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Let's Play Victoria: Damn Yanquis

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Also: what are we learning, what's our literacy rate, and how quickly are we generating research points? Oh, and I forget if we have any promotable cultures besides Mexican.
    Right, I knew I forgot something. We have a literacy rate of 12.6 percent, are generating .49 research points per month, and are currently researching practical steam engine. Our only national culture is Mexican, and I don't think that we can gain any others, so we can only promote the other half of our population if a party with full citizenship takes power.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I suppose the most important thing then is: do we have Freedom of Trade?

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I suppose the most important thing then is: do we have Freedom of Trade?
    Nope.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Oh, then my capitalists aren't terribly useful. Minor revision in the official stance of the Partido Union pan-Hispanico: Focus all research on the acquisition of Freedom of Trade so that we can create glorious factories to power our eventual conquest of all of Spanish speaking North America.

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  • dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Well, shoot, I didn't realize that all those indian tribes counted as 'minorities'. Is there a way to grant full citizenships to the indian tribes while denying it to the conquered yanquis? That seems to be more in line with the PPC's agenda.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    You'd want to change the PPC's views on minorities to Full Citizenship. You can always change again later when we conquer some Yanquis.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    What is this traitorous talk? We beat them and reclaim most of our land, but not all? Seize Austin by force!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    What is this traitorous talk? We beat them and reclaim most of our land, but not all? Seize Austin by force!

    A wise man doesn't fight the Yanquis until they're distracted by their sectional rivalries.

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  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Only the communist party will offer the real changes needed to secure Mexico's future! Any victory against the Yanquis will be fleeting without rapid state-planned modernisation, and only the CPM will fully integrate our conquered subjects!

    Finally, we support the creation of an autonomous Texan Socialist Republic.

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  • dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    You'd want to change the PPC's views on minorities to Full Citizenship. You can always change again later when we conquer some Yanquis.

    I apologize to all our loyal peasant supporters, the party registration forms were confusing to a simple peasant like myself. The clergy and aristocracy led us to believe that minority rights meant siding with the yanqui imperialists and bourgoius europeans; we support full citizenship for Mexico's native minorities. If it isn't too late to change that... if it is too late... than the aristos have won again, alas.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I PM'd our glorious leader about such things, in case I want to reform the PUPH at a later date and he confirmed that clerical errors and reforms are allowed.

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  • JaramrJaramr Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Viva Partido Comunista Mexicano! The Internationale unites the human race!

    I agree with the creation of the Texan Socialist Republic, we shall spread our mustaches equally among their oppressed masses.

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  • StantzStantz Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I almost went with liberal just on the strength of the les mis reference, but Viva Partido Union pan-Hispanico all the way to the bank!

    let's make some money, and then use that money to buy nice things!

    YEAH!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mexico apparently celebrates the future Memorial Day? :P

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, sorry about the delay, I meant to write the update yesterday, but then my Windows partition caught the plague and I spent all day burning it down so that a healthy Windows installation could be incarnated in its place, so to speak. The update should be up soon.

    Edit: Oh, and I changed the citizenship stance for your pary dojango.

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Send Lawyers, Guns and Money

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X827MG-ugHE

    Dieciocho de diciembre, 1838

    Some good news and some bad news in this installment, but first, the election results:

    Partido Centralista wins in a landslide! What a great day for democracy!
    I figured that going with any other party would probably be suicide, as our population is overwhelmingly conservative. Socialist and Communist POPs (think workers in Civilization, but with an identity including nationality, ideology, and bunch of other stuff) in particular don't start spawning until 1848 (which is stupid IMO), so unfortunately the PPC and the Comunistas will probably have to wait til then to be a real contender.

    Anyways, we're a Presidential Dictatorship, things like this happen. If/when we get a real democracy and our population hopefully becomes more ideologically diverse, I'll be sure to honor election results.

    Alright, first the good news: we officially have a bigger army than the Yanquis. Check it out:

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    We now have two more generals to lead our armies:

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    And 16 reserve divisions to call upon in a war. Which brings me to the bad news:
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    Those divisions (or more precisely, the small arms and canned foods needed to create them) didn't come cheaply, and now we're in quite a bit of debt. Enough debt that almost half of our budget surplus is used to pay them off (and this is after it's been paid down a bit). Those damn Yanquis didn't help either:

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    In other bad news, the Yucatan seceded along with 400,000 (out of 7,000,000) of our citizens. I was prepared to use military force to keep them in the nation, but we aren't at war with them and the prestige hit to declare war (which is in the nineties) isn't worth it. Prestige in Victoria mainly affects how easy goods are to buy on the world market, which isn't incredibly important, but its important enough that we should be careful with it. Santa Ana should compel them to join with us again soon anyways.

    As far as our northern secessionist movement goes, we agreed to let them borrow Austin after thoroughly humiliating them. Our peace treaty with them will expire in 1841, which brings me to our first dilemma. The USA has guaranteed Texas' independence, which means if we go to war with them again they will definitely declare war on us. As noted previously, I've been building up the military in preparation, and would like to expand our reserves by at least another eight divisions and recruit these guys (early game Cavalry with Cuirassiers are basically the panzers of Victoria):
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    Which will obviously put us in a lot more debt. Not nearly enough to bankrupt us, but enough that we will either have to get some else to pay them off out of the kindness of their hearts (wink wink) or put all of our meager surplus into paying it down for quite some time. We could probably win a war with the US with our current army, but it would be tough, expensive, and slow-going. We could postpone the war until *checks Wikipedia* 1846 or so, but we probably want a war early when we have an advantage rather than later when the US will have bigger tech advantage and probably a bigger army.

    Other stuff that happened:

    • The USA admitted Michigan... as a slave state.

    • We stared down the French:

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    Insert French joke here.

    • We struck some gold. Should help pay off the bills, and attract immigrants when we become a liberal democracy.

    • We funded el Banco de Avio to help us industrialize, and are already seeing some results

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    • We ran out of coal and wheat and now have to import them. The former isn't much of a surprise, after all I've been a coal miner all my life and never heard of no Mexicanos with blue tattoos on the side of their heads.

    That was a terrible and untrue segue

    I don't think I've ever seen a non-industrialized country run out of wheat in Victoria though.

    • Our southern neighbors, the USCA has started to slowly disintegrate.

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    I'm tempted to heed the words of the opposition PUPH and seize modern day Guatemala. The USCA has a military score of zero, so the only opposition we'd face would be from rebels, but we'd take a pretty big prestige hit. We'd get a lot of it back from winning the war, but probably not all. We'd also risk attack from the Yanquis, though I'd bet that they wouldn't intervene. So what do you guys think, should we attack the USCA or not? Should we build up our army further even if it means more debt? And should we go to war with the US of A ASAP or wait for them to declare war on us?

    • If there's a consensus that we should change one of these laws, I'll change it:
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    • Forgot to mention that an opportunity to research freedom of trade has still not come up and we are currently researching mechanical production.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Attack! And expand the military.

    Tech update?

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well, if they have 0 military score, surely we could keep most of our forces up north on the watch for Yanqui agression? Viva la Mexico, viva las Americanes!

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Attack! And expand the military.

    Tech update?
    Right I forgot, added it to the end of the update.

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  • VicVic Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I agree, attack the weaker target to the south. It seems like a worthwhile land grab, and a good warmup for the big conflict with the cursed yankees.

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  • SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I support attacking the south.

    Since I can't find a better thread for this i was wondering if anyone would know why victoria revolutions would crash when loading the graphics at startup. I wanted to try playing it again but it just keeps crashing.

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  • dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    figured that going with any other party would probably be suicide, as our population is overwhelmingly conservative. Socialist and Communist POPs (think workers in Civilization, but with an identity including nationality, ideology, and bunch of other stuff) in particular don't start spawning until 1848 (which is stupid IMO), so unfortunately the PPC and the Comunistas will probably have to wait til then to be a real contender.

    Well, the commie manifesto wasn't written until 1848, so peasant malcontents weren't labelled socialists or whatever, they were mainly just ridden down with dragoons.

    Speaking of which, the PPC is neutral as to whether to go to war with UPCA or Texas, as long as the sons of the aristorcracy lead the charge on their fine horses, sabres raised high.

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  • ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    If we can manage a quick war in the south then hopefully we should be safe from US opportunism.

    I would prefer a war against the US sooner rather than later (ie before they have a chance to build a significant miltary). Reclaming and holding texas should be a priority and a weak / humiliated US is far less likely to intervene.

    Do we have any friends, incidentally? If we do end up fighting a defensive war having someone to back us up might be nice.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Let us liberate eventual Guatemala for our eventual Socialist utopia!

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    when this finishes, make sure you hold onto the save so you can continue in HoI 2.

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  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    We must crush the capitalist Yanqui slime while we have the chance! The USCA will always be ready to join the great communist homeland!

    Regarding policy:

    Universal Suffrage
    Public Meetings
    Free Press
    Free Parties
    Only Socialist

    It is a crime that capitalist agitators are allowed to undermine the workers' struggle while they are left with no means of redress!

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Zedar wrote: »
    Do we have any friends, incidentally? If we do end up fighting a defensive war having someone to back us up might be nice.
    Right, I knew I forgot something else. I've been neglecting diplomacy so far; I'm planning to start sucking up to the UK as they by far make the most sense for us to suck up to (they have a border with both ourselves and the US, and are obviously very powerful), though if you guys are all virulent anglophobes or something we can suck up to someone else I suppose. I would prefer to stop short of an alliance with them as Victoria is much smarter about choosing which partner in an alliance is in charge of peace negotiations than many Paradox games. To make a long story short, we might occupy the half the US only to have our allies declare peace in return for the US giving them Portland, ME.

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  • ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    No no, UK was going to be my suggestion. The US might be more cautious if it is surrounded by enemies. A defensive pact would be the way to go IMO. I don't think anyone here really *wants* to take any land from the US anyway if we opt for a full alliance.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Psh, the so called Louisiana Purchase was originally Hispanic land! As well as our neglected brothers in Florida. This cannot stand!

    Fortunately, the United Kingdom did not take any of this land for themselves, so they would make a fine ally. The dastardly French on the other hand will never be acceptable to the PUPH. Additionally, our former oppressors still control the island of Cuba, which must at some point be liberated and at the very least turned into a Mexican satellite.

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  • SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hey Mr. Povondra where can I find that VIP mod?

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  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    The United Kingdom represents the best of a bad bunch; but we must not give in to simple racism; the oppressed masses in all the USA are deserving of liberation.

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Hey Mr. Povondra where can I find that VIP mod?
    Here.

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  • JaramrJaramr Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhkbJ_OMCQ&feature=related

    The war with the USCA will go toward the greater goal of the Unification of Humanity in the Socialist World Republic!

    We must also have no oppression in our trade unions, Only Socialist trade unions should be allowed.

    I also support the defensive pact with the UK, we shall spread our mustaches equally among the British peoples!

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  • ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    No, trade unions should remain banned. I'm also in favour of banning public meetings, lest it lead to socialist mobs.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    We need freer press rights so that our soon to exist capitalists can create PUPH propaganda papers! Until then, we'll let you censor us, as we are government worshipping stooges, as long as you promise us factories and conquest.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    We also need more updates! :P

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  • Mr. PovondraMr. Povondra Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, I apologize (again) for the wait. I've been busy this week. It should be up soon; in the meantime, here's a preview:
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Viva Mexico!

    Of course, border with the UK is concerning. We either need to like... buy Belize or suck up to them, a lot.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Wait... I don't understand that map. Has Mexico (green) taken over most of US (dark blue) with Texas (red) remainng as a tiny state? Who are light blue, dark green, and the browns?

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    To answer your question, ask yourself: Who owned those parts of north america at this time in history?

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