[Red Dead Redemption] Top hats are for Abe Lincoln, Daniel Day-Lewis, and cougars.

Ceno

***AVAILABLE NOW***

Dear Loyal Customer,

We are thinking about making an open-world western in the vein of our smash hit Grand Theft Auto IV. How far would you like us to take this shit?

a) To the max.
b) To the extreme.
c) To the X-treme.
d) To the next level.
e) To eleven.
f) All of the above.

Lovingly,
Rockstar

LAUNCH TRAILER (NEW 5/13)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NUjbORZueU

Other trailers behind the spoiler:

REVOLUTION (NEW 5/7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHkXbw9wY-I

COMPETITIVE MULTIPLAYER (NEW 4/22)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImwR0apkuzA

FREE ROAM MULTIPLAYER (NEW 4/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA9wSxebZmA

LIFE IN THE WEST, PART II (NEW 4/1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GXEqv8dxLg

GENTLEMEN & VAGABONDS (NEW 3/25)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6fbil-esa4

LIFE IN THE WEST (NEW 3/17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCY0G86SKk

THE WOMEN (NEW 2/24)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMuJFta0_U

THE LAW (NEW 2/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Go2wm1w8RY

WEAPONS & DEATH (NEW 1/28)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkHGEJXF-1M

GAMEPLAY INTRODUCTION TRAILER (NEW 12/16)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1mb723fuYg

MY NAME IS JOHN MARSTON (NEW 12/1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sU0PwzdMiY

This thread is about Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption, the open-world western that uses an upgraded version of GTAIV's Rage/Euphoria engine. Here is a link to the official website. It will be available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. No PC version is currently planned. Let the discussion of western awesomeness commence.

REVIEWS
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/reddeadredemption

PRE-ORDER BONUSES

Gamestop - Deadly Assassin outfit (reduces cooldown on Dead Eye)
Amazon - Golden Guns pack + $20 gift card toward future Amazon purchase
Best Buy - War Horse (faster + increased damage resistance)
Game Crazy - Mini-guide
Target - $5 gift card
Walmart - $10 gift card

MULTIPLAYER
Want to rope steer with fellow PA forum dwellers? The Xbox 360 metatag AFistfulofWangs is now full, but local cowpoke Crappy Jack has made a second to accomodate the need. Try adding AFewWangsMore.

By popular demand, I will try to keep an updated list of Playstation Network gamertags below. Please PM me your PSN username if you wish to be included.

PA Name / PSN Tag
Mr Obersmith / Obersmith
Jean Claude Van Calm / Grimmsy-
Shorn Scrotum Man / sojakfa
Capt Howdy / KayleSolo
Dashui / Vacorsis
NovembersChopin / NovembersChopin
Judas / Judas Iago
Pookiepoo / Pookie-san
Spectrum / MissGardenia
Lucascraft / Lucascraft
Skeezicks / Skeezicks
Schwhat / Schwhat
Coltaine / Flard
cooljammer00 / JohnDarc
Wishpig / MassiveHugAttack
Brock / Brockimus
Lehman / LehmanCM
Dr_Keenbean / Dr_Keenbean
Mostlyjoe13 / Mostlyjoe
MarioG / MarioGuzman
TehSloth / TehSloth
Cobell / Cobell
dobilay / dobilay
triath / advian
Salboacha / Salboacha
GnomeTank / GnomeTank
Fluxcap / Haul_N_Oats
badpoet / badpoet
KidDynamite / Ninjaforhire
wanthony / Grie
blikbok / blikbok
YamiNoSenshi / YamiNoSenshi
Kitantho / Kitantho
Evyl / AncientEvyl
Fluffy, Our Beloved Flopsy Bunny Friend / Reo_Bravo
Vanderbrent / Vanderbrent
Rubycat / Rubycat3
Doctor Fink / Doctor_Fink
Grunjin / Grunjin
Mightyhog / AgreeingMachine
Killerkabuto / thekillerkabuto
Hayt / Old_Cthulhu
deveric / deveric

Multiplayer is based in a free-roaming atmosphere, wherein the entirety of the map is available for you and your posse to do various activities, like hunt, take out gang hideouts, etc. See the videoS above for a more detailed look at both the free-roam and competitive multiplayer modes.

CO-OP DLC REVEALED

In addition to the deep single player campaign and robust online multiplayer components of Red Dead Redemption, we are also very happy to finally reveal the game’s co-op mode, which will be released FREE in June simultaneously for both consoles via Xbox LIVE® and PlayStation®Network, respectively.

The Outlaws to the End Co-Op Mission Pack will feature six all-new cooperative multiplayer missions to play with 2-4 players. This will be a completely free download that we will have ready for you to download and play at some time in June.

These six explosive and epic missions will play out across the game world, including:

“Walton’s Gold”
Walton’s Gang have taken control of a mining camp rich with gold. Fight through the camp and load your mine cart with as much gold as you can carry and get out as fast as you can – Walton’s boys have rigged the place to blow!

“The River”
Ride a raft down river, taking out rebel encampments along the way until you reach the rebel stronghold of Nosalida and a final epic battle for the town’s massive weapons caches. Watch out for Gatling gun-equipped enemy rafts.

“Ammunition”
The Mexican Army has the town of Tesoro Azul under siege. Storm the gates under heavy cannon, Gatling gun and sniper fire to destroy the Mexican artillery placements.

Plus three more missions to be revealed in detail soon.

The Outlaws to the End Co-Op Mission Pack will also yield additional multiplayer XP rewards, and brand new Achievements/Trophies to unlock.

Stay tuned for much more information – as well as release information and pricing on two further downloadable content updates, which we plan to release over the summer. Both of them will also be available simultaneously for both consoles.

ACHIEVEMENTS
http://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption/features/achievements

Austin Overpowered
Complete Twin Rocks, Pike's Basin, and Gaptooth Breach Hideouts in Single Player.

Bearly Legal
Kill and skin 18 grizzly bears.

Buckin' Awesome
Break the Kentucky Saddler, the American Standardbred, and the Hungarian Half-bred.

Bullseye
Get 250 headshots in any game mode.

Clemency Pays
Capture a bounty alive.

Evil Spirits
Complete Tumbeweed and Tesoro Azul Hideouts in Single Player.

Exquisite Taste
Purchase a rare weapon from a gunsmith.

Fightin' Around the World
Knock someone out in melee in every saloon in the game in Single Player.

Friends in High Places
Use a Pardon Letter with more than $5,000 Bounty in Single Player.

Frontiersman
Obtain Legendary rank in any Single Player Ambient Challenge.

Go Team
Be on the winning team for four consecutive victories in any team based game in public matches

Gold Medal
Earn a Gold Medal Rank for a combat mission in Single Player.

Have Gun Will Travel
Complete all Hideouts in a single public Free Roam session

He Cleans Up Well!
Obtain the Elegant Suit.

High Roller
Win over 2,000 chips in a hand of Poker or Blackjack.

Hit the Trail
Get from Blackwater to Escalera before sundown in a public Free Roam session

How the West Was Won
Reach the top rank for multiplayer experience.

In a Hail of Bullets
Kill 500 enemies with any pistol or revolver in any game mode.

Instinto Asesino
Complete Fort Mercer and Nosalida Hideouts in Single Player.

Long Arm of Marston
Kill 500 enemies with any rifle, repeater, or shotgun in any game mode.

Man of Honor / Chivalry's Dead
Attain highest Fame rank and either highest Honor rank or lowest Honor rank.

More than a Fistful
Earn $10,000 in Single Player.

Most Wanted
Maintain a max wanted level for 10 minutes and escape alive in a public Free Roam session.

Mowing Them Down
Kill 500 enemies with a mounted weapon in any game mode.

No Dice
Complete a game of Liar's Dice without losing a single die.

People are Still Strange
Complete 15 tasks for Strangers.

Posse Up!
Create a posse and get the maximum number of members

Red Dead Rockstar
Kill a Rockstar or someone with this achievement in a public multiplayer match.

Redeemed
Attain 100% in the Single Player Game Completion stat.

Slow on the Draw
Get 10 assists in a single Hideout in a public Free Roam session

Strange Things are Afoot
Complete a task for a Stranger.

The Gunslinger
Get a headshot while in Expert Mode in Single Player.

The Quick and everyone else…
Be the top scoring player in any three consecutive FFA games in public matches

Unnatural Selection
Kill one of every animal species in the game in any game mode.

What About Hand Grenades?
Get a ringer in a game of Horseshoes in any game mode.

Plus 13 secret achievements yet to be revealed.

ShimSham

Blue-dotting this.

Also, despite the fact that I've played the hell out of this, I still don't know what the golden guns preorder does.

So what do they do? Besides, be gold.

Suriko

I have played this.

It is a fun game.

Control scheme is total ass though on PS3. God I wish anything could be remapped.

tofu

Amazon says my copy should get here in a couple days, looking forward to it now that Alan Wake is over.

Wet Bandit

Damn cougars.

Corehealer

ShimSham wrote: »

Blue-dotting this.

Also, despite the fact that I've played the hell out of this, I still don't know what the golden guns preorder does.

So what do they do? Besides, be gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSoh6tntgJo

coutts

Cougars are my least favorite animals ever.

-Loki-

Suriko wrote: »

I have played this.

It is a fun game.

Control scheme is total ass though on PS3. God I wish anything could be remapped.

Aside from shooting being on the mushy triggers (which I agree is ass), what's wrong with the control setup?

ShimSham

Corehealer wrote: »

ShimSham wrote: »

Blue-dotting this.

Also, despite the fact that I've played the hell out of this, I still don't know what the golden guns preorder does.

So what do they do? Besides, be gold.

VIDEO

Well that's cool I suppose. Thanks.

PolloDiablo

I hate that every character is a caricature or a stereotype. I would love to play a Western game written by someone who can write.

GalagaGalaxian

Cougar picture should be at the top of the OP. :P

Wet Bandit

coutts wrote: »

Cougars are my least favorite animals ever.

I've kinda got a bone to pick with this game, because cougars are one of my favorite animals, and this game's really giving them a bum deal.

If the next Red Dead turns snow leopards into godless cowboy killing machines, I'm drawing the line.

The Dude With Herpes

I will be logging into solo shortly.

Feel free to toss me an invite if someone is doing some free roaming.

Rubycat

Mushy triggers are probably the worst part (how many times can L2 flick on and off?... oh my god, trying to drag anyone with the Lasso is hell)

I think this is standard on both versions but Camera controls mess me up, I aim the stick up or down for aiming up and down, but in other games I also have the Camera inverted.. here both are stuck to the same

Beezel

So how about that ps3 glitch that prevents you from getting the last bounty needed for deadly assassin outfit?

Wet Bandit

PolloDiablo wrote: »

I hate that every character is a caricature or a stereotype. I would love to play a Western game written by someone who can write.

That's my biggest beef in the game. The characterization at times is very good, and then at times it's very bad. And because it's very good at times, that makes the very bad times really stand out. I've only just gotten to Mexico, and I can already think of four characters in the game that I've never met anyone like in real life. Like you said, they're caricatures, and they just seem really out of place alongside characters like Bonnie or the marshal.

Dashui

Suriko wrote: »

I have played this.

It is a fun game.

Control scheme is total ass though on PS3. God I wish anything could be remapped.

Rubycat wrote:

Mushy triggers are probably the worst part (how many times can L2 flick on and off?... oh my god, trying to drag anyone with the Lasso is hell)

http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Dual-Triggers-Playstation-3/dp/B001IAOEXU

Problem solved.

I have these. They're multitudes better than the base triggers.

ShimSham

PolloDiablo wrote: »

I hate that every character is a caricature or a stereotype. I would love to play a Western game written by someone who can write.

Rockstar games are nothing but stereotyped characters. A lot of those characters are still great characters, but still.

-Loki-

Rubycat wrote: »

Mushy triggers are probably the worst part (how many times can L2 flick on and off?... oh my god, trying to drag anyone with the Lasso is hell)

I think you need a new controller. I haven't had my triggers flick on and off at all.

Beezel

most of the great westerns I've ever seen have been nothing but caricatures and stereotypes. It's like a trope of the genre or something. The ones that break out of that mold you can probably count on one hand and no, Unforgiven isn't one of them.

override367

Finally got the damn knife cougars challenge when I figured out I could joust them with my knife

-Loki-

Anyway, I have a horse I like - the Hungarian Half-Bred. If I buy a horse deed, does that let me respawn one without having to go hunt one down and break it in again? And does the deed stay there after use? I don't want to hunt on of these things down every time I get mauled by a velicicougar.

manwiththemachinegun

I think that's a little simplistic. I'd be disapointed as hell if there was no, "Stinking Badger!" Bandito for example. I thought Rockstar did a good job mixing things up this time, story spoilers.

For example, the Noble Savage gets his brains blown out without a second thought, and the sniviling coward MacDougal survives.

Evil Multifarious

if my favourite animal were turned into a terrifying murderbeast by a video game, i would be pretty entertained

also people who wonder how duels work:

LT draws your gun immediately
Tilting your right stick moves your hand closer to the gun and might make the other guy draw first (making him less accurate)
If he draws first, the screen will say DRAW and you should hit LT to get your gun out

At this point, you have to move your reticle to where you want to shoot, mark those locations (up to the number of bullets you have) with RT and, if you pick the right locations, fill up your bar in the bottom right before the enemy does.

The reticle will pulse - when it's small and white is the most accurate time to hit RT and put a mark on. When it's red, it's less accurate.

If you drew first, you'll be less accurate, so each mark will fill up the meter a bit less.

More vital areas fill up the meter more quickly. You can also be dramatic and shoot the guy's gun or hat to instantly fill the meter, leaving them alive, or go for a one-shot kill to the head or (rumored) heart.

King Riptor

PolloDiablo wrote: »

I hate that every character is a caricature or a stereotype. I would love to play a Western game written by someone who can write.

It's a rockstar game and a Western that pretty much demands the characters all fall under Stereotype or Caricature.

Fats

-Loki- wrote: »

Anyway, I have a horse I like - the Hungarian Half-Bred. If I buy a horse deed, does that let me respawn one without having to go hunt one down and break it in again? And does the deed stay there after use? I don't want to hunt on of these things down every time I get mauled by a velicicougar.

Yes and yes.

-Loki-

Oh sweet awesomesauce. Buying a horse deed ASAP.

mspencer

Cougar picture for the OP? Naw. Velociraptor cougar photoshop for the OP.

Also next game they totally need some form of falconry represented. Playable, not playable, just throw it in there somewhere.

Evil Multifarious

if you want a realistic western game, you are essentially asking for a "crushing poverty, petty violent crime, and brutal rape" simulator

Zilla360

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

Personally I like to drag them to death, or drag them in front of a pack of wolves.

Or if the game is feeling particularly evil, wolves will already be there, just after you whistle - to rip them apart.

Couldn't stop grinning when that happened.

Also has anyone else seen packs of them (not just wolves?) go after prey? I saw a pack working together to take down a goat, they even hang around after the kill and start eating it.

-Loki-

Man, I ran past a lawman who had 2 guys escape. I put 2 loads of buckshot into one guys back, lassoed the other guy, and couldn't be bothered dismounting to hogtie him. So I dragged him back to the lawman. What does he do? Shoots the dude in the head as I was dragging him. Some lawman.

ShimSham

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

if you want a realistic western game,

Evil Multifarious

i actually had a pack of wolves come after me earlier tonight

i shot a couple and they turned and ran, which was pretty excellent. much more convincing animal behaviour.

coutts

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

i actually had a pack of wolves come after me earlier tonight

i shot a couple and they turned and ran, which was pretty excellent. much more convincing animal behaviour.

Whenever I do that they come back in larger numbers.

The only animal I feel bad about killing so far is the armadillo, no real reason behind it I just do.

mynameisguido

I think most of the characters are fine, but I feel like there is a lot of mission padding in this game. Like in the first act of the game

dealing with those three guys to get all the components together felt pretty arbitrary

.

And in the second act

having to work for the government dudes when it was pretty obvious they were going to turn on you was pretty annoying, especially when you were given the next "link" in the rebel story but still had to do those missions "just because"

And in the third act

it's so damn obvious that none of the piddly little plans are going to work and you're going to have a gigantic knock down drag out fight with Dutch that MacDougal is a complete waste of time, ultimately.

And in the last act of the game

making you do all those tutorial-like missions just made it so obvious that something tragic was going to happen, that I just wanted to blast through them to find out what tragedy would befall the family. And even if they wanted to give some character interaction and some space before the inevitable tragedy happens, there were too too many missions, ultimately

All that extra, easily trimmable fat is likely the reason I'll never replay the game. Well, that and the fact that there are a couple of missions in this game that are terrible. Especially one towards the end.

The second gatling gun part of the assault on Dutch's base, where you have to hit all those dudes with the gatling gun who are about to throw dynamite at you is so damn annoying. I actually ended up skipping it (which I'm so fucking glad you can do, btw).

Beezel

Zilla360 wrote: »

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

Personally I like to drag them to death, or drag them in front of a pack of wolves.

Or if the game is feeling particularly evil, wolves will already be there, just after you whistle - to rip them apart.

Couldn't stop grinning when that happened.

Also has anyone else seen packs of them (not just wolves?) go after prey? I saw a pack working together to take down a goat, they even hang around after the kill and start eating it.

I personally think the animal AI is better than the human enemy AI

Zilla360

'Have Gun Will Travel' was much harder to get than it needed to be.

Bunch of griefing pubbies ('XxXXJeRkFaCeXxX' types etc) jerks wouldn't let us leave Fort Mercer, wasted a whole half-hour before getting to the last hideout. It's like a universal law of Xbox Live that the more X's you have in your gamertag, the bigger the douchebag you are.

PolloDiablo

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

if you want a realistic western game, you are essentially asking for a "crushing poverty, petty violent crime, and brutal rape" simulator

I don't want realistic, I just want well written. And I know Rockstar traditionally is not precisely a bastion of skillful writing, but a guy can dream, can't he?

Stabbity Style

Man, I have yet to unlock any outfit more awesome than the poncho, though it appears that there's an outline for some other outfit with a poncho, which leaves me excited.

Darmak

Zilla360 wrote: »

'Have Gun Will Travel' was much harder to get than it needed to be.

Bunch of griefing pubbies ('XxXXJeRkFaCeXxX' types etc) jerks wouldn't let us leave Fort Mercer, wasted a whole half-hour before getting to the last hideout. It's like a universal law of Xbox Live that the more X's you have in your gamertag, the bigger the douchebag you are.

I got around that problem by traveling with a large posse. We took down Fort Mercer while dealing with asshole pubbies, then repeatedly spawn killed the pubbies and votekicked them after we got tired of it. Taught em not to fuck with us.

Suriko

-Loki- wrote: »

Suriko wrote: »

I have played this.

It is a fun game.

Control scheme is total ass though on PS3. God I wish anything could be remapped.

Aside from shooting being on the mushy triggers (which I agree is ass), what's wrong with the control setup?

Shooting, as you mention, but also running (in fact switch the keys around and that would be enough to help considerably). I also keep accidentaly crouching instead of just running, and pressing the right stick down to trigger dead-eye feels awkward.

I fully realise a large part of this is just due to the fact that I'm really not used to playing shooters with a controller, but there's really no reason not to let the user remap functions to whatever suits them best.