengeance for my pa?
A visit to the charming port of Blackwater might be a welcome change. A young boy like Jack should see the hustle and bustle of city life at least once.
Hint hint
Ok, I'll try that. My first trip was to Bonnie's Ranch to see if she's still around. I'll head up blackwater way here once I finish this sidequest.
Ugh. People seem to be treating Free Roam like deathmatch. Dicks.
Did you really expect them not to?
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"now I've got this mental image of caucuses as cafeteria tables in prison, and new congressmen having to beat someone up on inauguration day." - Raiden333
I haven't been able to read any of the thread because you bastards post too fast and I'm spending that time playing the game. I will say, however, that the only way to play is with expert targeting mode and minimap off. Makes the game 100x better.
I haven't been able to read any of the thread because you bastards post too fast and I'm spending that time playing the game. I will say, however, that the only way to play is with expert targeting mode and minimap off. Makes the game 100x better.
Hyper accurate enemies shooting me from miles away. But now I have no idea where they are. Sounds great
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KadokenGiving Ends to my Friends and it Feels StupendousRegistered Userregular
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I have to agree a bit with him. I'd probaly get my ass chewed off by cougars or wolves if the normal setting didn't pinpoint them, and the only reason I can't see them is either because the shrubbery blocks them, or they blend in with the land.
Anyone know what a transparent stranger icon means? I've been checking the location at all times of day, but the character is never there. Also, the icon will only show on the pause menu map, not the minimap. Am I bugged?
Anyone know what a transparent stranger icon means? I've been checking the location at all times of day, but the character is never there. Also, the icon will only show on the pause menu map, not the minimap. Am I bugged?
I just started so I'm not sure, but I think transparent means they only show up at a certain time of day. Generally day time or night time.
Anyway, that's how it works with the nightwatch missions at Bonnie's Ranch.
Ugh. People seem to be treating Free Roam like deathmatch. Dicks.
Honestly it wouldn't be nearly so bad if it didn't seem like you were always automatically spawned within sight of the person who just ambushed you so he can go ahead and ambush you again. I'm hoping that at some point in a future patch they'll give some control over where you spawn (like, press A to spawn in the same area, press B to spawn next to your posse leader, press Y to select a town to spawn in, press X to go to the outfitter so you can keep your head low for a few minutes).
I'll second that.
I've had a few instances where I died and spawned, only to be killed by the same person.
But at the same time, I've done worse then was done to me - some dude and his friend kept sniping my posse as we were trying to do a Hideout. We ended up getting pissed and mounting up to take them out. They kept re-spawning and sniping us.
After a while his buddy left so it was only him. I ended up just spawn camping him, like right as his dot poped up on the minimap I'd run over and shoot him.
It got to the point where it was a 20+ kill streak on the same fucking dude. E-Asshole? Yea. Broken system? Yup.
So hey, I kept meaning to ask this earlier, but especially as someone who likes to kill time during the night cycle by playing a few hands of Texas Hold 'Em: isn't the anti-semitism just a little bit overdone? I mean, I get that it's the 19th century and all, and people held some pretty fucked-up prejudices, but since the developers are still treating anti-black racism more or less as a taboo (unless I just haven't gotten to the part with some crazy Confederate veterans who constantly bitch about n****rs) it seems kinda like the implication it's unintentionally making about the 21st century is that it's much more socially-acceptable to be casually-prejudiced against Jews than against blacks.
Which I'd kind of like to think isn't actually true.
Yes, Rockstar is unintentionally implying that it is cool to hate jewish people.
You got it.
Maybe for the remainder of this iteration of the RDR thread we can all agree that everyone here has the capacity to completely take anything out of context in a cheap and immature attempt to make something sound stupid so that the replying individual feels irrationally smarter or better about himself? That way, no one will feel like it's necessary to demonstrate his ability to the rest of the folks posting in this thread.
I never said that the game is implying that antisemitism is cool (and you know it), I only said that it makes me wonder whether Rockstar believes that casually portraying anti-Semitic stereotypes will elicit less outrage than casually portraying anti-black stereotypes. Which would explain why you can hear the poker players in the game say something like, "The Southwest Railroad Company's just a scheme for the Jews conspiring to take over the country" (or something to that effect) whereas they won't directly venture into any of the stereotypes that were commonly held about black people in the 19th century. The closest you get is the occasional statement, "You'll believe anything I say because I'm white!" Which does indirectly imply that people in the 19th century believed that blacks, Asians and American Indians were not trustworthy, but its "I've got a bridge to sell you!" tone is more-directly mocking of that belief.
It's fairly clear, I think, that the game is mocking all of these outdated prejudices; I just think it's interesting that they don't tread as lightly on the anti-Semitic stereotypes as they do on the anti-black stereotypes. I'm wondering what that says about the audience they considered when making the game; do they think we can stomach overt antisemitism to a different extent than we can stomach anti-black racism? And if that is their opinion of us, is it true?
So hey, I kept meaning to ask this earlier, but especially as someone who likes to kill time during the night cycle by playing a few hands of Texas Hold 'Em: isn't the anti-semitism just a little bit overdone? I mean, I get that it's the 19th century and all, and people held some pretty fucked-up prejudices, but since the developers are still treating anti-black racism more or less as a taboo (unless I just haven't gotten to the part with some crazy Confederate veterans who constantly bitch about n****rs) it seems kinda like the implication it's unintentionally making about the 21st century is that it's much more socially-acceptable to be casually-prejudiced against Jews than against blacks.
Which I'd kind of like to think isn't actually true.
Yes, Rockstar is unintentionally implying that it is cool to hate jewish people.
You got it.
Maybe for the remainder of this iteration of the RDR thread we can all agree that everyone here has the capacity to completely take anything out of context in a cheap and immature attempt to make something sound stupid so that the replying individual feels irrationally smarter or better about himself? That way, no one will feel like it's necessary to demonstrate his ability to the rest of the folks posting in this thread.
I never said that the game is implying that antisemitism is cool (and you know it), I only said that it makes me wonder whether Rockstar believes that casually portraying anti-Semitic stereotypes will elicit less outrage than casually portraying anti-black stereotypes. Which would explain why you can hear the poker players in the game say something like, "The Southwest Railroad Company's just a scheme for the Jews conspiring to take over the country" (or something to that effect) whereas they won't directly venture into any of the stereotypes that were commonly held about black people in the 19th century. The closest you get is the occasional statement, "You'll believe anything I say because I'm white!" Which does indirectly imply that people in the 19th century believed that blacks, Asians and American Indians were not trustworthy, but its "I've got a bridge to sell you!" tone is more-directly mocking of that belief.
It's fairly clear, I think, that the game is mocking all of these outdated prejudices; I just think it's interesting that they don't tread as lightly on the anti-Semitic stereotypes as they do on the anti-black stereotypes. I'm wondering what that says about the audience they considered when making the game; do they think we can stomach overt antisemitism to a different extent than we can stomach anti-black racism? And if that is their opinion of us, is it true?
Yeah because the killing of my people, the indians, doesnt ever happen either. I have see so many people bitching about the opening of the damn game as well... Its a friggen game.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
"No Jew posts in this thread!"
I agree that I was at first very baffled by hearing those things being said ( I actually thought I misheard at first ) but then I realized that it's the typical Rockstar mockery of real life social problems.
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MrVyngaardLive From New EtoileStraight Outta SosariaRegistered Userregular
edited May 2010
I want to do painful things to the person who made the AI for the boars.
Oh, cougars, right whatever.
Boars are the bloody DEVIL in packs.
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"now I've got this mental image of caucuses as cafeteria tables in prison, and new congressmen having to beat someone up on inauguration day." - Raiden333
So hey, I kept meaning to ask this earlier, but especially as someone who likes to kill time during the night cycle by playing a few hands of Texas Hold 'Em: isn't the anti-semitism just a little bit overdone? I mean, I get that it's the 19th century and all, and people held some pretty fucked-up prejudices, but since the developers are still treating anti-black racism more or less as a taboo (unless I just haven't gotten to the part with some crazy Confederate veterans who constantly bitch about n****rs) it seems kinda like the implication it's unintentionally making about the 21st century is that it's much more socially-acceptable to be casually-prejudiced against Jews than against blacks.
Which I'd kind of like to think isn't actually true.
Yes, Rockstar is unintentionally implying that it is cool to hate jewish people.
You got it.
Maybe for the remainder of this iteration of the RDR thread we can all agree that everyone here has the capacity to completely take anything out of context in a cheap and immature attempt to make something sound stupid so that the replying individual feels irrationally smarter or better about himself? That way, no one will feel like it's necessary to demonstrate his ability to the rest of the folks posting in this thread.
I never said that the game is implying that antisemitism is cool (and you know it), I only said that it makes me wonder whether Rockstar believes that casually portraying anti-Semitic stereotypes will elicit less outrage than casually portraying anti-black stereotypes. Which would explain why you can hear the poker players in the game say something like, "The Southwest Railroad Company's just a scheme for the Jews conspiring to take over the country" (or something to that effect) whereas they won't directly venture into any of the stereotypes that were commonly held about black people in the 19th century. The closest you get is the occasional statement, "You'll believe anything I say because I'm white!" Which does indirectly imply that people in the 19th century believed that blacks, Asians and American Indians were not trustworthy, but its "I've got a bridge to sell you!" tone is more-directly mocking of that belief.
It's fairly clear, I think, that the game is mocking all of these outdated prejudices; I just think it's interesting that they don't tread as lightly on the anti-Semitic stereotypes as they do on the anti-black stereotypes. I'm wondering what that says about the audience they considered when making the game; do they think we can stomach overt antisemitism to a different extent than we can stomach anti-black racism? And if that is their opinion of us, is it true?
Yeah because the killing of my people, the indians, doesnt ever happen either. I have see so many people bitching about the opening of the damn game as well... Its a friggen game.
A game made by Rockstar, a development house that built itself on parodying the real world to bring up all the fucked up shit we, as a society, do.
Examining their intent in one of their social-commentaries-for-a-game sandbox titles is perfectly fine. Encouraged even; helps people ignorant of the fact that video games can be just as significant social commentaries as movies or books.
And if you don't understand this, try option B.
Hur, you're right - it's just a video game brah! Chill out with all this racism stuff, and just have fun and shoot [strike] indians [/strike] [strike] jews! [/strike] MINORITIES Hahaha!
got together with some of the PA hockey folks and we punched some bears. Also holed up in a bar and let the bounty skyrocket.. got mine high enough to get named "Public Enemy" and got an avatar unlock for it.
I recently started GTA4 and am mid way through the game. This is just feels way more than GTA on horses.
So are there any particularly evil crimes that give a huge bounty? I'm plinking away at an achievement and wondering if there's some dastardly crime I can commit for a huge boost to my status as a wanted man.
Hurray, my copy from Amazon finally arrived! I'm going to check out the campaign today, but starting tomorrow if you see me online definitely feel free to shoot me an invite for whatever. I'm on the PA XBL tag, or feel free to shoot me a friend request.
Speaking of Amazon orders, has anyone gotten the $20 credit yet? I got my golden guns e-mail a couple days ago, and noticed a slip in the box with the code as well. No sign of the credit yet, though. I know it can take up to 10 days, but was curious if anyone got their credit yet.
Default horse was the horse with no name.
Got Kentucky Saddler from the Bonnie mission, named Serenity. It dies to a Bandito attack much later.
Replacement horse is Patches, ugly as shit painted horse. I shoot it in the head a few game days later.
Patches is replaced by Red, who is kinda reddish brownish. Red survives until I get...
Blondie, another Saddler. Blondie dies when I take a wrong turn while trying to bring a $600 dollar bounty back alive, and is shot out form under me by the bounty's gang as I am cornered atop a mountain.
Blondie is replaced very shortly by Tuco, another saddler, who has just now been exchanged for Angel Eyes, and American Standardbred.
I'm around 95% now. But I don't know if I'll be able to get 100% because I didn't do "I Know You" stranger quest before I beat the game, and now it's apparently impossible to do it after.
Why is that? Is there something wrong with a man riding in a train?
I imagine what he was specifically talking about (as an American Indian) was the discussion between the preacher and the young woman about Manifest Destiny and the civilizing of the "savage peoples of the West," which holds the implication that the American Indians didn't already have a civilization which just happened to be different from what European immigrants considered civilization. Which actually is the sort of thing Americans believed at the time (it's the progenitor of the idea of American Exceptionalism that gets dusted off every couple years during election years and which always infuriates pretty much everyone else in the world).
One of the criticisms you could potentially level at the game would be that they never explore the contrast between 19th century stereotypes of the American Indians versus what their cultures and communities were actually like. Which is fine, I guess; this game's trying to be more "A Fistful of Dollars" than "Dances with Wolves." But the game's really relying on the player's familiarity with American history in order to spot the subtleties in that conversation (and a lot of others).
There had better be some goddamn way to tell what I'm missing.
Rockstar Social Club. There's literally a big honking map with all the places in the game marked, telling you whether or not you've found them yet.
Seriously. Rockstar Social Club. Join it. It will answer every single question you have about the game. It will tell you EXACTLY what you have left to do to get 100%.
We've had more than enough noble savage Indians in games particularly to last a lifetime. I'd be more interested in seeing a shyster Indian like the Shylock in the Merchant of Venice. A guy who's a cold hearten bastard, but who made him that way? That's quite a bit more subtle a commentary than yet another, "Indian life was perfect before the white man ruined it," character.
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Yes, Rockstar is unintentionally implying that it is cool to hate jewish people.
You got it.
GT: batshido, hit me up.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Hint hint
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Did you really expect them not to?
Hyper accurate enemies shooting me from miles away. But now I have no idea where they are. Sounds great
Go to them. There will be someone just outside the hideout who you can talk to the start the quest proper/get your reward.
And I believe you have to have completed the hangout in the story mode.
I just started so I'm not sure, but I think transparent means they only show up at a certain time of day. Generally day time or night time.
Anyway, that's how it works with the nightwatch missions at Bonnie's Ranch.
I'll second that.
I've had a few instances where I died and spawned, only to be killed by the same person.
But at the same time, I've done worse then was done to me - some dude and his friend kept sniping my posse as we were trying to do a Hideout. We ended up getting pissed and mounting up to take them out. They kept re-spawning and sniping us.
After a while his buddy left so it was only him. I ended up just spawn camping him, like right as his dot poped up on the minimap I'd run over and shoot him.
It got to the point where it was a 20+ kill streak on the same fucking dude. E-Asshole? Yea. Broken system? Yup.
Maybe for the remainder of this iteration of the RDR thread we can all agree that everyone here has the capacity to completely take anything out of context in a cheap and immature attempt to make something sound stupid so that the replying individual feels irrationally smarter or better about himself? That way, no one will feel like it's necessary to demonstrate his ability to the rest of the folks posting in this thread.
I never said that the game is implying that antisemitism is cool (and you know it), I only said that it makes me wonder whether Rockstar believes that casually portraying anti-Semitic stereotypes will elicit less outrage than casually portraying anti-black stereotypes. Which would explain why you can hear the poker players in the game say something like, "The Southwest Railroad Company's just a scheme for the Jews conspiring to take over the country" (or something to that effect) whereas they won't directly venture into any of the stereotypes that were commonly held about black people in the 19th century. The closest you get is the occasional statement, "You'll believe anything I say because I'm white!" Which does indirectly imply that people in the 19th century believed that blacks, Asians and American Indians were not trustworthy, but its "I've got a bridge to sell you!" tone is more-directly mocking of that belief.
It's fairly clear, I think, that the game is mocking all of these outdated prejudices; I just think it's interesting that they don't tread as lightly on the anti-Semitic stereotypes as they do on the anti-black stereotypes. I'm wondering what that says about the audience they considered when making the game; do they think we can stomach overt antisemitism to a different extent than we can stomach anti-black racism? And if that is their opinion of us, is it true?
Thanks.
Yeah because the killing of my people, the indians, doesnt ever happen either. I have see so many people bitching about the opening of the damn game as well... Its a friggen game.
I agree that I was at first very baffled by hearing those things being said ( I actually thought I misheard at first ) but then I realized that it's the typical Rockstar mockery of real life social problems.
Oh, cougars, right whatever.
Boars are the bloody DEVIL in packs.
A game made by Rockstar, a development house that built itself on parodying the real world to bring up all the fucked up shit we, as a society, do.
Examining their intent in one of their social-commentaries-for-a-game sandbox titles is perfectly fine. Encouraged even; helps people ignorant of the fact that video games can be just as significant social commentaries as movies or books.
And if you don't understand this, try option B.
got together with some of the PA hockey folks and we punched some bears. Also holed up in a bar and let the bounty skyrocket.. got mine high enough to get named "Public Enemy" and got an avatar unlock for it.
I recently started GTA4 and am mid way through the game. This is just feels way more than GTA on horses.
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Why is that? Is there something wrong with a man riding in a train?
It's a damn shame that the OST doesn't have the opening piano chords.
The opening absolutely sold the game for me.
Speaking of Amazon orders, has anyone gotten the $20 credit yet? I got my golden guns e-mail a couple days ago, and noticed a slip in the box with the code as well. No sign of the credit yet, though. I know it can take up to 10 days, but was curious if anyone got their credit yet.
Here is a little bug/glitch I found during my first day of playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq11GBUOye0&feature=player_embedded
http://dailymonsters.blogspot.com
Default horse was the horse with no name.
Got Kentucky Saddler from the Bonnie mission, named Serenity. It dies to a Bandito attack much later.
Replacement horse is Patches, ugly as shit painted horse. I shoot it in the head a few game days later.
Patches is replaced by Red, who is kinda reddish brownish. Red survives until I get...
Blondie, another Saddler. Blondie dies when I take a wrong turn while trying to bring a $600 dollar bounty back alive, and is shot out form under me by the bounty's gang as I am cornered atop a mountain.
Blondie is replaced very shortly by Tuco, another saddler, who has just now been exchanged for Angel Eyes, and American Standardbred.
I'm a fucking dork.
99.6% complete argghh
Horrendous? [Y/N]
There is no one to talk too, there is no quest line, just go, shoot, gain exp.
There had better be some goddamn way to tell what I'm missing.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
What do you have left?
I'm around 95% now. But I don't know if I'll be able to get 100% because I didn't do "I Know You" stranger quest before I beat the game, and now it's apparently impossible to do it after.
I imagine what he was specifically talking about (as an American Indian) was the discussion between the preacher and the young woman about Manifest Destiny and the civilizing of the "savage peoples of the West," which holds the implication that the American Indians didn't already have a civilization which just happened to be different from what European immigrants considered civilization. Which actually is the sort of thing Americans believed at the time (it's the progenitor of the idea of American Exceptionalism that gets dusted off every couple years during election years and which always infuriates pretty much everyone else in the world).
One of the criticisms you could potentially level at the game would be that they never explore the contrast between 19th century stereotypes of the American Indians versus what their cultures and communities were actually like. Which is fine, I guess; this game's trying to be more "A Fistful of Dollars" than "Dances with Wolves." But the game's really relying on the player's familiarity with American history in order to spot the subtleties in that conversation (and a lot of others).
Rockstar Social Club. There's literally a big honking map with all the places in the game marked, telling you whether or not you've found them yet.
Seriously. Rockstar Social Club. Join it. It will answer every single question you have about the game. It will tell you EXACTLY what you have left to do to get 100%.
Wildcat
SO I hum it to myself whenever attacked.