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The best way to steal a web domain name?

Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in itRegistered User regular
edited May 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Or more to the point, steal it back. :lol:
A little while back, the small company I work for changed it's name. However, due to the length of time we operated under the old one, and how prominent we were in our industry, a lot of our customers still remember or think about us as our old name. Unfortunately, some one decided that with the new name, we no longer needed to keep the old website, and let our registration expire, and it was almost immediately poached (whether by a competitor trying to make us look bad, or one of those domain-pounce douche companies, we don't know)

So a lot of older customers still try and look us up by our old website and are now greeted by a whole lot of cock. Whole lot of. Occasionally calls include laughing comments of, 'you guys have _really_ been expanding your fields of expertise,' and asking about if those are added benefits to our engineering services.

We have made no attempts to contact the new owners, or get the domain back (this isn't a big enough problem that we're willing to pay ransom for it), so my thought is that it's quite possible they themselves will not be on the ball with holding domain ownership, thinking that we don't care about it, and let it lapse, at which point I want to grab it back. I've never poached a domain before, so I don't exactly know how to do this. The WhoIs lookup has a 'acquire this domain' button, but I haven't clicked it, just in case, because I don't want the poachers to have any clue that there's interest in regaining ownership.

TL : DR: Website got poached, how do I poach it back if poacher's registration expires.

And what does 'Registrar Status: clientTransferProhibited' mean on the WhoIs lookup?

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yes, which is why I don't want to be bothered with it. Via WhoIs, I know when their registration expires, and if it does, even for an hour, I want to do the exact same back to them. That's what I want to know the best way how to do.

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  • tempstemps Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Some registrars have services that will try and grab a domain as soon as it is available.

    Are you sure someone poached it and not just the registrars placeholder site or something.. I know when I let a site expire I just had to give a call to my registrar to get it back.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Well, generally, male genitalia don't get posted on registrar placeholder sites.

    Other than that, most domain registrars offer similar domain sniping tools.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The sheer amount of penis and other content makes it quite clear its not a placeholder, and is why we think a competitor might be behind it. There's no reason why that type of site would be so interested in our domain, and no link that would make our name any sort of association with their content. If we'd been Berke Davidson Solonoids & Machinery, then having a hardcore BDSM site pounce our bdsm.com domain would've made some sort of sense, but I was given authorization to plumb the depths of urban dictionary and /b/ to make sure this wasn't the case, but no, aside from us, our domain acronym has no other meaning.

    I'm thinking that a year or so down the road when their registration expires, if no action has been taken to get it back, it might not be worth their interest to keep registered, so are their sniping tools I can employ to nab it back? This is irksome, and less than ideal but it's not actually causing any sort of lasting harm (we hope - there could be a big puritanical demographic in the industry that we didn't know about, and still don't know about because they take one look at the old site and immediately blacklist us from all contact).

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  • NylonathetepNylonathetep Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    How about an advertising campaign or at least spam your client email list that you've changed from website www.past.com to Www.current.com.

    Seriously your tech department should have done a better job planning the website transition. i.e. own both old sites and new websites for a month where your old sites will have nothing but a link redirecting to your new websites.

    FYI I'm curious to know what your old domain name is.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Check out registercom and networksolutions.com, they both offer the service I believe.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Download http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Spade_%28software%29

    Then do the WHOIS lookup in it.

    And maybe get lucky and do a tracert on the domain, then do a tracert on your competitors sites, and see if they lead to the same place.

    That's how ya do it.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Seriously your tech department should have done a better job planning the website transition
    Could've, should've, might've, didn't. This also actually happened about a year or so back, just no one's tried to do anything until I learned about it now.
    FYI I'm curious to know what your old domain name is.
    I've been cagey about saying the name or giving up too much information just in case there is an antagonistic human agency behind this who might have enough of an interest to spend a little time with google. The acronym of our name has no meaning aside from ours, so any use of it would probably stick around. The new site itself isn't anything special, nor even particularly hardcore, except in the context of when are customers are typing in the URL, I'm pretty sure they were expecting to see an entirely different set of tools.

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  • mspencermspencer PAX [ENFORCER] Council Bluffs, IARegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Instead of traceroute, get the IP and go to www.arin.net and do an ARIN whois lookup on the IP. That'll tell you the names of the various agencies that own the IP allocation, and how large each allocation is.

    Note that ARIN might redirect to RIPE if it's European, APNIC if it's Asia/Pacific, AFRINIC, etc. Just go to those sites and do the same sort of whois.

    Also if you post the domain name, some forumer might take it upon themselves to pay the registration fee for the current owners for the next few years. Don't do it.

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  • GeodGeod swim, swim, hungryRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, as said, this is a lengthy procedure to do if you're waiting on them to release the domain.

    Recommended reading:
    http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/03/how-to-snatch-an-expiring-domain

    It's old, but still good info, and fairly accurate. Basically, the date on the WHOIS isn't exactly accurate, you have to wait around 75 days longer, and then you go into a phase of other people possibly trying to grab the domain at the same time as you if it's a particularly good one. I used Snapnames.com to successfully grab a domain after it expired - though I did have to go through auction with another guy who tried to grab it too.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2010
    If you pm me the domain I might be able to give you some insight into why the domain was picked up after it expired. Might be able to help determine if it is likely an attempt to damage your brand or whether it's jut someone exploiting the domain value.

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